Has John Kerry violated the Logan Act?

[brycejones]

You're being an idiot. Just saying.

Makes a fact free assertion, refuses to answer questions about his assertion, calls other posters idiots for asking him to back it up.

Sounds like a day that ends in y for DSF the king "who me" and "don't ask me to back my shit up with facts".

Just Saying

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Looks like the penalty is a fine and up to 3 years in the Big House.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Looks like the penalty is a fine and up to 3 years in the Big House.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Good lock him up, see here I’m all for it

Has John Kerry violated the Logan Act?

*This will likely lock up Flynn and Jared too*

 

[pauldun170]

BTW - pulled this excerpt from the Logan Act


The JCPOA is the current position of the United States so how is Kerry undermining the governments position? Also Iran and the other signators do not have a dispute with the current position of United States so your argument falls flat twice.

Usually when a news story or thread end with a question mark it's B.S and the answer is "No you dipshit. The answer is no."

HomerJS's post clearly explained why the question in the thread title and the editorial in the link is nothing but nonsense designed to spin up the tard brigade FoxNews style.

 

[Brainonska511]

I seem to recall a thread on Trump officials violating the Logan Act after the election before being sworn in; we should take a stroll into the time machine and see how certain posters felt over those alleged violations...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I seem to recall a thread on Trump officials violating the Logan Act after the election before being sworn in; we should take a stroll into the time machine and see how certain posters felt over those alleged violations...

Whataboutism is OK now?

And where's Sally Yates when you need her? lol

 

[Brainonska511]

Whataboutism is OK now?

And where's Sally Yates when you need her? lol

It's not whataboutism, just wondering how your hypocrasy has evolved based on who was being accused.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

It's not whataboutism, just wondering how your hypocrasy has evolved based on who was being accused.

Looking for hypocrisy are you? Then start by taking a good look at those in this thread who are actually denying Kerry is violating the Logan Act when speaking with foreign leaders about salvaging the Iran nuclear deal.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Looks like the penalty is a fine and up to 3 years in the Big House.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Not so clever editing on your part.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

You just committed the obvious lie of omission by leaving out the part you wanted to hide. Iran is not the party who wants the US to drop out, that would be Trump. This isn't a negotiation, it is a termination by one party, the US and therefore the Logan act cannot apply as Kerry isn't offering to represent in lieu of the government. You knew this as evidenced by action in misquoting.

Busted.

BTW, if say, the son of a US President attempted to influence as described under your omission then he would be guilty of violating the Logan Act.

Twice busted.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Looking for hypocrisy are you? Then start by taking a good look at those in this thread who are actually denying Kerry is violating the Logan Act when speaking with foreign leaders about salvaging the Iran nuclear deal.

Shelving all the other stuff, I’d wait for more facts Doc. There is currently no Secretary of State and from what I understand moral is at an all time low, with people leaving and positions not being filled.
The White House seems to be re-evaluating the Iran deal after that French Guys visit (help me with his name please). There is a very strong chance someone in the current administration reached out to Kerry to see what he can do.
I’m going to shelve my opinion on what Kerry should have said if that was the case.
What I said above could be completely wrong, I’m simply suggesting a possibility.
If I’m wrong and it’s Kerry going rouge, please I beg you guys bring him to court and charge him.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Shelving all the other stuff, I’d wait for more facts Doc. There is currently no Secretary of State and from what I understand moral is at an all time low, with people leaving and positions not being filled.
The White House seems to be re-evaluating the Iran deal after that French Guys visit (help me with his name please). There is a very strong chance someone in the current administration reached out to Kerry to see what he can do.
I’m going to shelve my opinion on what Kerry should have said if that was the case.
What I said above could be completely wrong, I’m simply suggesting a possibility.
If I’m wrong and it’s Kerry going rouge, please I beg you guys bring him to court and charge him.

He hasn't. See my above post including the lie used to make the claim.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

He hasn't. See my above post including the lie used to make the claim.

