ShintaiDK
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Wasn't silvermont delayed to 2014?
Silvermont is still a 2013 product.
Wasn't silvermont delayed to 2014?
No its not. And there is nothing in your links that even suggest its even remotely illegal.
If Intel wants to sell every 1$ 3770Ks they can do it and its within the law. What they cant do is demand some terms with the low price. Like dont try and sell any AMD or ARM CPUs.
I read somewhere the other day that x86 arch has peaked. That's why we have been seeing yearly improvements of only 5-10 percent for the past decade or so, whereas ARM has just started rising and we are seeing yearly improvements of about 100 percent, and if this trend continues it won't be long until they reach acceptable performance for heavy tasks too. So unless Intel has some tricks up it's sleeves, it won't be as simple as you predict to kick off ARM.
How so?
I'd be more than happy to complain to you about my Droid 2. The thing is a piece of garbage that consistently chokes while web browsing. Definitely should have done my research first... could have waited a month and gotten something much better.
This is utter nonsense. The reason this is true right now is because ARM is adding features that x86 CPUs added in the early 90s (OoOE, superscalar multi-issue cores, etc).
ARM and Intel are just taking different routes to the same endpoint - ARM is adding features to smaller low-power designs as processes improve and Intel is using process improvement (which, by the way, they are the undisputed world leader at) to reduce the power consumption of their high-performance cores.
In a silicon race, there's no way I'm going to bet against Intel.
This is utter nonsense. The reason this is true right now is because ARM is adding features that x86 CPUs added in the early 90s (OoOE, superscalar multi-issue cores, etc).
ARM and Intel are just taking different routes to the same endpoint - ARM is adding features to smaller low-power designs as processes improve and Intel is using process improvement (which, by the way, they are the undisputed world leader at) to reduce the power consumption of their high-performance cores.
In a silicon race, there's no way I'm going to bet against Intel.
Wasn't silvermont delayed to 2014?
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Oh, I see in your sig, you are moderatror protected.
Not sure what that is intended to mean, but of the multitude of ways I can interpret it I can think of none that would actually be accurate or reflective of the situation.
There is no such thing as a "moderator protected" member in these forums. We hate everyone equally and are forever spoiling for the opportunity to bust y'alls asses Go ahead, make my day!
Not sure what that is intended to mean, but of the multitude of ways I can interpret it I can think of none that would actually be accurate or reflective of the situation.
There is no such thing as a "moderator protected" member in these forums. We hate everyone equally and are forever spoiling for the opportunity to bust y'alls asses Go ahead, make my day!
Aside from admiring your courage to call my post utter nonesense, I don't see anything in your post which rejects the point I was making. Sorry, but :thumbsdown:
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Oh, I see in your sig, you are moderatror protected.
Err?
He stated pretty plainly that the reason ARM is making large gains is because they are adding features to their CPUs that x86 has had for a decade or longer.
Yes.you know, according to mobile iron there are 4,000 different versions of android in the wild ( great thing allowing people to compile their own stuff). Did you try a different one?
Sorry, I meant him no harm. Please have mercy with me.
So what if ARM is adding features that the x86 line had? That's why Intel worries. ARM chips are real competition.
In the end, its all about the products. And since there is no popular desktop OS's on ARM CPU's yet, neither should be compared.
If we talking about devices tho, we will find out soon how these low watt Haswell's perform. But to think that ARM chips aren't competition is completely absurd.
Obviously, NVIDIA, Qualcomm and Apple think that they are. All building custom ARM chips, getting away from x86 AND Intel. And then you have AMD also.
You got three companies, against Intel specifically. Then you got Qualcomm and Samsung who's been at this game since forever.
Intel might be king in x86, but not devices.
Haswell is supposed to be Intel's coming ace. a low watt Haswell beating ARM by 200 percent would be a disaster for Intel, because ARM would catch up and overtake Intel in two to three years, and Intel would once again be stuck at 5-10 percent yearly improvements. Like I said before, Intel needs something very special win this game.
I don't think you get how processor design works.
Hint: Intel's fabrication lead will prevent the scenario you describe from happening.
No. I don't understand how processor design works. But some people here think beating ARM is going to be a peace of cake for Intel and I understand that is not correct.
ARM isn't an exception to the laws of physics or anything. They'll hit the same frequency wall that Intel and AMD have hit.Haswell is supposed to be Intel's coming ace. a low watt Haswell beating ARM by 200 percent would be a disaster for Intel, because ARM would catch up and overtake Intel in two to three years, and Intel would once again be stuck at 5-10 percent yearly improvements. Like I said before, Intel needs something very special win this game.
That is fine with me. So what? I said ARM is making large strides, how they are doing it is up to them. What is utterly nonsensical there?
Really, how many people compain about the perf of there smart phones or andriod tablets/ipad. There seems to be lots of issue inventing here, phone and tablets are largely an information ingesting device there performance has been "adequate" since about the 3GS.
Or better yet what is this "lack" of CPU power stopping?
I cant wait for surface pro, yet im perfectly aware ( part of my job is designing BYOD infrastructure and polices) that my needs are in the vast minority.