No, you are just like a welfare Mom who doesn't want to work. Get off your lazy ass and do something work on your bigotry. The key is in your hands.
FelixDeCat
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Yes, you too can be reprogrammed to accept liberal nonsense and other sorts of anti-natural behaviour (like homosexual activity) such as Moonbeam. Comes with a 60 day, risk free, money back guarantee!
I thought I would've proved myself to be at least a moderate in my time here, but in my opinion anyone who dismisses an argument based on the premise that "oh, just another typical liberal (or conservative)" is a fool and unworthy of the text they spew out.
Sorry, there are a whole bunch of bigot threads in P & N where your complaint has been addressed. I have enough experience to know that after I answer you somebody will come right along and bring up the same thing again. Witness the Lame'O FelixDeKat here, bringing up 'unnatural acts' again.
Bigotry is endless supply, a steady drum beat. I'd be happy to address any new delusions you have, but the old ones, why do them again? I have directly answered your question asked by others in past posts within the last few days.
daniel1113
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sorry, there are a whole bunch of bigot threads in P & N where your complaint has been addressed. I have enough experience to know that after I answer you somebody will come right along and bring up the same thing again. Witness the Lame'O FelixDeKat here, bringing up 'unnatural acts' again.
I just love it when Moon lectures others on bigotry... I guess it is good to go right to the source for a proper lecture, though.
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sorry, there are a whole bunch of bigot threads in P & N where your complaint has been addressed. I have enough experience to know that after I answer you somebody will come right along and bring up the same thing again. Witness the Lame'O FelixDeKat here, bringing up 'unnatural acts' again.
I just love it when Moon lectures others on bigotry... I guess it is good to go right to the source for a proper lecture, though.
Lecturing on bigotry is important because it's about more than bigotry. It's about how we hold to and say ridiculous things for no rational reason. You call me a source, but you won't back up that claim with any intelligent thinking. That's why I have something to lecture you about and not the other way around. Too bad too. This is a very unequal proposition. Good thing for you my thing isn't competition and greed or you would risk continuing to live as an ignorant putz. Now back up your comment with something of substance please.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sorry, there are a whole bunch of bigot threads in P & N where your complaint has been addressed. I have enough experience to know that after I answer you somebody will come right along and bring up the same thing again. Witness the Lame'O FelixDeKat here, bringing up 'unnatural acts' again.
I just love it when Moon lectures others on bigotry... I guess it is good to go right to the source for a proper lecture, though.
Lecturing on bigotry is important because it's about more than bigotry. It's about how we hold to and say ridiculous things for no rational reason. You call me a source, but you won't back up that claim with any intelligent thinking. That's why I have something to lecture you about and not the other way around. Too bad too. This is a very unequal proposition. Good thing for you my thing isn't competition and greed or you would risk continuing to live as an ignorant putz. Now back up your comment with something of substance please.
The fact is moon there is NO answer you can give, no argument you can give that can disceminate between the two.
If we allow gays to get married even though it violates the law, then that only opens the door for others...it's called setting a precident.
I find it amusing that you who are the purpetuator of all that is righteous and true, you and others like you who preach against intolerance and bigotry are yourselves no better. Yeah, yeah I know if people who are intolerant of others why should they be shown any courtesy...I know that one. But you are the one who is always stating that people need to look within themselves for change...I suggest you start doing the same. Who are you to decide what is ridiculous and irrational for me? You know nothing about anyone here who disagrees with you other than they disagree with you...so based on what they say that opposes you, you make a judgement...shame shame...isn't that what you preach against?
Maybe that "irrational" fear is based on a traumatizing incindent in their lives and TO THEM it is not irrational. I will agree with you to look at an asian, black or hispanic and decide based on their skin you don't like them is ignorant, but what if it was an asian, black or hispanic who raped their sister or mother, killed thier father or another family member...is it fair to lump all asians, blacks or hispanics in that catagory? Absolutely not but anyone who has the compassion and understanding you CLAIM to have would be at least somewhat able to understand their "irrational" bigotry to some degree.
Lets get back to the gay issue..since that is the topic.
