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Has your perception of Toyota changed?

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Nope, boring crappy overrated, same as before. My parents have had couple camarys go for over 200k km, but just about anything they drive will, the cars did great for mileage, over 900km per tank, but when you drive like old folks you get great mileage. Their customer service was actually pretty stellar, until they talked my old man into some snake oil anti rust 'magical box' and then refused to support their 'lifetime anti rust warranty'
 
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I have had a bunch of vehicles from different automakers (GM, Ford, Dodge, Toyota, Honda so far) and the 2 Toyota's I had were the lowest maintenance cost and lowest breakage per mile driven.

so to me anyway, Toyota is still fine. What makes me angry at Toyota is their apparent cover-up of the issues. I don't know how much of the issue is media fear mongering, I don't have all the facts yet. So for now, I reserve judgment.

Would I buy another Toyota tomorrow? I would consider them just like every other purchase I make. If the Toyota made the most sense, I would get it. If for some reason, the vehicle took off, I have confidence I would be able to stop it safely if it was required. *knock on wood* Once this is all over, I bet that Toyota will have the most examined and tested drive by wire system on earth with the exception of some planes.
 
My perception really hasn't because of the latest news.

I lost a little respect for Toyota when I purchased my 2005 Tacoma. I love the truck...it has been very reliable...but it just wasn't put together with the car that my '92 Camry was. The Camry was a beast...felt like new 10 years later. My truck does not. It is a truck...so that is part of it (Body on Frame...lots more squeaks, etc). But there were a number of fit and finish quality issues that have nothing to do with it being a truck.

I'd still buy another Toyota (very good chance I'd buy another Tacoma if something were to happen to my current one)...but I don't have nearly the high regard I had of Toyota that my '92 Camry had previously left me with.

Other than the Tacoma, Prius, or 4Runner...nothing in Toyota's lineup interests me in the least. If the FT86 comes out...that might be interesting.
 
considering now they are saying Toyoda lied to investigators and got them to beleive it was the floor mats when they knew it wasnt (a internal memo).


yeah it has changed.
 
From Wikipedia (cites LA Times):

On August 28, 2009, a two-car collision killed four people riding in a Lexus dealer provided loaner ES 350 in San Diego, California.[14][15][16] The NHTSA released a safety investigation report on October 25, finding that the accident vehicle was wrongly fitted with all-weather rubber floor mats meant for the RX 400h SUV, and that these mats were not secured by either of the two retaining clips.[17] The brake hardware also showed signs of heavy braking consistent with a stuck accelerator pedal.[17] The report stated that the accelerator pedal's hinge did not allow relieving obstructions, the loss of vacuum power assist at full throttle increased stopping distances fivefold, and the dashboard lacked directions for the three-second emergency press of the push button keyless ignition. NHTSA investigators also recovered the accident vehicle's accelerator pedal, which was still "bonded" to the SUV floor mat.[17]

Another investigation conducted by the San Diego County Sheriff's Department found that three days prior to the crash another customer had complained to the dealership about the floor mat trapping the same loaner car's accelerator pedal while driving.[18] The prior driver had switched to neutral and tugged on the floor mat, which released the accelerator.[18]
 
From Wikipedia (cites LA Times):

On August 28, 2009, a two-car collision killed four people riding in a Lexus dealer provided loaner ES 350 in San Diego, California.[14][15][16] The NHTSA released a safety investigation report on October 25, finding that the accident vehicle was wrongly fitted with all-weather rubber floor mats meant for the RX 400h SUV, and that these mats were not secured by either of the two retaining clips.[17] The brake hardware also showed signs of heavy braking consistent with a stuck accelerator pedal.[17] The report stated that the accelerator pedal's hinge did not allow relieving obstructions, the loss of vacuum power assist at full throttle increased stopping distances fivefold, and the dashboard lacked directions for the three-second emergency press of the push button keyless ignition. NHTSA investigators also recovered the accident vehicle's accelerator pedal, which was still "bonded" to the SUV floor mat.[17]

