Haswell 4c8t @2.6 Fritz Chess Benchmark <Update:2.8G Haswell>

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You wouldn't . I will say this to you one time and one time only . Who is not a liar . Who would not put his job in jeopardy to lie about intels performance . If Who says those benchies are bogus they are bogus. We seen what happened to Tim for going public with larrabee.

I missed that. Who is Tim and what happened to Tim for going public with Larrabee? Could you link it?

Gt3E has 40 eu Intel has not said what GT2 is or GT1. But what is it we know? We know that intel adds another slice to the GT3e . To make 40 eu . We know a single slice is 20 eu, So I believe GT1 is 20 eu and GT2 is 40 eu without the Edram . Intel says they improved memory subsystem so there are no bank conflicts . It could very will be That A GT2 on desktop walks all over A GT3e. It would run at almost 2x the speed with O/Cing it will run 2x faster. With hi frequency DDr3 . Really, I at the point of not caring about haswell other than its graphics and intel is BRAGGING . This sucks normally by now I would know all these things . But Bob wouldn't give me a haswell. Maybe I might get a broadwell. What Robert delivered at xmas was good enough .

What's an "eu"? Execution unit? I'm not following what you are saying and I think the key is that I'm not sure what an EU is beyond European Union. And while I'm asking.. who is Bob and what did he give you for Christmas? :)
 
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qliveur

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Going to be difficult to not upgrade my i5 2500K with this thing.
Yeah, I've been sitting on my i7 930 @4.1 waiting for this to come out. Along with the chipset improvements I'll be getting, it should be a nice-sized bump in performance while using a lot less juice.

I don't understand all of the whining. A ~10% IPC improvement is right on track for a tock; anything more than that is gravy.
 

Saylick

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Yeah, I've been sitting on my i7 930 @4.1 waiting for this to come out. Along with the chipset improvements I'll be getting, it should be a nice-sized bump in performance while using a lot less juice.

I don't understand all of the whining. A ~10% IPC improvement is right on track for a tock; anything more than that is gravy.

I completely agree. 10% IPC increase on non-AVX optimized code too, so we could be seeing 10+% IPC increase in the long run. Along with the lower system power consumption, seems there will be a LOT of gravy to be had this time around; I can't wait to see what improvements Haswell brings to the mobile industry.
 

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Oh I understand that this doesn't include AVX2 or Tsx . But thats a wait and see , Sure it helps make haswell future proof . I not going to go the way of others point at future apps that will use next generation apps and recompiles. Of course I would like to see intel 8 real cores against the AMD processor with 8 cores . That is no longer how we measure performance . We now measure performance based on price. Because No one can come close to 8 real intel cores. It was so easy in 2006 . I new this game was going to played this way . As I stated long befor it happened in real life . Intel played its core hand vary well . That doesn't change the fact I disappointed in only 10% gain in that benchmark . As I was expecting HT performance improving . With this benchmark I don't know where the improvement is as it uses HT.

This should be somewhere else but how much of Intel's success is their own competence, and how much is AMD's lack thereof?

When I do a SWOT analysis, I see Fab leadership, brand, marketpower, processor performance leadership, profitability, reliability and ecosystem/chipset. Weaknesses I see high Fixed Costs, waste, excessive segmentation and inferior GPU technology.

For AMD, their strength is GPU technology, their weakness is everything else but particularly, their weak financial disposition, their generations behind fab technology, the WSA burden, and their me too strategy.

Now, what happens if somehow AMD were to get rid of the WSA, strengthen their balance sheet, outsource to TSMC (which while still behind Intel, is much lower cost), stop segmenting and change their product strategy from me too to cross subsidization based on their strengths?* They'd be a formidable competitor, even with inferior processor technology.

*to break-even, AMD only needs to make ~$20 profit per CPU, regardless of price or socket. So if for example, their servers shared the same chipset and socket as desktop, they could probably sell a Server CPU for $50 and still make money - its the Southwest Airlines vs the Big Airlines model, point to point/flat pricing vs hub and spoke/revenue management.

** they could push the model further and price everything based on customers buying a CPU/GPU bundle (or APU) in which case the needed profit is more like $35 per bundle and with 1 segmentation between APU and CPU/GPU (ex. $20 profit x 10MM APUs + $60 profit x 5MM CPU/GPU bundle) which would make the CPU very inexpensive if a customer bought a 7870 or higher end card - possibly free if the video card and motherboard were combined into 1 circuit board. Which by the way, could cause a mini-boom in the x86/PC industry - big improvements in price/performance usually does that.