If gays want to get married and it goes against the law, then it is up to them to change the law, the majority has spoken and the laws are in place. It is not up to us to change the law for you, it is up to you to change the law for you....but that's the problem isn't it? The chances of the law getting changed is pretty slim so what happens? Gays who want to be married go to these renegade judges and mayors and get married. Doesn't matter really becasue they are no more married than if joe schmo off the street did it. Do the mayor and judges have the right as given by the state do marry people...yes they do but the cannot leagally do so if it violates another law.
If it is against the law for gays to be married and it is against the law for related family members to get married and the laws are changed for gays then what is stopping the laws from being changed so that related family members can get married? Any attorney who is any good and wants to make a name for themselves would jump all over it....but then again if we don't allow that then we are irrational and intolerant aren't we Moonbeam?
is that what you call it when you get a speeding ticket? "Civil disobedience"
After all it's your car you are a legal adult you should be allowed to go as fast as you want right?
Who cares what the "law" says.....
Nope, if I speed and get caught I pay the ticket. I knew the law, I made the choice to speed and I will pay the price.
However, sexual orientation is an aspect of these people's lives which they cannot control; because of this, they are being discriminated against in the eyes of the law.
sandorski
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Originally posted by: Wheezer
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Sorry, there are a whole bunch of bigot threads in P & N where your complaint has been addressed. I have enough experience to know that after I answer you somebody will come right along and bring up the same thing again. Witness the Lame'O FelixDeKat here, bringing up 'unnatural acts' again.
I just love it when Moon lectures others on bigotry... I guess it is good to go right to the source for a proper lecture, though.
Lecturing on bigotry is important because it's about more than bigotry. It's about how we hold to and say ridiculous things for no rational reason. You call me a source, but you won't back up that claim with any intelligent thinking. That's why I have something to lecture you about and not the other way around. Too bad too. This is a very unequal proposition. Good thing for you my thing isn't competition and greed or you would risk continuing to live as an ignorant putz. Now back up your comment with something of substance please.
The fact is moon there is NO answer you can give, no argument you can give that can disceminate between the two.
If we allow gays to get married even though it violates the law, then that only opens the door for others...it's called setting a precident.
I find it amusing that you who are the purpetuator of all that is righteous and true, you and others like you who preach against intolerance and bigotry are yourselves no better. Yeah, yeah I know if people who are intolerant of others why should they be shown any courtesy...I know that one. But you are the one who is always stating that people need to look within themselves for change...I suggest you start doing the same. Who are you to decide what is ridiculous and irrational for me? You know nothing about anyone here who disagrees with you other than they disagree with you...so based on what they say that opposes you, you make a judgement...shame shame...isn't that what you preach against?
Maybe that "irrational" fear is based on a traumatizing incindent in their lives and TO THEM it is not irrational. I will agree with you to look at an asian, black or hispanic and decide based on their skin you don't like them is ignorant, but what if it was an asian, black or hispanic who raped their sister or mother, killed thier father or another family member...is it fair to lump all asians, blacks or hispanics in that catagory? Absolutely not but anyone who has the compassion and understanding you CLAIM to have would be at least somewhat able to understand their "irrational" bigotry to some degree.
Lets get back to the gay issue..since that is the topic.
If gays want to get married and it goes against the law, then it is up to them to change the law, the majority has spoken and the laws are in place. It is not up to us to change the law for you, it is up to you to change the law for you....but that's the problem isn't it? The chances of the law getting changed is pretty slim so what happens? Gays who want to be married go to these renegade judges and mayors and get married. Doesn't matter really becasue they are no more married than if joe schmo off the street did it. Do the mayor and judges have the right as given by the state do marry people...yes they do but the cannot leagally do so if it violates another law.
If it is against the law for gays to be married and it is against the law for related family members to get married and the laws are changed for gays then what is stopping the laws from being changed so that related family members can get married? Any attorney who is any good and wants to make a name for themselves would jump all over it....but then again if we don't allow that then we are irrational and intolerant aren't we Moonbeam?
