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Has your perception of Toyota changed?

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MJinZ said:
So what exactly do you drive?

Sadly for you, I'm betting a Camry SE or Accord Coupe kills whatever you have. 🙄
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An F250 diesel and a Miata.

I'm not saying they're bad cars (Accord/Camry) or anything, I'm saying I hate boring cars. Hell, I have over $100K of Toyota bonds, I know they sell well and that they're reliable, I'm saying they're appliance like and boring...

When was the last time you heard someone talk about how thrilled they were with a Camry/Accord?
 
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Pliablemoose said:
An F250 diesel and a Miata.

I'm not saying they're bad cars or anything, I'm saying I hate boring cars.
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LOL. A Miata has nothing to do with practical cars.

Guess what, a Miata is more fun to drive than the the Audi A4s, BMW 5s, all of VWs lineup, all of Ford's lineup, all of Chevy's lineup (except the Vette), the entire Chrysler lineup ... need I go on and list the rest of the sedans and coupes that aren't more fun than the MIata?

So WTF can you do in your dinky little Miata again, besides toss em around? 🙄

An F250? WTF that does that have to do with anything? A Truck is fun to drive? LOL.
 
MJinZ said:
LOL. A Miata has nothing to do with practical cars.

Guess what, a Miata is more fun to drive than the the Audi A4s, BMW 5s, all of VWs lineup, all of Ford's lineup, all of Chevy's lineup (except the Vette), the entire Chrysler lineup ... need I go on and list the rest of the sedans and coupes that aren't more fun than the MIata?

So WTF can you do in your dinky little Miata again, because toss em around? 🙄

An F250? WTF that does that have to do with anything? A Truck is fun to drive? LOL.
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Sigh..... I owned a shitload of cars, and it's what I like, a vehicle to haul shit like few others and a minimalist fun car to drive. I'm not saying either is the pinnacle of auto development, I'm just saying I like them and they fit my lifestyle.

If you like something else, more power to you. ()🙂

And please feel free to buy a Toyota, as I said, I own a ass load of Toyota bonds...
 
Pliablemoose said:
Sigh..... I owned a shitload of cars, and it's what I like, a vehicle to haul shit like few others and a minimalist fun car to drive. I'm not saying either is the pinnacle of auto development, I'm just saying I like them and they fit my lifestyle.

If you like something else, more power to you. ()🙂

And please feel free to buy a Toyota, as I said, I own a ass load of Toyota bonds...
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I'm just saying your rationale doesn't make sense. People do not buy 2 seaters in numbers for a good reason. They either do not want the impracticality or can not afford to have multiple vehicles where they live/park.

Thus - not much compares to the fun factor of a Miata or Vette, so people buy BMW sedans and if need to be, cheaper, more powerful FWD Coupes and Sedans.

If I had the money, I'd be in a Lotus Evora, an M3 Coupe, an RS5 etc. And if Toyota makes history again, they may even be taking marketshare from Miatas with the 2012 Celica, slated to begin sales next year.

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Now if Toyota kept the FT-86 name through instead of the Celica to final production, there would be even more fanboys buying those things up.
 
Trucks are way fun to drive if you use them appropriately. Pickups make a great portable house, and will take you far from civilization on interesting offroad excursions.

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I've never been in the market for Toyota, but I wouldn't let the latest recalls affect my decision if I were. All cars fuck up on occasion, Toyota's fixing the problem, so what difference does it make?
 
lxskllr said:
Trucks are way fun to drive if you use them appropriately. Pickups make a great portable house, and will take you far from civilization on interesting offroad excursions.

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I've never been in the market for Toyota, but I wouldn't let the latest recalls affect my decision if I were. All cars fuck up on occasion, Toyota's fixing the problem, so what difference does it make?
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Ewww... I would rather drive a Wrangler, Hummer, FJ Cruiser, Land Cruiser or similar. :awe:
 
MJinZ said:
Ewww... I would rather drive a Wrangler, Hummer, FJ Cruiser, Land Cruiser or similar. :awe:
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Hummer's can go to hell, but I might be with you on the rest. Pickups are neat cause of the big bed though. You have a huge blank canvas that can be anything you want it to be. I like the unlimited possibility that comes with a pickup, and the old school spartan style.
 