We know this will never happen - this is AMD after all - but what if it did?

Don't be so confident - only the paranoid survive.
 

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Yeah, I've been sitting on my i7 930 @4.1 waiting for this to come out. Along with the chipset improvements I'll be getting, it should be a nice-sized bump in performance while using a lot less juice.
I don't understand all of the whining. A ~10% IPC improvement is right on track for a tock; anything more than that is gravy.
This. I sort of cheated and upgraded my office machine from a PII X3 @ X4 3.6GHz to a 3570K @ 4.5GHz, but the home machine is still an i7 920 D0 @ 4GHz.
 

Soccerman06

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Wonder what kind of performance boost Ill get from a 920 C0 @3.8 > 4.5-5 hanswell. Im guessing 30% from clocks and 15-20% from ipc.
 
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Doesn't TX require the code to be re-compiled to take advantage of the hardware feature?

As Shintai also pointed out, yes, my bad, missed that :(. At that given rate, 10% is very nice.

How does these binaries work today, modern compilers and runtimes? Will a single x64 binary support TSX and say AVX2 and default to a lesser common if the hardware is not there?
I've never heard of it, and I think that i would have. More likely that the "installer" determines your hardware specs and chooses a suitable binary to install. Makes adoptation of these new goodies a hazzle.
 

Saylick

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Wonder what kind of performance boost Ill get from a 920 C0 @3.8 > 4.5-5 hanswell. Im guessing 30% from clocks and 15-20% from ipc.

Nehalem to SNB was roughly 10% if I recall correctly. SNB to IVB is another 5%. For all intents and purposes, lets assume IVB to HSW will be another 10%.

That's 1.1*1.05*1.1 = 1.27 or 27% increase in IPC. 3.8 GHz to 4.5 GHz is 18% increase in clock frequency.

Total increase: ~50%.
 

Janooo

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You score is at stock or OCed? Looks a bit high to be @ 2.6Ghz :D
Well this benchmark is FP intensive so it's 4 fp units vs 4 fp units in case of i7 and FX8xxx.
Well, chess programs are branch intensive integer applications.
They are very much memory sensitive apps as well.
10% delta can be achieved by going from very slow memory to extremely fast one with the same CPU clocks.
 

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Well, chess programs are branch intensive integer applications.
They are very much memory sensitive apps as well.
10% delta can be achieved by going from very slow memory to extremely fast one with the same CPU clocks.
Haswell has better memory subsystem too ;). It's practically IvyBridge on steroids. Maybe if IB core was paired with super clocked DDR3 vs 1600Mhz DDR3 on Haswell the delta in performance would narrow a lot. But we are talking about level playing field here and Haswell is indeed faster(not hugely but still noticeably faster).
 

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If only Haswell were 1155 socket...

If it is 1155, then I am so upgrading to a 4770k.

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Posts like this remind me of the days before BD specs started being leaked. ;) Such high expectations.

I was surpised to see nobody mentioning the amamzing benefits of microcode, bios updates, magic windows drivers, ES stepping improvements, and the fact that the best board from ASUS was holding back Haswell's performance. :whiste:


I sold my i5 rig for this chip, I hope AVX2 takes off for games :|

Can't wait for a new toy to destroy with voltage and coldness :awe:
 

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I was expecting much more.

Why? On what basis? Intel themselves have given estimate Haswell to be about 10% better than IVB, CPU side.

Yet you ignore all facts and build up ridiculous expectations in your mind just so you can bash any progress Intel makes when they "fail".
 

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Why? On what basis? Intel themselves have given estimate Haswell to be about 10% better than IVB, CPU side.

Yet you ignore all facts and build up ridiculous expectations in your mind just so you can bash any progress Intel makes when they "fail".
I'm hoping for more than 10% over IB and if that is all it is, then it will be a disappointment to me.
 

Smoblikat

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I'm hoping for more than 10% over IB and if that is all it is, then it will be a disappointment to me.

I agree, SB - IB was a side grade with lower OC potential and higher temps, I hope haswell is more than a lowly 10% faster.