Has Liberalism Jumped the Shark?

[PJABBER]

I am getting ready to go out for an hour or two of BTTW bicycling, need the workout and definitely need some fresh air and sunshine.

Before I step away, I wanted to pose a question to all of my friends here...

Are the events of the last 60 days an indication that the recent anomalous surge in liberalism has reached its peak and the only way to go now is down? Where scary things like tea parties, Glenn Beck and the Blue Dogs await them?

I am in very good humor today.The double espresso was good (I grind my own beans, still thinking about roasting) and strong (I almost made a latte, then stopped and said naaaaah,) the kids are away for the weekend and it is just me and these lingering thoughts of a conservative or even maybe libertarian resurgence gathering steam...

Has Liberalism Jumped the Shark?
by Leigh Scott

The term ?Jump the Shark? has been with us for a while. The clever metaphor is used for the moment when something of cultural significance begins to lose its luster, and descends into lameness. It is a reference to the T.V. show ?Happy Days,? specifically the episode when Fonzie water skied over shark infested waters. This is the precise moment where the show began to decline.

Republicans and conservatives are dancing with glee every time a new poll comes out showing Obama?s poll numbers going down faster than a Hilton (Perez or Paris) after a nice dinner and a couple of cocktails. The support for things like Universal Health Care, closing Gitmo, and Cap and Trade are sinking even faster. Yet, that?s not the whole story. Something else is going on here. Something that begs the question: Has Liberalism ?Jumped the Shark??

The Fonz
Ehhhh!
Ehhhh?

Over the last sixty days or so, we?ve seen some amazing things. We saw a ?wise Latina,? a self-described ?affirmative action baby? claim that her statements were taken out of context or merely ?meant to inspire,? and that race has nothing to do with her job performance. The White House has re-branded the $787 billion ?stimulus package? a ?stabilization package.? Our Vice-President, devious genius that he is, stated that we need to, ?crazy as it sounds,? spend like lunatics to avoid bankruptcy. A gay blogger and gay civil rights champion called a black guy ?the worst thing [he] could think of?a lovely human.? We saw our government allow Iranian protesters, who peacefully challenged a rigged election, get shot in the street. Concurrently, we demanded that a tin-pot dictator be reinstated after his government got wise to his schemes and legally booted him.

All of these little vignettes, as well as countless others over the last month or two, do not bold well for our little leftist friends. They are examples of liberalism in action, naked and unfiltered. They are the equivalent of an ?unforced error? in tennis. There is no opposition baiting these mistakes and revelations. This is in their own voices, not through the analysis of a Rush Limbaugh ?teachable moment,? a Glenn Beck meltdown, or Hotair.com ?quote of the day.?

It is liberalism unplugged, on display for all to see.

Identity politics, when viewed in its purest form, is racism. Keynesian economics, when distilled to its basic concepts, flies in the face of common sense. Re-branding political policy doesn?t change its ultimate effectiveness. Hypocrites are hypocrites regardless of the causes they support, or claim to champion. The U.S. should not be about ?nuance? when it comes to foreign policy. We must always stand on the side of freedom and democracy.

For the first time in a long time even a casual observer can clearly see what modern liberalism is all about.

The Underwear Gnomes

In an episode of ?South Park? the boys encounter the Underwear Gnomes. They are a society of magical little creatures who steal your underwear in the middle of the night. When the boys ask the Gnomes about their motivation, they explain that they are doing it for ?profit.? The first step is to steal underpants. The third step is profit. When pressed about the second step there is only silence. The Gnomes don?t know how to transform the stolen underwear into profit, but they continue to steal it anyway. They work tirelessly, stealing underpants in their quest for profit. But without that second step, they will get nothing. Hmmm, what does that sound like? Great goals, but no solid plan of getting there? That?s modern liberalism. It?s an ideology that lacks principles No step two. To make matters worse, most of the very mechanisms of liberalism (unions, racially segregated interest groups, attacks on capitalism) act counter intuitively to its goals.

I say its ?jumped the shark? because, without a strong set of timeless principals to guide it, this political ideology is a fad. It?s had a lot of great, good looking, and popular spokespeople. Last November it had an awesome ad campaign (one so good, Pepsi apparently felt the need to steal it). It?s all style and no substance. And like the Spice Girls, Beany Babies, Cabbage Patch Kids, and the leisure suit it is destined to fade into obscurity.

