Has the Republican Party sowed the seeds of its own complete destruction?

[Muse]

Some months before the 2016 General I opined over dinner that Donald Trump was destroying the R Party. I don't see where I was wrong in that. What's left? They bought the Big Lie. They refused to approve the two impeachments of DJT. They've rejected the few of their own that publicly confessed to the party's sins.

I've never voted for a Republican in my life and figure I never will. If the R party dies, something else has to emerge because one party major dominance isn't healthy. Maybe rank choice voting would revise the outlook. That and the elimination of the electoral college.

Liz Cheney is suggesting in a piece that's appeared at The New York Times what I've been thinking for quite a while: A new major party may/should emerge.

Here's a link to Liz Cheney's just published piece that will penetrate the paywall for the next 2 weeks, i.e. until Oct. 5, 2024:

Liz Cheney Suggests a New Political Party May Be Needed

Ms. Cheney, a longtime Republican, said that the G.O.P. “has rejected the Constitution in the name of supporting Trump” and that Mike Johnson should not be speaker.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Indus]

IMHO the news of their demise has been very exaggerated.

And they have a 6-3 court.. they're not going anywhere for a while

 

[Jaskalas]

• Republicans hold control of the House.
• Democrats barely hold the Senate.
• The SCOTUS is activist right wing.
• The White House is hanging on by a very close election thread.

What destruction are we talking about?
I hoped 2020 would see the sort of backlash, election losses, and political destruction you speak of. It never showed.

Maybe this is a topic best served after this election, but I dare say anyone on the cusp of multiple majorities is NOT destroyed.


Now, if you are talking more philosophically, rather than materially, then sure.
Any and all Reaganites or Bushies have been firmly cast aside and shoved out of the way for the new religion to worship the Cheeto.
Nothing remains of the Republican Party, that which existed before 2016 has meta-morphed into MAGA. A virulent Nazi style threat not just to us, but the entire free and civilized world.
In that way, material destruction is coming, but that can still be a long journey ahead. It was for the Germans.

 

[mikeymikec]

IMO two things might happen if the GQP self-destructs (which I think would happen only if the Dems win by an absolutely humiliating landslide, with many notable GQP guys being out of a job):

1 - A new "not the GQP" party is virtually immediately formed by GQP people and *probably* be a bit more moderate / compatible / likely to win votes. They would still need a front man though which is tricky; it can't be a notable Trump disciple for obvious reasons.

2 - The Dems split in the not-too-distant future and become two parties, one more conservative, the other more progressive.

 

[Indus]

• Republicans hold control of the House.
• Democrats barely hold the Senate.
• The SCOTUS is activist right wing.
• The White House is hanging on by a very close election thread.

What destruction are we talking about?
I hoped 2020 would see the sort of backlash, election losses, and political destruction you speak of. It never showed.

Maybe this is a topic best served after this election, but I dare say anyone on the cusp of multiple majorities is NOT destroyed.


Now, if you are talking more philosophically, rather than materially, then sure.
Any and all Reaganites or Bushies have been firmly cast aside and shoved out of the way for the new religion to worship the Cheeto.
Nothing remains of the Republican Party, that which existed before 2016 has meta-morphed into MAGA. A virulent Nazi style threat not just to us, but the entire free and civilized world.
In that way, material destruction is coming, but that can still be a long journey ahead. It was for the Germans.

Sadly with politics it seems you mostly seem to get worse politicians not better ones.

I'm amazed I've seen 3 good politicians over the last 15 years..

1. Obama who's mom died to lack of health insurance.. managed to fix pre-existing conditions in healthcare with obamacare/ the affordable care act.

2. Walz seems a lot more authentic and genuine about protecting the working poor/ middle class than the billionaires/ corporations

3. Biden seems to genuinely care about American manufacturing especially semiconductor chips domestically and not in China

And compared to those 3 we have Republicans who openly does Russia's bidding and weakening us every which way possible.


Beau in one of his videos used to hold out for hope that Gen Z would be our savior and they'll all be able to vote in 2030 so we need to hold out till then.

 

[Indus]

IMO two things might happen if the GQP self-destructs.

2 - The Dems split in the not-too-distant future and become two parties, one more conservative, the other more progressive.

Second is already happening.. don't kid yourself the dems have had a lot of people go full Trump..

