Have any ANANDers been slapped with RIAA subpoenas yet?

[rubix]

yeah but it was in 1997

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: ness1469
Uhh, you do understand that by sharing the files you are giving anyone who uses KaZaa permission to access your files, right?

Uhhhh...you do understand that's the whole foundation of the way KaZaa works, right?

That's why I like FTP servers and fservs. Because of the announcement text you can have listed when people connect you can shield yourself from having your file list used for subpoenas, indictments and any other manner of legal actions.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: dman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just use Kazaa Lite 2.4.0 that has built in RIAA protection. Not that hard folks.

All that does is block a certain list of ip/or users from accessing your files. Don't think they could just have their lawyers (using a non-banned IP) get your list instead?

Only if they have a previous arrangement with the ISP sys admins to keep logs of connection activity that will hold up in court, or have some form of certified recording method. While it may be easier for the RIAA to get subpoenas for connection logs they do have to have some proof, rather than just someone's word. Right now the IPs they're using are either operated by the RIAA or have agreements with them for the purposes of aquiring activity logs, and as these facts are publicly available it's easy to figure out which IPs to block.

SO, wheres the IP list to block??

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: dman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just use Kazaa Lite 2.4.0 that has built in RIAA protection. Not that hard folks.

All that does is block a certain list of ip/or users from accessing your files. Don't think they could just have their lawyers (using a non-banned IP) get your list instead?

Only if they have a previous arrangement with the ISP sys admins to keep logs of connection activity that will hold up in court, or have some form of certified recording method. While it may be easier for the RIAA to get subpoenas for connection logs they do have to have some proof, rather than just someone's word. Right now the IPs they're using are either operated by the RIAA or have agreements with them for the purposes of aquiring activity logs, and as these facts are publicly available it's easy to figure out which IPs to block.

SO, wheres the IP list to block??

Not sure where the list is, but you can find out who owns an IP by running tracert on the IP, then doing a nameserver whois over at internic.net. I think there's an easier way to get a comprehensive listing but I can't remember. Guess I'm not that leet.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: dman

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just use Kazaa Lite 2.4.0 that has built in RIAA protection. Not that hard folks.

All that does is block a certain list of ip/or users from accessing your files. Don't think they could just have their lawyers (using a non-banned IP) get your list instead?

Only if they have a previous arrangement with the ISP sys admins to keep logs of connection activity that will hold up in court, or have some form of certified recording method. While it may be easier for the RIAA to get subpoenas for connection logs they do have to have some proof, rather than just someone's word. Right now the IPs they're using are either operated by the RIAA or have agreements with them for the purposes of aquiring activity logs, and as these facts are publicly available it's easy to figure out which IPs to block.

What if.....*gasp* all of the system admins deleted the logs !!!!!!
I know if the RIAA came knocking at my ISP and I was admin I would delete them immediately. and say.....woops. Sorry, I can't help yall out.

 

[Shockwave]

Yeah, but would the ISP system admins do that? DOubt it, cause they know the company would probably be pissed that they deleted the logs.
Those type of decisions are unfortunately made at a higher level then the Sys Admins.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Yeah, but would the ISP system admins do that? DOubt it, cause they know the company would probably be pissed that they deleted the logs.
Those type of decisions are unfortunately made at a higher level then the Sys Admins.

I think Ill create my own internet ISP then.....call it NotLoggedInternet.com

 

[falias]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just use Kazaa Lite 2.4.0 that has built in RIAA protection. Not that hard folks.

How about you just lay off Kazaa and use eMule...

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: jfano

Originally posted by: jagr10
So instead of the music companies coming up with a big ass site with all their music available for download for a reasonable fee, they waste that money going after regular joe's. I mean, if they charged a yearly or monthly fee that was decent, people might actually download quality music from them.

Innovate not Litigate

Let me get this straight, they do the music and other people break the law by illegally obtaining it and you think that they should just change the way they do stuff rather than prosecute the people? Whether you like it or not, songs are copywritten and as such it is illegal to redistribute them. All other arguements are pointless. This doesn't mean that I am all holy or never did it, I am just telling it as it is. You can make excuses about quality and price, but there are other ways of forcing change that doesn't require breaking the law. That doesn't mean that you have the right to break the law. People should be prosecuted. It's the risk you take when you break the law. Black people got arrested all the time when they were trying to gain equal rights. Did it do anything? NO. It wasn't until people started using legal and peacful methods that change occured. The same this is happening here. You all claim to be patriots and such, but you are not going to cause a single bit of change because the RIAA can afford to prosecute and with the money they make prosecuting people, they will gain more money that will be used to prosecute more people. They have ZERO inscentive to change. Your stragegy of breaking the law and making excuses will fail. It's been proven time and time again in history, yet you all think you know better

 

[Red Dawn]

They have ZERO inscentive to change. Your stragegy of breaking the law and making excuses will fail. I

No it won't Asscroft.

 

[MaxDepth]

Hmm. I wonder how much work they invest in discovering my DHCP server IP from behind a firewall, through a Chinese TV station proxy server?

Hmm. I'm just now wondering if having a place down in Mexico isn't that bad of an idea...

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Shockwave
Yeah, but would the ISP system admins do that? DOubt it, cause they know the company would probably be pissed that they deleted the logs.
Those type of decisions are unfortunately made at a higher level then the Sys Admins.

Exactly.

