Has the TSA found any terrorists?

[K6]

Until people realize that our safety is more important than offending someone that wants to kill us, we are all screwed.

I think the best solution is just having none that wants to kill you.

The best way to solve a problem is to solve the root , not to filter the output

In this way you can save a lot of money and a lot of time

 

[boomerang]

I think the best solution is just having none that wants to kill you.

The best way to solve a problem is to solve the root , not to filter the output

In this way you can save a lot of money and a lot of time

Do you think this is achievable? Radicals read in a holy book that infidels must be killed. They interpret this not as ancient writings that no longer have the same context in modern society but as a dictum that must be followed.

How would you change this?

 

[K6]

Do you think this is achievable? Radicals read in a holy book that infidels must be killed. They interpret this not as ancient writings that no longer have the same context in modern society but as a dictum that must be followed.

How would you change this?

Is not so hard to change , it just need a little of education and some redistribution of of the money.

Think about a poor man , he lost his children becuse a "smart bomb" missed the target , he just know that someone is stealing his "oil" ... if an old crazy man tell him to jump on a plane with a bomb he probably will do it.


Now think at the same man that have internet , read wikipedia daily , owns his very small small oil factory and sell the oil on his e-commerce website.... now the same old crazy man tell him to jump on a plane with a bomb because is written in a 2000 years old book .... do you think the man will leave his business , his family just to follow a crazy 2000 years old book ?



People do desperate action when they have nothing to loose , if someone have a life , have a business , have a family he will never do strange thing.

 

[MotF Bane]

My "assumption" was hyperbole, exaggeration, and sarcasm at that. They've caught no one, but have inconvenienced millions of passengers & confiscated millions of dollars worth of items from passengers.

Oops, sorry. Time for me to buy a new sarcasm meter.

 

[boomerang]

Is not so hard to change , it just need a little of education and some redistribution of of the money.

You lost me right there - forever.

 

[bamacre]

I love how all the righties have discovered the 4th ammendment now that Rush has turned it into an anti Obama talking point.

I like how all the lefties have forgotten all civil liberties now that the Republicans remembered them.

I sincerely agree with you. If it will get the know nothings to finally realize we are living in the midst of a police state, I say halleluyah!!!!!

Yes, but now that the righties have climbed on board, those on the left jumped ship.

 

[K6]

You lost me right there - forever.

redistribution means pointing the business to small local business (3-50 employees) and to improve B2B (business 2 business) market

I know that smaller factory are somehow less efficient but they can adapt faster to the changing market so with an economical network based on small and medium business will be hard to have thing like the current economic crisis because the economical model can adapt much faster to changes.

let me give 2 example:

traditional way:
Boeing get many million from us company (tax) for building a B2 bomber , after the war you can have the oil at cheap price , but with a lot risk about terrorism and a lot of economical and logistical problem (import export security check = tax money wasted )


a less traditional way is to have american company buying directly the oil from many small oil company in competicion each other to offer the best price on the market.

I think the second way can be cheaper and help the business to save time and money and also create a lot of new market ( to a poor iraqui person you cannot sell anything , to a rich iraqui person you can sella a car , a playstation , an Ipad and so on)

After all I see more business value in the second way because you can create new market and new work force

 

[Jhhnn]

Serious question. and How long have they been checking?

You can't catch the boogeyman.

The window of opportunity to use airliners as weapons closed the same day it was exploited, and the ability to stop people willing to die for their cause never will be.

Plan A- Board an airplane with sufficient explosives to knock it out of the sky.

Plan B- Detonate the charge in the crowd waiting at the security checkpoint if discovered.

The effect on air travel would be precisely the same, other than the destruction of 1 airplane.

It seems clear that no such attempt has been made. The underwear bomber was a dupe, a sacrifice, a publicity stunt- the device he carried was incapable of detonation.

 

[Darwin333]

Yes, but now that the righties have climbed on board, those on the left jumped ship.

Aint that irony for ya? I will say we have made definite improvement though as not ALL lefties jumped ship but a good number have. Its all bullshit partisan politics, they just agree with their side when its in power and disagree with the other side when they are in power, rights be damned. That goes for both sides btw, bigtime.

 

[Darwin333]

You can't catch the boogeyman.

The window of opportunity to use airliners as weapons closed the same day it was exploited, and the ability to stop people willing to die for their cause never will be.

Plan A- Board an airplane with sufficient explosives to knock it out of the sky.

Plan B- Detonate the charge in the crowd waiting at the security checkpoint if discovered.

The effect on air travel would be precisely the same, other than the destruction of 1 airplane.

I agree except with the last sentence. How many days did it take to get water to the Superdome? I highly doubt that they will have the "crime scene" cleaned up, and the security checkpoint up and running within a week. That would effectively shut down that terminal and if its at a major airport we are talking about insane effects on air travel.

It seems clear that no such attempt has been made. The underwear bomber was a dupe, a sacrifice, a publicity stunt- the device he carried was incapable of detonation.

The really weird thing is how the hell did he make it on the plane in the first place? Wasn't he escorted around security in the first place? Then allowed, by one of our government officials, to board a plane without a passport. To add some icing to the cake wasn't he on the terrorist watch list and didn't his own father report him as being a danger to the US?

How the hell does all of that happen at one time and the guy just happens to have a bomb under his nuts that didn't work?

 

[3chordcharlie]

I agree except with the last sentence. How many days did it take to get water to the Superdome? I highly doubt that they will have the "crime scene" cleaned up, and the security checkpoint up and running within a week. That would effectively shut down that terminal and if its at a major airport we are talking about insane effects on air travel.