If we allow Gays to Marry, it won't be against the Law.
we are not talking about sexual orientation here...is it against the current laws for homosexuals to be married....yes it is....therefore they made a concious choice to break those laws along with the people who married them, therefore those unions are not legal therefore they are null & void...they do not exist....they took the risk and lost...until THEY decide to try and change the laws.
I can, also using your theory argue that incest should be legal....you say it is natural for them to be gay...fine I don't dispute that....could not the same argument be made for a son that loves his mother or sister in the same way? Siblings could be married using your argument...after all they can't help but feel the way they do, to them it is also natural. Therefore if it is ok for gays to be married because they cannot control their sexual orientation then using that same thoery a decent laywer could argue the same for incest also.
So are you ok with related family members being married?
If we allow Gays to Marry, it won't be against the Law.
True, but it is up to them to change the law...but as I stated they know the likelyhood of that happening is slim...then you have "Civil Disobedience"....which is what we will call it when private corporations refuse to grant coverage for their "Civil Disobedience" partners.....but then it never was about insurance or anything like that it has always been about "their rights"...right????
I just wish they wouldn't call it a marriage because in my opinion, it isn't. Marriage to me is the union of a man and a woman who have decided to make a public commitment to remain faithful to each other.
I place this relationship on a much higher level than a man/man or woman/woman relationship because it is the only relationship that can naturally produce children.
Calling the union of two men or two women a marriage is just an attempt to make gays feel good about themselves. It's like calling my Ford Focus hatchback an SUV to make myself feel good. It's like deciding to call everyone who has a masters degree, a Doctor. It's like lowering the height of a basketball hoop so that everyone can say they can dunk a basketball.
I'm sorry, but the union of a man with a man or a woman with a woman is not a marriage. I have no problems with gays having civil unions that have most if not all the rights and priveleges of a real marriage but please don't change the definition of a word just to make yourselves feel better.
I place this relationship on a much higher level than a man/man or woman/woman relationship because it is the only relationship that can naturally produce children.
Calling the union of two men or two women a marriage is just an attempt to make gays feel good about themselves. It's like calling my Ford Focus hatchback an SUV to make myself feel good. It's like deciding to call everyone who has a masters degree, a Doctor. It's like lowering the height of a basketball hoop so that everyone can say they can dunk a basketball.
I'm sorry, but the union of a man with a man or a woman with a woman is not a marriage. I have no problems with gays having civil unions that have most if not all the rights and priveleges of a real marriage but please don't change the definition of a word just to make yourselves feel better.
Deep. To which part of my post were you referring?
I never claimed that, their marriages were legal or would be treated as such. At the moment, the majority of these marriages are symbolic. What they HAVE accomplished is to bring the issue to the forefront of the collective national mind, and that is their goal, I think.
That's an idiotic corollary if I've ever heard one. Point out a study that says it is possible for a young man to have an incontrollable, but stable and consistent, sexual and emotional desire to be bonded with a female member of his close family that lasts over his lifetime.
"The fact is moon there is NO answer you can give, no argument you can give that can disceminate between the two.
If we allow gays to get married even though it violates the law, then that only opens the door for others...it's called setting a precident.
I find it amusing that you who are the purpetuator of all that is righteous and true, you and others like you who preach against intolerance and bigotry are yourselves no better. Yeah, yeah I know if people who are intolerant of others why should they be shown any courtesy...I know that one. But you are the one who is always stating that people need to look within themselves for change...I suggest you start doing the same. Who are you to decide what is ridiculous and irrational for me? You know nothing about anyone here who disagrees with you other than they disagree with you...so based on what they say that opposes you, you make a judgement...shame shame...isn't that what you preach against?
Maybe that "irrational" fear is based on a traumatizing incindent in their lives and TO THEM it is not irrational. I will agree with you to look at an asian, black or hispanic and decide based on their skin you don't like them is ignorant, but what if it was an asian, black or hispanic who raped their sister or mother, killed thier father or another family member...is it fair to lump all asians, blacks or hispanics in that catagory? Absolutely not but anyone who has the compassion and understanding you CLAIM to have would be at least somewhat able to understand their "irrational" bigotry to some degree.