By "agreement" I meant "the RIAA puts one of their own Sys Admins in there to monitor the stuff". They'd be fools not to realize they're so unpopular that a random sys admin would delete a whole host of logs just to mess with 'em.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
yet you all think you know better

I know that copywritten isn't a word.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

They have ZERO inscentive to change. Your stragegy of breaking the law and making excuses will fail. I

No it won't Asscroft.

LOL!!

 

[Hubris]

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: ness1469
Uhh, you do understand that by sharing the files you are giving anyone who uses KaZaa permission to access your files, right?

Uhhhh...you do understand that's the whole foundation of the way KaZaa works, right?

That's why I like FTP servers and fservs. Because of the announcement text you can have listed when people connect you can shield yourself from having your file list used for subpoenas, indictments and any other manner of legal actions.

Yeah, I'm sure that would hold up in court.

Don't think you can sue the US Goverment, or there would be a new claim every freaaking hour of the day

Of course you can sue the government. They uphold the law, they're not immune to them.

They have ZERO inscentive to change. Your stragegy of breaking the law and making excuses will fail

I had this conversation last night, and yes it's totally stealing, no ifs ands of buts. However, they do have an incentive to change. If CD sales keep slipping, even after they 'close down' those evil P2P programs, then they will change their strategy. For better or worse, the RIAA is a business, and as more and more people get internet access and broadband, they will have to convert their marketing strategy to compensate. I'm sure most of the pressure for them to NOT move online is a) as was mentioned all the crap songs no one will buy, if they can gt the one or two good songs by themselves and b) retailers would lose a hell of a lot of money if music moved online; they jack the prices up so much that they make one hell of a profit on CDs. Moving online would kill that.

Music will move online eventually, and I'll definitely be first in line if I can get almost every song I want; but this piddling 'no artist you've ever heard of' crap can bite me.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

They have ZERO inscentive to change. Your stragegy of breaking the law and making excuses will fail. I

No it won't Asscroft.

hehe...that was great.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Hubris

Originally posted by: yukichigai

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: ness1469
Uhh, you do understand that by sharing the files you are giving anyone who uses KaZaa permission to access your files, right?

Uhhhh...you do understand that's the whole foundation of the way KaZaa works, right?

That's why I like FTP servers and fservs. Because of the announcement text you can have listed when people connect you can shield yourself from having your file list used for subpoenas, indictments and any other manner of legal actions.

Yeah, I'm sure that would hold up in court.

Under the DMCA it does. All you have to have are logs showing that when they were informed of the policy and told that doing anything but exiting immediately implied consent of these rules that they did something that indicated they agreed. The wording of the warning does have to be specific though.

 

[Ness]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: ness1469
Uhh, you do understand that by sharing the files you are giving anyone who uses KaZaa permission to access your files, right?

Uhhhh...you do understand that's the whole foundation of the way KaZaa works, right?

Yes... yes I do..... that was in response to the person who said that they will counter sue because they didn't have permission to access their files...

There were two posts made before mine got in and kidna took it out of context... or something.

 

[Antoneo]

Why doesn't the RIAA go after IRC channels or Usenet users? Wouldn't the ISPs log that sort of activity as well?

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Antoneo
Why doesn't the RIAA go after IRC channels or Usenet users? Wouldn't the ISPs log that sort of activity as well?

1) p2p users are currently the biggest source of piracy out there.
2) p2p is the easiest system to use as far as piracy goes. In order to use IRC or Usenet you have to be moderately l33t. (or whatnot)
3) IRC and Usenet have certain legal coverage granted through the DMCA. In order for them to go after IRC and Usenet effectively more laws need to be passed.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

800?! Wow, that's a lot. And 75 more each week??? Holy CRAP. The chances of those assholes nailing me are one in a million! I'm SO SCARED! They're moving SO FAST and nailing SO MANY PEOPLE that they'll hit them all in... oh... MORE THAN A CENTURY at that rate!

run for your liveS!!!!!

 

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RIAA
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BSA

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IDSA
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NameProtect
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Federal Bureau of Investigation
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MPAA
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APG
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SPA
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Teosto
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Cogent Systems
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Antipiracybyra Sweden
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Audiofon Chat & Play GmbH
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The Allegro group
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Interliant
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Caast.org
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129.250.2.220 Right Track Studios
144.232.26.2 Remote Recording Services
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Alpa Association
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APP
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Universal studios/Mca
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IFPI
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World Intelectual Property Organisation
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IRMA
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Sony Music Entertainment Inc
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BMG Ariola MÝnchen GmbH
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Bertelsmann group world wide
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KOCH International Multimedia
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Universal Entertainment GmbH
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EMI Electrola GmbH
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Bmi
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Time Warner Telecom
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No absolutes if these are the actuall IP #s of those companies, however I belive most of them are. If I wasnt suppose to post something like this, just plz edit it and not ban me

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

They have ZERO inscentive to change. Your stragegy of breaking the law and making excuses will fail. I

No it won't Asscroft.

Made me laugh...even if I do think that downloading copyrighted material is wrong...still made me chuckle.

 

[Bootprint]

So I wonder if the RIAA really checks each of the files... Going by file names could get them in big trouble.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: falias

Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Just use Kazaa Lite 2.4.0 that has built in RIAA protection. Not that hard folks.

How about you just lay off Kazaa and use eMule...

What's eMule?