Haswell based Celeron 2955U and Bay Trail Atom Z3740D?

[Synomenon]

I'm trying to find any comparisons b/w the Haswell based Celeron 2955U and Bay Trail Atom Z3740D.

Which one performs better w/ Windows 8.1 and traditional desktop programs?

 

[Headfoot]

I think its fairly safe to say the Haswell is going to be faster pretty much across the board given the huge disparity in architectures and TDP ratings. Celeron will definitely be faster in anything single threaded, while the Atom may come close in highly threaded workloads. In real life usage the Haswell will be better. I'm sure it costs more though

 

[Muyoso]

This is exactly what I want compared. I want to pick up a new device to mess around with, and all I want it to be able to do is handle very light gaming from steam. I'm between either the Asus T100 or running crouton on the Chromebook 14 from HP. The T100 is about 40-50% underpowered where I'd ideally like it to be with regards to the GPU, and finding any information out about the 2955u in the Chromebook is like finding a needle in a haystack. Either device would be neat to mess around with though I guess.

 

[Synomenon]

I'm looking for something very portable I can use at work for tickets and remote desktop use. I was looking at either the Dell Venue 8 Pro. (Bay Trail Atom Z3740D) or Dell Inspiron 1100 (Haswell based Celeron 2955U). The Inspiron would probably be better suited since it has a keyboard and touchpad, but the Venue 8 Pro. would be an interesting unit to try with what I need the units to do.

 

[Shivansps]

the 2955U its better in single threaded and IGP for sure, but Atoms will gve a fight on power, heat and multi-threaded.

 

[Synomenon]

The Celeron 2955U is a dual core CPU and the Atom Z3740D is quad, right? Not sure how much Windows 8.1 and remote desktop would utilize the multiple cores.

 

[monstercameron]

This is exactly what I want compared. I want to pick up a new device to mess around with, and all I want it to be able to do is handle very light gaming from steam. I'm between either the Asus T100 or running crouton on the Chromebook 14 from HP. The T100 is about 40-50% underpowered where I'd ideally like it to be with regards to the GPU, and finding any information out about the 2955u in the Chromebook is like finding a needle in a haystack. Either device would be neat to mess around with though I guess.

do not intend to derail this thread but

...and all I want it to be able to do is handle very light gaming from steam.

the you should look at the amd a6-1450 in the acer v5-122p or hp touhsmart 11z. the gpu on those are more powerful.

 

[Shivansps]

do not intend to derail this thread but

the you should look at the amd a6-1450 in the acer v5-122p or hp touhsmart 11z. the gpu on those are more powerful.

No no no, stop right there, you dont know that, the A6-1450 is better than a BT for gaming for sure, but its unlikely to be better than a Haswell GT1 even on single channel. Benchmarks are needed to know for sure.

Dell Inspiron 11 3000 is at $379 with 2955U

 

[Enigmoid]

do not intend to derail this thread but

the you should look at the amd a6-1450 in the acer v5-122p or hp touhsmart 11z. the gpu on those are more powerful.

The a6-1450 has such a slow CPU (1.4 ghz boost on one core) that it will be unable to hit 30 fps period on many/most games.

 

[monstercameron]

The a6-1450 has such a slow CPU (1.4 ghz boost on one core) that it will be unable to hit 30 fps period on many/most games.

remember that the a6-1450 beats the z3740 in single threaded workloads[wow the mobile and desktop are completely reversed].

z3740 cinebench single=0.31 multi=1.24
a6-1450 cinebench single=0.33 multi=1.02

then the gpu has 1.5-2.5x more performance.

the atom has more bandwidth though...

so even with the multithreading advantage, there is no way that the z3740 can compete with a6-1450 in 3d workloads.

 

[Sweepr]

remember that the a6-1450 beats the z3740 in single threaded workloads[wow the mobile and desktop are completely reversed].

z3740 cinebench single=0.31 multi=1.48
a6-1450 cinebench single=0.33 multi=1.02

then the gpu has 1.5-2.5x more performance.

the atom has more bandwidth though...

so even with the multithreading advantage, there is no way that the z3740 can compete with a6-1450 in 3d workloads.

CB is not very representative of Bay Trail overall performance. Z3770 matches an A4 5000 here but beats it pretty much everywhere else (CPU-wise). Z3740 might be slower in CB11.5 but delivers similar performance (vs A4 5000) @ PCMark 7 and 7-Zip according to Anand.
Celeron's IGP is much faster than Bay Trail-T, you're talking about 2.5x the number of EUs (4 vs 10 EUs - newer, Gen 7.5 vs Gen 7) that can clock higher (up to 1000MHz vs 667MHz).

 

[Enigmoid]

remember that the a6-1450 beats the z3740 in single threaded workloads[wow the mobile and desktop are completely reversed].

z3740 cinebench single=0.31 multi=1.24
a6-1450 cinebench single=0.33 multi=1.02

then the gpu has 1.5-2.5x more performance.

the atom has more bandwidth though...

so even with the multithreading advantage, there is no way that the z3740 can compete with a6-1450 in 3d workloads.

The z3740 is comparable with the A4-5000 in MT loads.