Lets get back to the gay issue..since that is the topic.
If gays want to get married and it goes against the law, then it is up to them to change the law, the majority has spoken and the laws are in place. It is not up to us to change the law for you, it is up to you to change the law for you....but that's the problem isn't it? The chances of the law getting changed is pretty slim so what happens? Gays who want to be married go to these renegade judges and mayors and get married. Doesn't matter really becasue they are no more married than if joe schmo off the street did it. Do the mayor and judges have the right as given by the state do marry people...yes they do but the cannot leagally do so if it violates another law.
If it is against the law for gays to be married and it is against the law for related family members to get married and the laws are changed for gays then what is stopping the laws from being changed so that related family members can get married? Any attorney who is any good and wants to make a name for themselves would jump all over it....but then again if we don't allow that then we are irrational and intolerant aren't we Moonbeam?"
This is all old hat and already addressed.
If we allow gays to get married even though it violates the law, then that only opens the door for others...it's called setting a precident.
I find it amusing that you who are the purpetuator of all that is righteous and true, you and others like you who preach against intolerance and bigotry are yourselves no better. Yeah, yeah I know if people who are intolerant of others why should they be shown any courtesy...I know that one. But you are the one who is always stating that people need to look within themselves for change...I suggest you start doing the same. Who are you to decide what is ridiculous and irrational for me? You know nothing about anyone here who disagrees with you other than they disagree with you...so based on what they say that opposes you, you make a judgement...shame shame...isn't that what you preach against?
Maybe that "irrational" fear is based on a traumatizing incindent in their lives and TO THEM it is not irrational. I will agree with you to look at an asian, black or hispanic and decide based on their skin you don't like them is ignorant, but what if it was an asian, black or hispanic who raped their sister or mother, killed thier father or another family member...is it fair to lump all asians, blacks or hispanics in that catagory? Absolutely not but anyone who has the compassion and understanding you CLAIM to have would be at least somewhat able to understand their "irrational" bigotry to some degree.
Lets get back to the gay issue..since that is the topic.
If gays want to get married and it goes against the law, then it is up to them to change the law, the majority has spoken and the laws are in place. It is not up to us to change the law for you, it is up to you to change the law for you....but that's the problem isn't it? The chances of the law getting changed is pretty slim so what happens? Gays who want to be married go to these renegade judges and mayors and get married. Doesn't matter really becasue they are no more married than if joe schmo off the street did it. Do the mayor and judges have the right as given by the state do marry people...yes they do but the cannot leagally do so if it violates another law.
If it is against the law for gays to be married and it is against the law for related family members to get married and the laws are changed for gays then what is stopping the laws from being changed so that related family members can get married? Any attorney who is any good and wants to make a name for themselves would jump all over it....but then again if we don't allow that then we are irrational and intolerant aren't we Moonbeam?"
This is all old hat and already addressed.
I believe gays should be able to marry so they should. I know more than you. I am Dr. Science. I have a masters degree. You bigots are a bunch of nothing and wrong. It says in the journal of psychiatry that homosexuality is natural and not a disease. That book is based on science and is better than the Bible.
Oh so now you need a study for this? What does it matter? who the hell do you think you are to deny 2 people who are truly in love their right to marry? is that not the same question you are asking all the "bigots"?
Since when is law based on a study? I am sure there are plenty of studies that go against your belief, and point out that homosexual activity is "wrong" & "unnattural"...but then again since these studies go against what you believe you would merely dismiss them as bullsh!t anyway.
so I guess it is beneath you to address it one last time? come on moon you can do better than that.
again I can point you to studies that show homosexuality to be a bad thing...but since those studies do not go with your views you would dismiss them...so why don't we just base our laws on those studies???? You probably would not like that very well now would you?
Assuming that homosexuality carries risks not associated with heterosexual marriage, do they compare to the risk of dying in child birth? And whether they do or don't what relationship does that have to whether gays should marry. To be fair, there is risk to all sex so should nobody marry. These joke arguments are a cover for bigotry plain and simple, bigotry in search of an excuse. Remove the bigotry and the argument vanishes in thin air.
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