 

[gothuevos]

Destroying the party? They are in a decent spot to win the presidency and Senate, and already control most state legislatures and governor's mansions. Gingrich's long game paying off for them

 

[Roger Wilco]

Destroying the party? They are in a decent spot to win the presidency and Senate, and already control most state legislatures and governor's mansions. Gingrich's long game paying off for them

So that’s a “yes” from you, Mr anti-Nostradamus.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

'Pubs have been pushing for a new 'old style' 'Pub party since '17. Nothing has appeared.

The GQP has an above average chance of taking all three again and several states. It's far from close to destruction.

 

[Moonbeam]

We create what we fear. Conservatives are animated by fear. All that is needed is time.

 

[gothuevos]

So that’s a “yes” from you, Mr anti-Nostradamus.

What did I say that was incorrect?

Hell, I didn't even mention the 6-3 SCOTUS, which is currently the most runaway powerful institution in the country.

Who's the one getting destroyed here?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

IMHO the news of their demise has been very exaggerated.

And they have a 6-3 court.. they're not going anywhere for a while

This.
What they are doing is working.

 

[feralkid]

This.
What they are doing is working.

 

[Roger Wilco]

What did I say that was incorrect?

Hell, I didn't even mention the 6-3 SCOTUS, which is currently the most runaway powerful institution in the country.

Who's the one getting destroyed here?

When did I say your post said anything correct or incorrect?

Someone is getting destroyed?

I am commenting on your utter failure to predict anything accurately.

 

[kage69]

Time isn't on their side, and telling 51% of the population they can't be trusted to have a say over their own bodies is no path to success.

 

[Indus]

Time isn't on their side, and telling 51% of the population they can't be trusted to have a say over their own bodies is no path to success.

Except a good 40% of that 51% is with them..

Don't forget Felice Schlafly and people like her.. and there are lots of them!

 

[cytg111]

Destruction of gop, new conservative party, scotus reform, thats an offramp for me on us politics... Please for the love of "god"

 

[eelw]

Moscow Mitch has plenty of conservative policy bills under his belt. But he didn’t want to be known as the majority leader that impeached their own president. Imagine how much difference for the Republican party these past 3.5 years without the orange monkey still screwing up the GOP.

 

[BoomerD]

• Republicans hold control of the House.
• Democrats barely hold the Senate.
• The SCOTUS is activist right wing.
• The White House is hanging on by a very close election thread.

What destruction are we talking about?
I hoped 2020 would see the sort of backlash, election losses, and political destruction you speak of. It never showed.

Maybe this is a topic best served after this election, but I dare say anyone on the cusp of multiple majorities is NOT destroyed.


Now, if you are talking more philosophically, rather than materially, then sure.
Any and all Reaganites or Bushies have been firmly cast aside and shoved out of the way for the new religion to worship the Cheeto.
Nothing remains of the Republican Party, that which existed before 2016 has meta-morphed into MAGA. A virulent Nazi style threat not just to us, but the entire free and civilized world.
In that way, material destruction is coming, but that can still be a long journey ahead. It was for the Germans.

Today's Republican party is nothing like the Republican party of yesteryear. Then again, the Democrat party of today is not very much like the Democrat party before JFK. Someplace in between the 30s and the 60s I think...the two parties swapped positions on may issues.

The Great Switch: How Republicans and Democrats Flipped Ideologies

An overview of the realignment of the Republican Party and Democratic Party and how they flipped ideologies of liberal and conservative over the course of US History.

www.studentsofhistory.com

 

[trenchfoot]

• Republicans hold control of the House.
• Democrats barely hold the Senate.
• The SCOTUS is activist right wing.
• The White House is hanging on by a very close election thread.

What destruction are we talking about?
I hoped 2020 would see the sort of backlash, election losses, and political destruction you speak of. It never showed.

Maybe this is a topic best served after this election, but I dare say anyone on the cusp of multiple majorities is NOT destroyed.


Now, if you are talking more philosophically, rather than materially, then sure.
Any and all Reaganites or Bushies have been firmly cast aside and shoved out of the way for the new religion to worship the Cheeto.
Nothing remains of the Republican Party, that which existed before 2016 has meta-morphed into MAGA. A virulent Nazi style threat not just to us, but the entire free and civilized world.
In that way, material destruction is coming, but that can still be a long journey ahead. It was for the Germans.