MJinZ said:
Now if Toyota kept the FT-86 name through instead of the Celica to final production, there would be even more fanboys buying those things up.
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I'm likely a bit older than you and 10 years ago, I'd be right there with you, now I've given up on the next big thing, and just own what works for me, it's all paid for too 🙂
 
lxskllr said:
Hummer's can go to hell, but I might be with you on the rest. Pickups are neat cause of the big bed though. You have a huge blank canvas that can be anything you want it to be. I like the unlimited possibility that comes with a pickup, and the old school spartan style.
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A huge blank canvas that is exposed to everything.
 
Speaking of utility vehicles.... Some of the last Durangos(do they make them anymore?) were starting to look an awful lot like minivans. It always puzzled me why they didn't go the extra step, and make a minivan on a real truck chassis. A big 4wd suv with a sliding door would be super useful, both for homeowners, and contractors.
 
I would not buy a Toyota. The main reason is because they still haven't come clean about the true problem. It's a software issue. Do some more research and you'll find out that many of the reported problems with sudden accelleration were on models that have not been recalled. I wouldn't trust a company that would sit on a massive problem like this and then continue to lie about it.
 
lxskllr said:
Speaking of utility vehicles.... Some of the last Durangos(do they make them anymore?) were starting to look an awful lot like minivans. It always puzzled me why they didn't go the extra step, and make a minivan on a real truck chassis. A big 4wd suv with a sliding door would be super useful, both for homeowners, and contractors.
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They basically did for a while. The Safari and Astro vans were built on truck frames, were pretty much the largest thing you could get that was technically still a minivan, had a decent AWD option and has lift kits available if you want larger tires and more clearance.
 
Ive owned 3 Miatas:

A beautiful 1993 model owned in 1998

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A brand new 2001

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A brand new 2003 (pictured with my nephew and his wife)

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I can vouch for them being fun. I couldnt stop buying them at one point. :'(
 
Perception changed since the recall? Not so much.
Their reputation for durability and longevity wasn't touched by the pedal issue. That's more of a design glitch, perhaps in the initial quality category. I've been planning to buy another Toyota, but I'm looking to avoid drive-by-wire and wasbefore the pedal recall. Guess I'll have to stay away from the current generation Toyotas in that case.
 
Engineer said:
Shit like this brings both Toyota and the government lower in my eyes (and the government is already lower than a snake).
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I came here to post that exact link.

I've never been a Toyota fan or owner. I just don't fit right in any that I've tried on, EXCEPT the Yaris 3-door...and it was like sitting in a sardine can for me. I'm tall in the torso, so either I have trouble getting in the door without having to "fold myself in half," or I hit my head on the roof when I finally get in the dammed thing. (I have the same "roof" problem in most BMW's with sunroofs.)

When this first came out, I too thought "bad design flaw, kudos to them for trying to fix the problem."

Then stories like this started coming out...about how Toyota has known about some of these problems for years and has done everything possible to keep them from coming to light, to keep them from getting recalled, and to keep foisting the blame on the owners.

I hope stories like this bring a ton of heat as well as fines and penalties down upon them.
Profit is fine...as long as it's not at the cost of product safety.
 
BoomerD said:
I came here to post that exact link.

I've never been a Toyota fan or owner. I just don't fit right in any that I've tried on, EXCEPT the Yaris 3-door...and it was like sitting in a sardine can for me. I'm tall in the torso, so either I have trouble getting in the door without having to "fold myself in half," or I hit my head on the roof when I finally get in the dammed thing. (I have the same "roof" problem in most BMW's with sunroofs.)

When this first came out, I too thought "bad design flaw, kudos to them for trying to fix the problem."

Then stories like this started coming out...about how Toyota has known about some of these problems for years and has done everything possible to keep them from coming to light, to keep them from getting recalled, and to keep foisting the blame on the owners.

I hope stories like this bring a ton of heat as well as fines and penalties down upon them.
Profit is fine...as long as it's not at the cost of product safety.
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Awesome, hope Toyota burns for this.
 
FeuerFrei said:
Perception changed since the recall? Not so much.
Their reputation for durability and longevity wasn't touched by the pedal issue. That's more of a design glitch, perhaps in the initial quality category. I've been planning to buy another Toyota, but I'm looking to avoid drive-by-wire and wasbefore the pedal recall. Guess I'll have to stay away from the current generation Toyotas in that case.
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Yea cus their quality has been declining for years before this recall. They're nothing close to how good they used to be.
 
I've never been a big fan of their cars, but I am a fan of the company. Recall or not, Toyota still makes great reliable automobiles. The bottom line will take a big hit because of the recall, but they'll bounce back within a few years. Chalk it up to a (very expensive) lesson learned for the company.
 
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