Another investigation conducted by the San Diego County Sheriff's Department found that three days prior to the crash another customer had complained to the dealership about the floor mat trapping the same loaner car's accelerator pedal while driving.[18] The prior driver had switched to neutral and tugged on the floor mat, which released the accelerator.[18]

So much for California State Police training. After tragedies like these, you'd think it would alert someone at the State Training facilities to teach their cops how to perform under emergency situations.
 
considering now they are saying Toyoda lied to investigators and got them to beleive it was the floor mats when they knew it wasnt (a internal memo).


yeah it has changed.

Yep. They've now turned it into a criminal investigation. Not good.
 
My opinion of Toyota has only improved in the wake of the recalls. I had no idea until now that they were setting a new standard for truth in advertising with their slogan "Toyota: Moving Forwards." Although I guess they really should have included the word "Uncontrollably" in there somewhere. Still, kudos to a company for finally telling us the truth about their products!
 
Now they're thinking like an American car company. Save millions now, but it will cost them more down the road.

Their quality has been declining like the American car companies as well since they got huge. It's just something that seems to happen to these huge #1 car companies. They drop quality and skimp on every dollar.
 
While it's likely that there are similar documents floating around the halls of every major automaker.

I'm sure Ford and GM have plenty of secrets also. Toyota is just getting a lot of unwanted attention because of those recalls.

Now you are killing yourself AND the economy....keep up the great work!

And when you say they are destroying the economy, as a matter of fact, most Toyotas are built in the USA, helping support American jobs. Furthermore, GM and Ford are the ones who export their cars to be assembled in Mexico. Both the Cadillac CTS-V and Pontiac G8 (one of the best GM vehicles to date) have engines assembled in Mexico.
 
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I'm sure Ford and GM have plenty of secrets they are hiding. Toyota is just getting a lot of unwanted attention because of those recalls.

And when you say they are destroying the economy, as a matter of fact, most Toyotas are built in the USA, helping support American jobs. Furthermore, GM and Ford are the ones who export their cars to be produced in Mexico. Both the Cadillac CTS-V and Pontiac G8 (one of the best GM vehicles to date) have engines assembled in Mexico.

Finally, this should be in the garage. Next time learn your facts OP.

Oooh. So much devotion that it hurts.
 
I'm sure Ford and GM have plenty of secrets they are hiding. Toyota is just getting a lot of unwanted attention because of those recalls.

And when you say they are destroying the economy, as a matter of fact, most Toyotas are built in the USA, helping support American jobs. Furthermore, GM and Ford are the ones who export their cars to be produced in Mexico. Both the Cadillac CTS-V and Pontiac G8 (one of the best GM vehicles to date) have engines assembled in Mexico.

Finally, this should be in the garage. Next time learn your facts OP.

I was hoping that someone like you would come in here and tell me to get the facts straight. You sound like you are in denial. I also did not see one mention of the safety hazard that has been synonymous with Toyota in your post. I suppose it doesn't matter since the people who died as a result are no big deal to you.

If this was Ford, I would have still said posted the same topic, albeit a different blurb.
 
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Already have one Toyota blunder thread in OT, and that is enough. Thread merge!

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I was hoping that someone like you would come in here and tell me to get the facts straight.

Now you are killing yourself AND the economy....keep up the great work!

Thats what I thought sounded kinda ignorant and I wanted to correct that for you. Thats all.

Its a globalized world. If Toyota collapsed, many Americans would loose their jobs. IMO, loosing jobs is not good for the economy 🙂 .
 
Thats what I thought sounded kinda ignorant and I wanted to correct that for you. Thats all.

Its a globalized world. If Toyota collapsed, many Americans would loose their jobs. Loosing jobs is not good for the economy.

It was a play on words and fairly in line with people (on this board) who are going to come in and say "I told you so, buy American."

I have no issues with you. I'm just trying to make a point about the safety issues and continued horrible decision making of people in this country.
 
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