And the GPU is not close to 2x as fast.

With lower CPU clocks (1-1.4 ghz single core) and a weaker gpu (300-400 mhz) vs 500 mhz at lower power the z3740 is solid.

 

[monstercameron]

the closest could find in perf to the 2955u is the celeron 1017u http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-V5-131-10172G50akk-Notebook.102564.0.html
they got cinebench 8.21fps vs a6-1450 9.50fps, the celeron does have better cpu perf though

 

[SPBHM]

the closest could find in perf to the 2955u is the celeron 1017u http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-V5-131-10172G50akk-Notebook.102564.0.html
they got cinebench 8.21fps vs a6-1450 9.50fps, the celeron does have better cpu perf though

Haswell GT1 have 10EUs, Ivy Bridge GT1 have 6
2955U should be a little faster or as fast as the 1017U as a CPU, and considerably faster for the IGP.

 

[Vesku]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Celeron-2955U-Notebook-Processor.98845.0.html

Notebook check is pretty good for getting a rough idea. Should have similar CPU performance to the 1007U that's been out for a while. Unfortunately I don't know any complete reviews of the 1007U but an internet search should produce some specific application results.

As SPBHM points out the HD Graphics in the 2955U consists of 10 EUs meaning it is a decent bump up from the HD2500 6EU based HD Graphics in the 1007U. Definitely much stronger than the graphics of Bay Trail.

 

[monstercameron]

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And the GPU is not close to 2x as fast.

With lower CPU clocks (1-1.4 ghz single core) and a weaker gpu (300-400 mhz) vs 500 mhz at lower power the z3740 is solid.

I have no commentary on the power consumption, just gpu perf and gaming perf. the tpu 3dmark score is the overall score, not the graphics score, lets say it gets [being generous] 13k graphics score, the a6-1450 gets 21k and the a4-5000 gets 26k.

 

[Shivansps]

For the 34789304987th time, PRICE is the problem only A4-1250 versions are offered at Dell 11 3000 and T100, while the A6-1450 is good enoght compared to a BT, the devices prices are not, you cant even compare it with BT if i can get a 2955U for much less.

the two devices you mentioned are at $400 with A4-1250, T100 is a $349, 11 3000 is a $379, it does not matter the features they may have, the performance difference is large, especially with 2955U.
and i dont belive the A4-1250 is any better than BT on games by a margin that worth something.

 

[monstercameron]

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Celeron-2955U-Notebook-Processor.98845.0.html

Notebook check is pretty good for getting a rough idea. Should have similar CPU performance to the 1007U that's been out for a while. Unfortunately I don't know any complete reviews of the 1007U but an internet search should produce some specific application results.

As SPBHM points out the HD Graphics in the 2955U consists of 10 EUs meaning it is a decent bump up from the HD2500 6EU based HD Graphics in the 1007U. Definitely much stronger than the graphics of Bay Trail.

ok another comparison cpu can be the i3-2375m
cinebench multi=1.30-1.43 gl=7.5fps

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i3-2375M-Notebook-Processor.88046.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-3330-Notebook.93333.0.html

 

[Shivansps]

7.x fps is the score that HD2000 @ 1.1ghz gets. HD2500 @ 1ghz gets over 9fps

http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Wortmann-Terra-Mobile-1512-Notebook.96603.0.html

Thats the Celeron 1037U using single channel memory, And ill call that very accurate, compare gaming results to this http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Acer-Aspire-V5-122P-61454G50NSS-Notebook.93321.0.html , same on Anno 2070, twice on Dirt Showdown (CPU bound game), and a bit better in Skyrim, and thats is the A6-1450 vs 1037U Ivy with HD2500.

Expect 2955U to be better than that by a considerable margin, it will be more on A4-5000 level.

 

[monstercameron]

For the 34789304987th time, PRICE is the problem only A4-1250 versions are offered at Dell 11 3000 and T100, while the A6-1450 is good enoght compared to a BT, the devices prices are not, you cant even compare it with BT if i can get a 2955U for much less.

the two devices you mentioned are at $400 with A4-1250, T100 is a $349, 11 3000 is a $379, it does not matter the features they may have, the performance difference is large, especially with 2955U.
and i dont belive the A4-1250 is any better than BT on games by a margin that worth something.

both devices are $399 and come with a6-1450 and also the acer v5-122p has an ips panel. also the hp 11z comes with both a4 and a6, dell 11 3000 doesnt yet ship with amd apu when i checked their site but from all the site I have seen taht report on it, they claim the amd option will cost $350.

 

[Enigmoid]

ok another comparison cpu can be the i3-2375m
cinebench multi=1.30-1.43 gl=7.5fps

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i3-2375M-Notebook-Processor.88046.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Latitude-3330-Notebook.93333.0.html

Which was EOL when?

 

[monstercameron]

Which was EOL when?

I was just trying to provide a reference for the performance to be expected from the celeron 2955u eol or not the perf is gonna be close.

 

[Shivansps]

the 1037U review gives a way better idea. The HD2500@1Ghz@Single Channel is around the same as the A6-1450 for gpu intensive, and way better on cpu intensive.

No idea of what happens with that HD3000, there are turbo issues there.