A plane successfully blown out of the sky, and conclusively the result of terrorist action defeating security measures is likely to ground all air traffic for as long as cleaning up a security checkpoint would take. See: 9/11

The really weird thing is how the hell did he make it on the plane in the first place? Wasn't he escorted around security in the first place? Then allowed, by one of our government officials, to board a plane without a passport. To add some icing to the cake wasn't he on the terrorist watch list and didn't his own father report him as being a danger to the US?

How the hell does all of that happen at one time and the guy just happens to have a bomb under his nuts that didn't work?

The only certainty is that this could not possibly have been a way to present a 'success story' in the media that would actually make people more afraid, and more willing to surrender what's left of their rights and privacy.

 

[irishScott]

Not even close in power and corporate backing. And you seem to ignore the point that it's TSA's call. Piece of work? Details? Your point?

So your entire post can be summed up as: "Republicans bad." Thanks for that. You get a GOLD STAR!!! A GOLD FUCKING STAR!!! On your FOREHEAD! Congrats.

 

[JSt0rm]

Is not so hard to change , it just need a little of education and some redistribution of of the money.

Think about a poor man , he lost his children becuse a "smart bomb" missed the target , he just know that someone is stealing his "oil" ... if an old crazy man tell him to jump on a plane with a bomb he probably will do it.


Now think at the same man that have internet , read wikipedia daily , owns his very small small oil factory and sell the oil on his e-commerce website.... now the same old crazy man tell him to jump on a plane with a bomb because is written in a 2000 years old book .... do you think the man will leave his business , his family just to follow a crazy 2000 years old book ?



People do desperate action when they have nothing to loose , if someone have a life , have a business , have a family he will never do strange thing.

^^^ this.

We think we can meddle in the business of the world with no consequence. Well here we are. neocons and chicken hawks.

 

[al981]

Do you think this is achievable? Radicals read in a holy book that infidels must be killed. They interpret this not as ancient writings that no longer have the same context in modern society but as a dictum that must be followed.

How would you change this?

sure. apologize for your foreign policy. coups / overthrowing democracies / assasinations / military bases / stealing oil, etc. then get out.

otherwise, enjoy your police state! and quit complaining!

 

[Darwin333]

A plane successfully blown out of the sky, and conclusively the result of terrorist action defeating security measures is likely to ground all air traffic for as long as cleaning up a security checkpoint would take. See: 9/11

9/11 had multiple aircraft involved and they were used as missiles. That is vastly different than a single plane falling from the sky and it is vastly easier to blow the hell out of the terminal security of half a dozen major hubs at the same time then it is to blow up a single plane.

The only certainty is that this could not possibly have been a way to present a 'success story' in the media that would actually make people more afraid, and more willing to surrender what's left of their rights and privacy.

It "certainly" did cause them to rush the scanners in place. Who was it again that used to hold a high level job that sort of had just a little bit to do with the conversation that is now profiting off of it?

Like I said, I am not a conspiracy theorist, not a truther, not a birther or any of that other crap. I believe that it is most likely pure incompetence but it sure is a hard argument to make when you consider all of the facts.

 

[Darwin333]

Is not so hard to change , it just need a little of education and some redistribution of of the money.

Think about a poor man , he lost his children becuse a "smart bomb" missed the target , he just know that someone is stealing his "oil" ... if an old crazy man tell him to jump on a plane with a bomb he probably will do it.


Now think at the same man that have internet , read wikipedia daily , owns his very small small oil factory and sell the oil on his e-commerce website.... now the same old crazy man tell him to jump on a plane with a bomb because is written in a 2000 years old book .... do you think the man will leave his business , his family just to follow a crazy 2000 years old book ?



People do desperate action when they have nothing to loose , if someone have a life , have a business , have a family he will never do strange thing.

Are you suggesting that we take all of the oil fields from foreign lands by force and give them to the residents?

Otherwise, how does one in SA acquire an "oil factory"?

 

[BoberFett]

I love how all the righties have discovered the 4th ammendment now that Rush has turned it into an anti Obama talking point.

I love how all you lefties have decided it's not really that important now that a Democrat is in the White House.

 

[JSt0rm]

I love how all you lefties have decided it's not really that important now that a Democrat is in the White House.

Not true. I dont support any of these things.

 

[DesiPower]

Yes, I too blame obama for the fail of tsa.

I blame Bush, its a Bush's fault

 

[Scotteq]

Serious question. and How long have they been checking?

Checking Google and Bing - The only 'Successes' Ive found are stories about people fighting against the TSA.


Checking the TSA Website:

TSA Week at a Glance: 11/22/10 through 11/28/10

- 7 artfully concealed prohibited items found at checkpoints
- 14 firearms found at checkpoints
- 6 passengers were arrested after investigations of suspicious behavior or fraudulent travel documents

I do not see a ready source of compiled successes on their site.

 

[werepossum]

You lost me right there - forever.

Agree totally. Looking at the 9/11 terrorists, they were middle class and comparatively well educated. One of the problems in wealthier Arab states (especially Saudi Arabia) is that the men find it beneath them to actually do work, so they get degrees in religion (meaning Islam.) With no work they likely find it difficult to feel relevant, and they have lots of free time; combined with their basis in Islam, this leaves them more predisposed to be terrorists. These people have money, and they have Internet; they use both to murder people who are trying to earn a living.