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Has anyone here try Ecstasy?

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drinking and smoking is the same as using any other drug, except they are legal. so all the drinkers that shun occasional drug users are hypocrites as far as im concerned.
 
Enkrates & DaLeroy



<< They are DESIGNED to do weird things to your brain!!!!! >>



Running down stairs, driving, etc... those were extreme examples I gave. My bad, should've followed the logic. I notice neither of you replied to &quot;alcohol&quot; and &quot;cigarettes.&quot; Care to?

PCResources ~ I agree... he's a GREAT drug, and my ONLY drug. I don't drink, and I've never smoked, either. 😛

StuckMojo ~ Good advice, I think I'll take it. 🙂 I don't expect to &quot;convince&quot; anyone of anything... my goal is to inform them of alternate options/beliefs/views, and allow them to possibly reevaluate their own. And you're right... E + G = Death Wish. For a not-very-reliable-but-better-than-nothing site re: e, go to www.pillreports.com

Good night, everyone.

Unlike joohang, I hope you all sleep well.

Meow,
~kitten >^.^<
 


<< Well then, Patrick. We agree to disagree. >>



You are just trying to force your stupid point through, even though you have none, E is not only chemically addictive, it is a very unsafe drug, and until you have had one of your friends in your arms cramping, you do not know anything about it, do some research will you...

As with all thermogenics (ephedrine, amphetamine, E and a whole lot of other drugs), a good water supply will help, but people have died becase of the potassium-sodium pump has been changed, all for a kick, is it really worth it?

Patrick
 


<< PCResources ~ I agree... he's a GREAT drug, and my ONLY drug. I don't drink, and I've never smoked, either. 😛 >>



Good for you, keep it that way! 🙂

But get off of this E commercial will you, or at least do some research...

Patrick
 


<< You are just trying to force your stupid point through, even though you have none, >>



Who's trying to &quot;force your stupid point&quot; on who, Patrick?



<< but people have died becase of the potassium-sodium pump has been changed, all for a kick, is it really worth it? >>



To you, no. Good for you. Have a cookie.

For them, yes. Sit back in your high and mighty chair, and wait for them to drop dead, okay?

Once again: We agree to disagree.

Regarding research... I have, and they have. Take a look at some of the links posted, you'll learn something. As for my friends... everyone is alive, above average when it comes to most things (health-wise, too... nobody's overweight), and doing wonderfully.

Sorry that's so hard for you to swallow.

Good night.
 


<< joohang, why you want to lock this? I find this discussion to be very educational (well at least to me). >>


Last time I checked, AnandTech is very sensitive to drug-related threads.

And I take offense from hk's posts. It could potentially encourage people to try drugs. And I bet anything that not everyone will be able to &quot;control&quot; their use. Even if that figure turns out to be one in one million drug users, drugs should never be encouraged to anyone. Directly or indirectly.
 


<< drinking and smoking is the same as using any other drug, except they are legal. so all the drinkers that shun occasional drug users are hypocrites as far as im concerned. >>



Yes, a whiskey and a cigarette might cause your (healthy) system to stop... ehhhh, wait, no it won't, but one dose of E can do that... so you were saying?

Patrick
 


<<

<< Running down the stairs for instance, is in itself a normal, everyday, harmless activity. So is taking the subway, driving a car etc. Taking E's is NOT. It is putting foreign substances in your body which don't belong there! They have the ability to screw up your brain! They are DESIGNED to do weird things to your brain!!!!! You liken the drugs your friends do to drinking, smoking, sex etc. The differences are enormously different. >>



...but most people don't take E everyday. So in a sense, smoking a pack a day does the same damage as taking a pill once in a while.
>>



BUT....taking ONE pill can kill you that same day!!!!!!! Just ONE pill. Plus, I didn't say smoking was better!
 

and yes, E does cause brain damage, but it doesn't put &quot;holes&quot; in your brain.

what the hell, i'll explain it.

E causes your brain to release massive amounts of seratonin, which regulates mood. this makes you very happy, and causes the good feelings that come from E.