Thanks what’s the French guys name with the older attractive wife?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Shelving all the other stuff, I’d wait for more facts Doc. There is currently no Secretary of State and from what I understand moral is at an all time low, with people leaving and positions not being filled.
The White House seems to be re-evaluating the Iran deal after that French Guys visit (help me with his name please). There is a very strong chance someone in the current administration reached out to Kerry to see what he can do.
I’m going to shelve my opinion on what Kerry should have said if that was the case.
What I said above could be completely wrong, I’m simply suggesting a possibility.
If I’m wrong and it’s Kerry going rouge, please I beg you guys bring him to court and charge him.

It sure as hell looks like a violation to me. But your right, we do need more facts to understand what exactly was going on.

 

[brycejones]

Thanks what’s the French guys name with the older attractive wife?

Emmanuel Macron

 

[Jhhnn]

This part.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized persons with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.

What is the precise nature of the alleged dispute? Surely there must be some specific allegation from the Trump admin, so what is it?

 

[boomerang]

There is a very strong chance someone in the current administration reached out to Kerry to see what he can do.

I can hear the conversation right now. Hey Johnny, you know that Iran deal you and 0bama worked out, you know the one where those planeloads of cash were delivered and all that shit? Could you help renegotiate that for us please because we're not going to honor it. No James Taylor on this one OK. That was kind of sophomoric BTW.

Trump just tweeted telling Kerry to crawl back into the Ketchup bottle, that Kerry created the mess in the first place.

So there's your strong chance.

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[BoomerD]

So...when will Dennis Rodman be charged under the Logan Act for negotiating with North Korea?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What is the precise nature of the alleged dispute? Surely there must be some specific allegation from the Trump admin, so what is it?

This is a highly controversial deal that several parties would like to see amended. Iran disagrees with any potential amendments to the agreement and therein lies the nature of the dispute.

 

[Jhhnn]

I do love it. If there is some dispute, surely those claiming there is one can articulate exactly what is in dispute. Have at it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I can hear the conversation right now. Hey Johnny, you know that Iran deal you and 0bama worked out, you know the one where those planeloads of cash were delivered and all that shit? Could you help renegotiate that for us please because we're not going to honor it. No James Taylor on this one OK. That was kind of sophomoric BTW.

Trump just tweeted telling Kerry to crawl back into the Ketchup bottle, that Kerry created the mess in the first place.

So there's your strong chance.

🙄🙄🙄🙄 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

So my theory now looks implausible.
I could have seen a “Hey Kerry we want to keep this part of the old deal but add this part. I know you have bigly contacts can you see what you can do? BTW I have more money than your wife”

Again just a theory, no proof. I stand by if Kerry went rouge charge him don’t bitch about it.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is a highly controversial deal that several parties would like to see amended. Iran disagrees with any potential amendments to the agreement and therein lies the nature of the dispute.

So they're not in violation of the agreement. Who are the several parties & what do they want to amend, specifically?

 

[fleshconsumed]

Classic case of lies and whataboutism...

Trump just tweeted telling Kerry to crawl back into the Ketchup bottle, that Kerry created the mess in the first place.

So there's your strong chance.

🙄🙄🙄🙄 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

You know how I know the premise of this thread is bullshit? Because Trump tweeted about it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

So they're not in violation of the agreement. Who are the several parties & what do they want to amend, specifically?

There have been violations of the agreement by Iran, but nothing major. Ballistic missile testing restrictions and elimination of the sunset clause are a couple of the desired amendments that come to mind.

 

[fskimospy]

This is a highly controversial deal that several parties would like to see amended. Iran disagrees with any potential amendments to the agreement and therein lies the nature of the dispute.

It’s not a controversial deal outside of US conservatives. Everyone else is on board.

It’s important to remember just how radicalized the right is compared to the rest of the world. It might seem very controversial to you because American conservatives hate it but they are kind of out on their own.

 

[umbrella39]

Makes a fact free assertion, refuses to answer questions about his assertion, calls other posters idiots for asking him to back it up.

Sounds like a day that ends in y for DSF the king "who me" and "don't ask me to back my shit up with facts".

Just Saying

This is typical Derp Savage bullshit. This kid used to be able to debate his posts, now he's just a shit and run troll who can't accept his brain died years ago... These conservative pieces of shit are going to go down with the ship no matter what gets tossed overboard before it goes down. Again, people who are carrying the water are the biggest threat to this country right now...