Young people, you know those folks who haven?t lived as much as you but know better than you, have always been the bread and butter of hippie liberalism. But they have a very short attention span, especially the kids today. During the election, they were all about it. But now they are really into Adam Lambert and ?Twilight?. Obama and Co. had hoped that the kids would stay in the mix, using the twitter and the Facebook to keep it real and spread their positive message of nationalization of private industry and wealth redistribution. Sadly, the kids have chucked Obama into the virtual trash bin, right next to the video of the Ally McBeal dancing baby.

Troll traffic on conservative sites is down. Look at Facebook, MySpace, YouTube etc. The number of political postings supporting hippie liberalism is almost non-existent. Even more remarkable, the message boards and postings on non-political sites is trending libertarian and conservative when political topics come up. Perhaps most humorous of all, the State Run Media has failed to make any recent conservative ?scandals? or ?revelations? stick. People just don?t care to hear it. They want results not more talk. Bush isn?t the president, Sarah Palin resigned, Rush Limbaugh isn?t backing down. Dare I say that people want to ?move on??

Make no mistake, they aren?t going to evaporate right away. Even ?Happy Days? went on for 100 episodes after the infamous moment (and we got two seasons of ?Joanie Loves Chachi?), but the end is nigh. At some point in the near future (probably in the lead up to the 2010 mid-terms) the pundit class is going to have to ask ?can the Democratic Party relate to voters?? Can the party of Howard Dean, the Daily Kos and Keith Olbermann remain relevant?

With the kids bouncing onto the next big thing, and without any real successes to point to, the hippie liberals are left with their usual crew: trial lawyers, race hustlers, and unions. There are a few hard-core ideologues out there, but the true, honest liberals who are all about those lofty goals will soon abandon the freak show assembled in Washington.

With hippie liberalism ?jumping the shark?, people are going to need a new fad. It has to be bold, fresh, and at least on paper, original. A new form of ?pop politics? will emerge. The good news for everyone, is that the Republicans ?jumped the shark? at some point in 2005. We are heading towards a whole new era in American politics.

Hopefully it will be more effective than this whole Pepsi, I mean Obama thing. I wonder what it may be?.

Has Liberalism Jumped the Shark?

 

[MrMatt]

I've always considered myself a liberal, but with the rise of Obama and his drove of slack-jawed retard followers I'm pretty much a moderate, or slightly liberal moderate at this point. The funny thing is, nowadays if you're a moderate, liberals consider you an extreme conservative, and conservatives consider you an extreme liberal. Our country is too polarized, there's these two extremes, with no happy medium anymore. So yeah, I think liberalism has not only jumped the shark, it's drowning in it's own self-righteous vomit.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: PJABBER
The good news for everyone, is that the Republicans ?jumped the shark? at some point in 2005.

 

[fskimospy]

I think it's really really hard to call what's been happening in America these days some form of extreme liberalism, hippie liberalism, or anything of the sort. Our political spectrum is pretty badly skewed to the right. (on a global scale the Democrats are a center right party)

EDIT: But no, it hasn't jumped the shark. The media simply doesn't have enough to talk about and so they try to invent trends that do not exist. Blame the 24 hour news cycle I guess?

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: PJABBER
The good news for everyone, is that the Republicans ?jumped the shark? at some point in 2005.

Might have hit bottom and bounced!

The Dead Cat Bounce

 

[Moonbeam]

Funny, while you see liberalism all I see is more of the same. But the real issue, I believe, is that Obama, while running for change, was handed the Bush disaster instead. All the effort of this administration is going, not into progress, but in saving us from drowning.

We are in the doldrums with nothing to do but bail. It was clear what would happen if we elected a disaster like Bush and now we pay the piper.

By the way, people are full of doubt because they hate themselves and the kind of pieces you post are there to sew more seeds of doubt. Hope will always be destroyed by power seekers who manipulate to stay in power. They have no hope and have replaced it with lust for money and control.

I am going to make some Folgers Instant in a few with milk and play some Warcraft and maybe have a piece of old bread. Then I'll go out and water my tomato.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: PJABBER
The good news for everyone, is that the Republicans ?jumped the shark? at some point in 2005.

Might have hit bottom and bounced!

The Dead Cat Bounce

Like a dead cat?