E also causes the release of dopamine.

the same cells that produce the seratonin later absorb it back up in a process called re-uptake. they have receptors on them that have an affinity for seritonin. they take it back in a break it down.

there are also cells that break down dopamine, but it takes longer than seratonin. once all the seratonin has been broken down, there is still alot of dopamine left in your brain. unfortunately, the seratonin re-uptake receptors also have an affinity for dopamine (less so than seratonin, so this doesn't happen till its gone), and the dopamine gets taken up like seratonin and broken down.

a byproduct of dopamine breakdown is hydrogen peroxide. like the kind you bleach your hair with. when the dopamine gets broken down inside the seratonin cells, it produces hydrogen peroxide, which poisons the cell and kills it.
 


<< Dannylove, thank you for staying with the topic. LOL! This is a good debate nevertheless, both sides have valid points, now only if the name calling would stop. >>

i didn't bother reading the debate. nor do i care. I'm not proud of what i did but at least my curious mind and pressured self, well, isn't so anymore. I did it a couple times and thats it for me. I'm not interested in it anymore. whatever they are debating about i'm sure is rather dumb. stick with the subject peeps

danny~!
 


<< Enkrates &amp; DaLeroy



<< They are DESIGNED to do weird things to your brain!!!!! >>



Running down stairs, driving, etc... those were extreme examples I gave. My bad, should've followed the logic. I notice neither of you replied to &quot;alcohol&quot; and &quot;cigarettes.&quot; Care to?

PCResources ~ I agree... he's a GREAT drug, and my ONLY drug. I don't drink, and I've never smoked, either. 😛

StuckMojo ~ Good advice, I think I'll take it. 🙂 I don't expect to &quot;convince&quot; anyone of anything... my goal is to inform them of alternate options/beliefs/views, and allow them to possibly reevaluate their own. And you're right... E + G = Death Wish. For a not-very-reliable-but-better-than-nothing site re: e, go to www.pillreports.com

Good night, everyone.

Unlike joohang, I hope you all sleep well.

Meow,
~kitten >^.^<
>>



Cigarettes and Alcohol are different again. One beer can not kill you. One E can!! Big difference there HK.
 


<< and E doesn't put &quot;holes&quot; in your brain. that's from that stupid MTV special. >>



aaah, ignorance is bliss... but E is thermogenic, and not just that, it is thermogenically exclusive, meaning that it will cause fat to be burned in unusual places... like your brain... that is why you have holes in your brain... If you are going to discuss this issue, please do some research first, and no, i do not mean ask E advertisers, that would be stupid, like having holes in your brain...
 
Daleroy,

One step could kill you as well. I mean you take the wrong step and fall down the stair. The possibility of death are endless don't tell me one E could kill you if you take precaution.
 
and i'm not an advertiser. i do not advocate that anyone do drugs. in fact, the opposite. i encourage you not to do drugs.

drugs are bad. say no to drugs.
 


<< if you want an excellent breakdown of the medical effects, and the source of the neurotoxicity, see [http adress removed], they have a slideshow that explains it all. its effects are similar to prozac and its family of drugs, but it achieves it in a different way. >>



LOL, i do mean LOL, that link... you cannot really mean that...
*sigh* I think you actually believe that that link provides the truth... well, do some more research..
Patrick
 

if you were allergic to it or something, sure it could. but the likelyhood is extremely slim at best.

however, the likelyhood that you will get a pill of PMA or DXM that is passed off as E, and THAT will kill you, is disturbingly high. thus the smart move is to avoid it.

but of course, it's your choice.
 
that link provides links to the results of the only sanctioned studies of E performed so far. you can read for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

that site does NOT promote drug use. to say that it does is to say that planned parenthood promotes sex by passing out condoms to high schoolers.
 


<< ever seen a cross section of an alcoholic's brain? >>



I am a B.Sc M.Sc, what do you think... of course i have, i am not saying that heavy drinking is benign, you are saying that E is benign, and you are saying that the whole brain hole issue is not true, still you have not one clue about what E does to your system, your description of what it does is not even close...

E is the worst, that is all i am saying.

Patrick
 


<< you are saying that E is benign, >>



huh? exsqueze me? precisely when did i say that? was it somewhere around the point where i described how it causes irrepairable brain damage?
 
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