Haswell will rival graphics performance of today's discrete cards!

[bryanW1995]

Should I have put in a disclaimer that this is from intel PR? I almost choked on my coffee, I was laughing so hard...

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=22002


edit: Should probably give credit to DT here instead of intel. All intel actually said was that they were targeting today's discrete cards, not making any sort of guarantee that they would actually reach their target.

 

[lifeblood]

Which discreet GPU will their new integrated GPU equal? A 6450? A 6970? How about a 3450 (still available on newegg)?

We'll see. Intel's credibility when it comes to GPU's is seriously lacking so forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical.

 

[v8envy]

No, Intel's marketing chief says Intel *HOPES* Haswell will rival today's discrete cards.

Which is like me saying I *HOPE* I find a discarded lottery ticket that wins me a trillion dollars. Equal probability of either one happening, IMO.

 

[GammaLaser]

I tried to find what exactly was said by Intel in the sources DT linked and the closest thing I found was this:

The difference between now and 2013 is that by then Haswell-based Ultrabooks will be cheap, according to Intel's Kilroy, who cited a likely price of $599. And, if Intel has its druthers, those Ultrabooks will not require any extra graphics silicon from companies like Nvidia: Intel's built-in graphics will do just fine, thank you.

Sounds to me like it's DT trying to spin the headlines for more clicks. *sigh*


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[Edrick]

I believe that Intel is talking about Haswell competing with mobile GPUs. And we all know the mobile versions are much less powerful than the desktop counterparts. And if this is true, then I think by that time there could be a possibility Haswell will put up a fight with the Nvidia M series. We will see.

 

[Cerb]

By 2013, Intel might actually have fixed their drivers, and set aside a decent amount of die space for the GPU? Meanwhile, Llano has discrete card performance already, and should out in force very shortly.

Better headline: "In 2013, Intel will finally be on the bandwagon"

 

[toyota]

AMD is just as bad about exaggerating. Zacate is not anywhere near the multi tasking platform they claim. their video of them playing Batman AA is very deceiving.

 

[ultimatebob]

Intel's integrated video has sucked for the past 10 years. I don't have much hope for a sudden improvement now.

 

[OCGuy]

By 2013, Intel might actually have fixed their drivers, and set aside a decent amount of die space for the GPU? Meanwhile, Llano has discrete card performance already, and should out in force very shortly.

Better headline: "In 2013, Intel will finally be on the bandwagon"

Nobody I know is going to have any use for a Llano GPU outside of Farmville and solitaire.

Having the better on-die graphics right now is like errr....uhhh.......the male nipple? Is this thing on? *tap tap*

 

[VirtualLarry]

AMD is just as bad about exaggerating. Zacate is not anywhere near the multi tasking platform they claim. their video of them playing Batman AA is very deceiving.

Hmm? I wouldn't exactly call Zacate a gaming platform. But as far as basic web-browsing and offices tasks, that kind of multitasking, it's just fine.

Heck, go to www.wklb.com, it's very flash-heavy, and it kills the CPU on my single-core AMD TF-20 (1.6Ghz) laptop. But on Zacate, my machine does not grind to a halt. (70-80% CPU usage.)

 

[VirtualLarry]

Nobody I know is going to have any use for a Llano GPU outside of Farmville and solitaire.

Having the better on-die graphics right now is like winning the special olympics....

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31914550&postcount=60

Watch that video. LLano playing Crysis 2, with decent framerates. WHILE running Linx.
(Disclaimer, it was overclocked to 150 FSB, 3.3Ghz or something around that.)

 

[toyota]

Hmm? I wouldn't exactly call Zacate a gaming platform. But as far as basic web-browsing and offices tasks, that kind of multitasking, it's just fine.

Heck, go to www.wklb.com, it's very flash-heavy, and it kills the CPU on my single-core AMD TF-20 (1.6Ghz) laptop. But on Zacate, my machine does not grind to a halt. (70-80% CPU usage.)

oh yeah I know its not a gaming platform by any means. the 1.6 ghz cpus are like having two 2.0 P4 cpus so it is way too weak for most modern games. really AMD should not have even bothered with 80 sp because they are bottlenecked in many cases. 40 sp like on the 4250 would have been much more appropriate. the 4250 with any decent cpu will beat the 80 sp 6310 in many cases anyway.

AMD had a video showing Batman AA being somewhat playable. they found a spot with no action to have Batman walk around and look as if it would be playable. its not plyable at all and those are my(trek554) comments from today underneath the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btH_gwd8CSg

as for multi tasking the E-350 craps itself for about 20 seconds just opening up 10-12 google tabs when I first start the browser. many sites that have lots of Flash will make the system feel temporarily sluggish. lol, I cant even go to one of my favorite adult sites because this cpu cannot handle all the Flash. its much better than the Atom but no where near as smooth as my E8500.

the more I use this system the less I am impressed. my friends 5 year old laptop smokes this pc and runs everything smooth without a hitch. this Zacate pc is only an upgrade for someone that's coming from an Atom.

 

[thilanliyan]

Having the better on-die graphics right now is like winning [edit]....

That line has been used before for exactly the same type of reference (I think it was for Via graphics or something like that). And to be honest, it's very insensitive. I urge you to edit that out but it's your call of course.