Good grief, now I see the link.

 

[PJABBER]

I am going to make some Folgers Instant in a few with milk and play some Warcraft and maybe have a piece of old bread. Then I'll go out and water my tomato.

You be da man!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Funny, while you see liberalism all I see is more of the same. But the real issue, I believe, is that Obama, while running for change, was handed the Bush disaster instead. All the effort of this administration is going, not into progress, but in saving us from drowning.

We are in the doldrums with nothing to do but bail. It was clear what would happen if we elected a disaster like Bush and now we pay the piper.

By the way, people are full of doubt because they hate themselves and the kind of pieces you post are there to sew more seeds of doubt. Hope will always be destroyed by power seekers who manipulate to stay in power. They have no hope and have replaced it with lust for money and control.

I am going to make some Folgers Instant in a few with milk and play some Warcraft and maybe have a piece of old bread. Then I'll go out and water my tomato.

The real issue is, Obama, while running for change, has no real change in mind. Just a different flavor of kool aid. I'm glad you like grape better than cherry.

Or perhaps you're one of those "we're just not spending enough money, waging wars in the right places, and spying on the right americans" liberals, and that's what you classify as "handling the bush disaster".

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

I am going to make some Folgers Instant in a few with milk and play some Warcraft and maybe have a piece of old bread. Then I'll go out and water my tomato.

You be da man!

That's nothing. You should see my bike. It's an orange Huffy mountain bike that cost me 53 dollars new. Sadly the tires are flat and the pump is buried under a ton of shit. I do however often reflect on the fact that we ride or walk under the same sun.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I think it's really really hard to call what's been happening in America these days some form of extreme liberalism, hippie liberalism, or anything of the sort. Our political spectrum is pretty badly skewed to the right. (on a global scale the Democrats are a center right party)

EDIT: But no, it hasn't jumped the shark. The media simply doesn't have enough to talk about and so they try to invent trends that do not exist. Blame the 24 hour news cycle I guess?

Mr Nixon managed to make liberal a bad word. The OP is trying to build on this.

The fact the OP considers the choice of a well qualified person, who is a "latina", for an USSCJ is an example of "Liberalism jumped the shark" points to his biases than to anything else.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha

Originally posted by: eskimospy
I think it's really really hard to call what's been happening in America these days some form of extreme liberalism, hippie liberalism, or anything of the sort. Our political spectrum is pretty badly skewed to the right. (on a global scale the Democrats are a center right party)

EDIT: But no, it hasn't jumped the shark. The media simply doesn't have enough to talk about and so they try to invent trends that do not exist. Blame the 24 hour news cycle I guess?

Mr Nixon managed to make liberal a bad word. The OP is trying to build on this.

The fact the OP considers the choice of a well qualified person, who is a "latina", for an USSCJ is an example of "Liberalism jumped the shark" points to his biases than to anything else.

Who says I am biased? I used to be a liberal myself until I was around 17. I am now an equal opportunity curmudgeon seeking enlightenment.

And I did not write the article, I just referenced it, as the mods require we do, to get an opinion as to whether Liberalism has jumped the shark.

Being married to a Latina I am avoiding all comments about ANY and ALL "wise Latina women."

Mostly because there is NO UHC system in the WORLD that is going to give me the kind of help I will need if I do.

 

[Lemon law]

Eventually, the dems may need a better Senate majority leader who knows how to enforce party discipline, and then this nation can kick obstructing republirats aside and get some real things done for a change.

There is always a flaw in trying to humor the totally irrational GOP, who can't lead, can't follow, and can't get out of the way.

And if the GOP does not watch its butt, by 11/2020, they can fit their remaining members into a pup tent.

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Eventually, the dems may need a better Senate majority leader who knows how to enforce party discipline, and then this nation can kick obstructing republirats aside and get some real things done for a change.

There is always a flaw in trying to humor the totally irrational GOP, who can't lead, can't follow, and can't get out of the way.

And if the GOP does not watch its butt, by 11/2020, they can fit their remaining members into a pup tent.

For better or for worse, it looks like the mid-term elections in 2010 are going to return us to a two party government.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Eventually, the dems may need a better Senate majority leader who knows how to enforce party discipline, and then this nation can kick obstructing republirats aside and get some real things done for a change.