That right there effectively illustrates the striking similarity of the despotic allure that both Hitler and Trump rely/relied on to elevate themselves into the highest offices of their lands and (hopefully for Trump) ironically proceeded to destroy their and their followers grip on power by the very mysterious abilities that allowed both to seize power to begin with.

 

[kage69]

Except a good 40% of that 51% is with them..

Don't forget Felice Schlafly and people like her.. and there are lots of them!

Tell that to GenZ.

The percentage I posted is a fact (51.1% technically). Where did yours come from?

I'd say don't forget eeyore over there. We already have a resident doom and gloomer for the embrace of maga FUD and shitting of pants

 

[Indus]

Tell that to GenZ.

The percentage I posted is a fact (51.1% technically). Where did yours come from?

I'd say don't forget eeyore over there. We already have a resident doom and gloomer for the embrace of maga FUD and shitting of pants

My gen.. Gen X is the trumpiest (no wonder I feel shame and call myself a xennial).

As far as doom and gloom.. think we're already there as we have our heads up our asses.. I'd sure like to get on the right path though but I don't see anyway through with a 6-3 court and them being hell bent on going full fascism.

 

[VRAMdemon]

This was happening before Trump. Let's not forget decades of pre-Trump Republican backstabbing and ratfuckery. Trump just set it into overdrive. Trump Destroys everything he touches - marriages, political parties, businesses. I'd like someone to tell me what exactly is "conservative" about Trump. All the actual conservative Republicans left are called commie liberals by the dumb, angry white dudes who have no political beliefs other than liking belonging to a cult. It's hard to understand how or why the GOP is spending huge money to fly around a nutjob who will do one thing, kill the party and it's long history.

The Republican establishment has lost any voice or leadership roles due to cowardice and power. A tidal wave of Trumpian populism has overtaken them. The political middle ground in the party has turned to sand. IMO, the very small "middle" is still there, they just no longer have anywhere to go. The Republican party has become an unholy union of Capitalism and Christianity and it's taken the worst traits of both and created a belief system based on materialism and a false sense of superiority. There is nothing more dangerous than rich snobs who think a deity rewards hatred and greed and punishes bad people with poverty.

 

[kage69]

My gen.. Gen X is the trumpiest (no wonder I feel shame and call myself a xennial).

As far as doom and gloom.. think we're already there as we have our heads up our asses.. I'd sure like to get on the right path though but I don't see anyway through with a 6-3 court and them being hell bent on going full fascism.

So, personal anecdotal percentage then? The doom and gloomers have been wrong every election since The Fuckening, though the corrupt SCROTUS is also a worry of mine I will admit. Uncle Thomas and Alito in particular, given they've thrown in with Team Treason so utterly.

The Harris/Walz campaign seems to be doing pretty damn good, both are enjoying the kind of enthusiasm and support that gives Trump and repugs nightmares. I don't think they're as bad off as you claim, at all.

Meanwhile, Vance the sad failure in eye liner has nothing to talk about but made up stories about immigrants, while Trump is in hiding after Kamala the bad lady kept stomping his little mushroom like a spent cigarette.

We'll see, but I expect an enraged chunk of America to deliver a crushing stomp to Team Treason in Nov, sticking to my guns. This country is far more important than keeping a crook out of a much deserved trip to prison, and I'm hoping that gets us at least 7-2 if they try and pull a Florida.

 

[Stokely]

Trump didn't destroy the party.

He just continued the trend that was happening and he did it without the veneer of dog-whistling that the others before him still kept up. Basically he's just a rude ass who doesn't give a shit when he says what they all wish they could say out loud. It's why all the rednecks love him.

Trump didn't vote himself into office, the American people did. You want to find a culprit for how batshit insane the GOP is right now, look mostly in every rural town in America. All the "like a rock" people have latched onto a New York city gilded grifter as a savior. Cracks me up to see all the blue collar people who bust their ass to make ends meet glorify a fraudulent sack of crap who has never worked a day of honest labor in his life, and who considers anyone who does so a loser. Trump and the GOP spearhead tax "reform" that rewards gazillionaires, while continuing to spout fearful rhetoric about immigrants and trans people as a distraction. And it works.

If "reasonable conservatives" wanted Trump out, they could have at least attempted to run him out. Look at most if not all of the people that go against him: you'll see "former" by their names for a reason. These people know the crazy rube base will primary their ass if the go against the grand poobah.

Trump will die at some point and then they'll go back to "mildly polite" but with the same shitty policies they've been pursuing for decades.