 

[VirtualLarry]

as for multi tasking the E-350 craps itself for about 20 seconds just opening up 10-12 google tabs when I first start the browser.

That could be disk- or network-I/O limited.

many sites that have lots of Flash will make the system feel temporarily sluggish. lol, I cant even go to one of my favorite adult sites because this cpu cannot handle all the Flash. its much better than the Atom but no where near as smooth as my E8500.

That does sound CPU-limited.

the more I use this system the less I am impressed. my friends 5 year old laptop smokes this pc and runs everything smooth without a hitch. this Zacate pc is only an upgrade for someone that's coming from an Atom.

Hmm, sorry you feel that way. I certainly like mine much better than the P4 2.4Ghz that it replaced. And I had a discrete Radeon 2600Pro AGP in that rig. (Which, sadly, even though the hardware supports H264 acceleration, through ATI/AMD's driver decisions, does not accelerate flash video.)

Edit: What do you have to say about this video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Y7b_K5Cvw
OCed to 2.1Ghz, 1024x600 low settings.

 

[toyota]

That could be disk- or network-I/O limited.

That does sound CPU-limited.

Hmm, sorry you feel that way. I certainly like mine much better than the P4 2.4Ghz that it replaced. And I had a discrete Radeon 2600Pro AGP in that rig. (Which, sadly, even though the hardware supports H264 acceleration, through ATI/AMD's driver decisions, does not accelerate flash video.)

its a 7200 rpm drive and its not the network because our other comps are fine. even the old 2.0 core duo laptop on wireless feels way better surfing the websites with lots of Flash than this pc.

and its certainly the cpu because I watch it get pegged right at 100% and all I can do is wait for the tabs to load. even just installing some games will nearly max out the cpu and render the pc basically useless at times.

and no there is nothing wrong with its actual performance because I got the same thing you did in 3dMark 11 and I match or beat other benchmarks I have seen.

I am coming from using an E8500 most of the time so what I am used to is much different than this.

EDIT: yeah that video is probably about right. the cpu at 2.1 would make a massive difference.

 

[Cerb]

Nobody I know is going to have any use for a Llano GPU outside of Farmville and solitaire.

Having the better on-die graphics right now is like errr....uhhh.......the male nipple? Is this thing on? *tap tap*

Then we know very different people. Most I know have long since tired of Farmville , and have no use for faster CPUs.

 

[ElFenix]

Which discreet GPU will their new integrated GPU equal? A 6450? A 6970? How about a 3450 (still available on newegg)?

We'll see. Intel's credibility when it comes to GPU's is seriously lacking so forgive me if I'm a bit sceptical.

rage pro

 

[OS]

i'll see your rage pro with an s3 virge

 

[DeathReborn]

Will it match the Intel i740?

Shockingly most of the staff that made the i740 were later hired by ATI... I wonder, how many are left?

 

[Nemesis 1]

It was the israelia team that i740 was designed By. The i740 was designed with an ondie memory comtroller using Rambus memory . the prices of the R memory was sky high as the memory makers comspired and got caught price fixing. So intel went to an onboard memory hud that failed misserably.It was this Same Israelia team that using the i740 pro core designed Banjas.
I think those that read this article ,Missed the call In the AVX instruction set.

 

[TakeNoPrisoners]

Well as long as I have a thread in here.

I can see this happening as long as the GPU doesn't have aspirations of running intense graphical programs. I would like to see a change in notebooks and netbooks where CPU's and GPU's are equally powerful. I always like balanced systems. When I build my most recent rig I built it with this in mind as far as power is concerned. The days of notebooks having decent CPU's and horrible GPU's seems to be coming to an end and I welcome this change.

 

[Madcatatlas]

Im sure Intel, with its vast bulk of influence, can make pretty much everything happen. I dont really get the "they are 3 or so generations behind AMD and Nvidia" argument, as they have access to each new tech part the day they get launched and can dissect and experiment at their own pleasure.

Intel has read the writing on the walls, its says "Fusion/APU" and they wont just stand around idle watching AMD make AND eat the cake too..

 

[Lonbjerg]

By 2013, Intel might actually have fixed their drivers, and set aside a decent amount of die space for the GPU? Meanwhile, Llano has discrete card performance already, and should out in force very shortly.

Better headline: "In 2013, Intel will finally be on the bandwagon"

Sandy Brigde:

Llano:

:whiste:

 

[jvroig]

That Llano die shot is the cropped version. This fact has been made known for quite a time.

A non-cropped die shot shows the GPU portion to consume a considerable amount of die space, see the Llano die at the center of this AMD slide. At first glance, it is a good 1/3 of the die at least.

EDIT:
Better image from chip-architect:

 

[GammaLaser]

If we look here it appears that the GPU takes up a good 33% of the Ivy Bridge die:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4386/a-quick-look-at-a-22nm-ivy-bridge-wafer

Compared to less than 25% in Sandy Bridge.

I could see Intel increasing the GPU area% even further moving forward. It's probably the most sensible thing to do with the extra transistor budget given by die shrinks, as there's not much point in >4 cores for mainstream desktop SKUs and single core IPC is already pretty good.