There is always a flaw in trying to humor the totally irrational GOP, who can't lead, can't follow, and can't get out of the way.

And if the GOP does not watch its butt, by 11/2020, they can fit their remaining members into a pup tent.

Yes, because a democratic republic is all about party leaders cracking their whips and coercing their party members into following party doctrine, regardless of the actual opinion that those people have. To hell with with what their state/district wants... the sole purpose of the party is to force the policies and views of a few down the throats of many and ram that shit through congress at all costs.

I know I'm blowing that out of proportion and I'm not to try throw egg at you specifically... I am simply trying to point how crazy that line of thinking is.

We should want each and every congressman and congresswoman to vote based solely on their own evaluation of legislation and how it impacts their constituents.

But regarding the GOP, i agree... I am actually still registered as a Rep. and it is frankly embarrassing. I didn't vote for Bush and I voted for Obama this time around.... but I am very unhappy that Obama is not honoring many of his promises (silly me).

 

[Jaskalas]

Leigh Scott in not so many words: "Welcome to incumbency"

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Funny, while you see liberalism all I see is more of the same. But the real issue, I believe, is that Obama, while running for change, was handed the Bush disaster instead. All the effort of this administration is going, not into progress, but in saving us from drowning.

We are in the doldrums with nothing to do but bail. It was clear what would happen if we elected a disaster like Bush and now we pay the piper.

By the way, people are full of doubt because they hate themselves and the kind of pieces you post are there to sew more seeds of doubt. Hope will always be destroyed by power seekers who manipulate to stay in power. They have no hope and have replaced it with lust for money and control.

I am going to make some Folgers Instant in a few with milk and play some Warcraft and maybe have a piece of old bread. Then I'll go out and water my tomato.

The real issue is, Obama, while running for change, has no real change in mind. Just a different flavor of kool aid. I'm glad you like grape better than cherry.

Or perhaps you're one of those "we're just not spending enough money, waging wars in the right places, and spying on the right americans" liberals, and that's what you classify as "handling the bush disaster".

Who you be?

Ah yes, It's Allsurmise with his endless opinions stated as facts. Oh wait, he said 'or perhaps' even if with 'perhaps' the same implication.

But the cases you mention are all a result of Republican disaster. Republicans as you well know are the party of fear thine enemy and kill him first if you can. It is the party of cowards who have no faith in the American legal system and believe only in raw power. It is the party of cowards morons and fools, as it were, but anyway.....

As the Republicans made a demon of Communists and China only a Republican could open that door. Democrats are soft of defense. Say that a million times till you believe it.

So you imbeciles with your irrational fears have put the Democrats in the corner. There is no way any intelligent Democrat is going to allow the Republicans to paint him as soft of defense.

If those issues are important to you and, I know they are not, you just love to point to hypocrisy, then get the Republicans to lead the way. Only Republicans can compromise with the dread monster under the bed.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Eventually, the dems may need a better Senate majority leader who knows how to enforce party discipline, and then this nation can kick obstructing republirats aside and get some real things done for a change.

There is always a flaw in trying to humor the totally irrational GOP, who can't lead, can't follow, and can't get out of the way.

And if the GOP does not watch its butt, by 11/2020, they can fit their remaining members into a pup tent.

Yes, because a democratic republic is all about party leaders cracking their whips and coercing their party members into following party doctrine, regardless of the actual opinion that those people have. To hell with with what their state/district wants... the sole purpose of the party is to force the policies and views of a few down the throats of many and ram that shit through congress at all costs.

I know I'm blowing that out of proportion and I'm not to try throw egg at you specifically... I am simply trying to point how crazy that line of thinking is.

We should want each and every congressman and congresswoman to vote based solely on their own evaluation of legislation and how it impacts their constituents.

But regarding the GOP, i agree... I am actually still registered as a Rep. and it is frankly embarrassing. I didn't vote for Bush and I voted for Obama this time around.... but I am very unhappy that Obama is not honoring many of his promises (silly me).

Any room in your thinking that the reason he isn't is because the Bush hole we are in if way too deep? I have never seen a monkey cornered by a tiger that was liberal.

 

[PJABBER]

I have never seen a monkey cornered by a tiger that was liberal.

Who are you calling a liberal, the monkey or the tiger?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Funny, while you see liberalism all I see is more of the same. But the real issue, I believe, is that Obama, while running for change, was handed the Bush disaster instead. All the effort of this administration is going, not into progress, but in saving us from drowning.

We are in the doldrums with nothing to do but bail. It was clear what would happen if we elected a disaster like Bush and now we pay the piper.

By the way, people are full of doubt because they hate themselves and the kind of pieces you post are there to sew more seeds of doubt. Hope will always be destroyed by power seekers who manipulate to stay in power. They have no hope and have replaced it with lust for money and control.

I am going to make some Folgers Instant in a few with milk and play some Warcraft and maybe have a piece of old bread. Then I'll go out and water my tomato.

The real issue is, Obama, while running for change, has no real change in mind. Just a different flavor of kool aid. I'm glad you like grape better than cherry.

Or perhaps you're one of those "we're just not spending enough money, waging wars in the right places, and spying on the right americans" liberals, and that's what you classify as "handling the bush disaster".

Who you be?

Ah yes, It's Allsurmise with his endless opinions stated as facts. Oh wait, he said 'or perhaps' even if with 'perhaps' the same implication.

But the cases you mention are all a result of Republican disaster. Republicans as you well know are the party of fear thine enemy and kill him first if you can. It is the party of cowards who have no faith in the American legal system and believe only in raw power. It is the party of cowards morons and fools, as it were, but anyway.....

As the Republicans made a demon of Communists and China only a Republican could open that door. Democrats are soft of defense. Say that a million times till you believe it.

So you imbeciles with your irrational fears have put the Democrats in the corner. There is no way any intelligent Democrat is going to allow the Republicans to paint him as soft of defense.

If those issues are important to you and, I know they are not, you just love to point to hypocrisy, then get the Republicans to lead the way. Only Republicans can compromise with the dread monster under the bed.

Name one single, significant policy that is substantially different than Bush's. And you can't use torture (although I would argue torture isn't significant, it's symbolic and effects zero citizens of the US)

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: PJABBER

I have never seen a monkey cornered by a tiger that was liberal.

Who are you calling a liberal, the monkey or the tiger?

Neither. I didn't say liberal, I said not liberal. I never saw one that was liberal.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Funny, while you see liberalism all I see is more of the same. But the real issue, I believe, is that Obama, while running for change, was handed the Bush disaster instead. All the effort of this administration is going, not into progress, but in saving us from drowning.

We are in the doldrums with nothing to do but bail. It was clear what would happen if we elected a disaster like Bush and now we pay the piper.

By the way, people are full of doubt because they hate themselves and the kind of pieces you post are there to sew more seeds of doubt. Hope will always be destroyed by power seekers who manipulate to stay in power. They have no hope and have replaced it with lust for money and control.

I am going to make some Folgers Instant in a few with milk and play some Warcraft and maybe have a piece of old bread. Then I'll go out and water my tomato.

The real issue is, Obama, while running for change, has no real change in mind. Just a different flavor of kool aid. I'm glad you like grape better than cherry.

Or perhaps you're one of those "we're just not spending enough money, waging wars in the right places, and spying on the right americans" liberals, and that's what you classify as "handling the bush disaster".

Who you be?

Ah yes, It's Allsurmise with his endless opinions stated as facts. Oh wait, he said 'or perhaps' even if with 'perhaps' the same implication.

But the cases you mention are all a result of Republican disaster. Republicans as you well know are the party of fear thine enemy and kill him first if you can. It is the party of cowards who have no faith in the American legal system and believe only in raw power. It is the party of cowards morons and fools, as it were, but anyway.....

As the Republicans made a demon of Communists and China only a Republican could open that door. Democrats are soft of defense. Say that a million times till you believe it.

So you imbeciles with your irrational fears have put the Democrats in the corner. There is no way any intelligent Democrat is going to allow the Republicans to paint him as soft of defense.

If those issues are important to you and, I know they are not, you just love to point to hypocrisy, then get the Republicans to lead the way. Only Republicans can compromise with the dread monster under the bed.

Name one single, significant policy that is substantially different than Bush's. And you can't use torture (although I would argue torture isn't significant, it's symbolic and effects zero citizens of the US)

It affects me. It makes me ashamed to be an American is a nation so full of assholes that would willingly torture others in the name of rights, human dignity, and freedom. Such assholes are not Americans at all but filthy cowards who have evolved out of scum. Torture is a violation of everything America stands for. That you don't see that is truly disgusting.

I'm tempted to say fuck you but you've taken care of that yourself. Cowards die many times before their deaths......

 

[PJABBER]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: PJABBER

I have never seen a monkey cornered by a tiger that was liberal.

Who are you calling a liberal, the monkey or the tiger?

Neither. I didn't say liberal, I said not liberal. I never saw one that was liberal.

You are saying both the monkey and the tiger are conservatives?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Funny, while you see liberalism all I see is more of the same. But the real issue, I believe, is that Obama, while running for change, was handed the Bush disaster instead. All the effort of this administration is going, not into progress, but in saving us from drowning.

We are in the doldrums with nothing to do but bail. It was clear what would happen if we elected a disaster like Bush and now we pay the piper.

By the way, people are full of doubt because they hate themselves and the kind of pieces you post are there to sew more seeds of doubt. Hope will always be destroyed by power seekers who manipulate to stay in power. They have no hope and have replaced it with lust for money and control.

I am going to make some Folgers Instant in a few with milk and play some Warcraft and maybe have a piece of old bread. Then I'll go out and water my tomato.

The real issue is, Obama, while running for change, has no real change in mind. Just a different flavor of kool aid. I'm glad you like grape better than cherry.

Or perhaps you're one of those "we're just not spending enough money, waging wars in the right places, and spying on the right americans" liberals, and that's what you classify as "handling the bush disaster".

Who you be?

Ah yes, It's Allsurmise with his endless opinions stated as facts. Oh wait, he said 'or perhaps' even if with 'perhaps' the same implication.

But the cases you mention are all a result of Republican disaster. Republicans as you well know are the party of fear thine enemy and kill him first if you can. It is the party of cowards who have no faith in the American legal system and believe only in raw power. It is the party of cowards morons and fools, as it were, but anyway.....

As the Republicans made a demon of Communists and China only a Republican could open that door. Democrats are soft of defense. Say that a million times till you believe it.

So you imbeciles with your irrational fears have put the Democrats in the corner. There is no way any intelligent Democrat is going to allow the Republicans to paint him as soft of defense.

If those issues are important to you and, I know they are not, you just love to point to hypocrisy, then get the Republicans to lead the way. Only Republicans can compromise with the dread monster under the bed.

Name one single, significant policy that is substantially different than Bush's. And you can't use torture (although I would argue torture isn't significant, it's symbolic and effects zero citizens of the US)

It affects me. It makes me ashamed to be an American is a nation so full of assholes that would willingly torture others in the name of rights, human dignity, and freedom. Such assholes are not Americans at all but filthy cowards who have evolved out of scum. Torture is a violation of everything America stands for. That you don't see that is truly disgusting.

I'm tempted to say fuck you but you've taken care of that yourself. Cowards die many times before their deaths......

Way to ignore the question.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: alchemize

The real issue is, Obama, while running for change, has no real change in mind. Just a different flavor of kool aid. I'm glad you like grape better than cherry.

Or perhaps you're one of those "we're just not spending enough money, waging wars in the right places, and spying on the right americans" liberals, and that's what you classify as "handling the bush disaster".

Who you be?

Ah yes, It's Allsurmise with his endless opinions stated as facts. Oh wait, he said 'or perhaps' even if with 'perhaps' the same implication.

But the cases you mention are all a result of Republican disaster. Republicans as you well know are the party of fear thine enemy and kill him first if you can. It is the party of cowards who have no faith in the American legal system and believe only in raw power. It is the party of cowards morons and fools, as it were, but anyway.....

As the Republicans made a demon of Communists and China only a Republican could open that door. Democrats are soft of defense. Say that a million times till you believe it.

So you imbeciles with your irrational fears have put the Democrats in the corner. There is no way any intelligent Democrat is going to allow the Republicans to paint him as soft of defense.

If those issues are important to you and, I know they are not, you just love to point to hypocrisy, then get the Republicans to lead the way. Only Republicans can compromise with the dread monster under the bed.

Name one single, significant policy that is substantially different than Bush's. And you can't use torture (although I would argue torture isn't significant, it's symbolic and effects zero citizens of the US)

We've been over this before. Remember when I named like 6 or 8 things that were substantially different? Iraq, stem cells, environmental issues, etc... etc.... etc.