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Has anyone ever been as prophetic as Steve Jobs?

phucheneh

phucheneh

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The necroing of the thread with his almost-corpse pictures got me back to thinking about how weird and creepy this guy's impact on the world really is.

I've accepted that his smartphones and tablets were indeed 'revolutionary,' 'game-changing,' 'paradigm-shifting,' whatever...

...but it was only for one reason. Because he said so. There was nothing special. He just said 'this will change the world,' and people went out and bought stuff, so as to not miss this world change that they themselves created by buying the product.

Same thing with the whole 'it's so easy to use' jazz. Fuck, I still can't use an iProduct. It is not intuitive to me, whatsoever. Whatever the function of that one lone button is supposed to be, it is never what I am wanting or expecting it to be. I think it was just 'easy enough' to use, in a way that was simply different, but no better than, its competitors. BUT, people were told...'it's so easy'...so they figured it out.

It's a fascinating study in human behavior, I think. I wonder if a revolutionary leader has ever popped up in an otherwise-peaceful country and said 'the government is being overturned! RIGHT NOW!' and it caused people to all of a sudden take up arms and go murder their government officials...

Maybe that's the trick to fixing the US. We don't need 'hope and change that we can believe in' or whatever that crap tagline was. We need 'CHANGE THAT IS DEFINITELY HAPPENING RIGHT THE FUCK NOW, SO YOU BETTER TAKE PART IN IT IMMEDIATELY OR YOU WILL BE UNCOOL!' Bam, instant revolution.
 
phucheneh said:
The necroing of the thread with his almost-corpse pictures got me back to thinking about how weird and creepy this guy's impact on the world really is.

I've accepted that his smartphones and tablets were indeed 'revolutionary,' 'game-changing,' 'paradigm-shifting,' whatever...

...but it was only for one reason. Because he said so. There was nothing special. He just said 'this will change the world,' and people went out and bought stuff, so as to not miss this world change that they themselves created by buying the product.

Same thing with the whole 'it's so easy to use' jazz. Fuck, I still can't use an iProduct. It is not intuitive to me, whatsoever. Whatever the function of that one lone button is supposed to be, it is never what I am wanting or expecting it to be. I think it was just 'easy enough' to use, in a way that was simply different, but no better than, its competitors. BUT, people were told...'it's so easy'...so they figured it out.

It's a fascinating study in human behavior, I think. I wonder if a revolutionary leader has ever popped up in an otherwise-peaceful country and said 'the government is being overturned! RIGHT NOW!' and it caused people to all of a sudden take up arms and go murder their government officials...

Maybe that's the trick to fixing the US. We don't need 'hope and change that we can believe in' or whatever that crap tagline was. We need 'CHANGE THAT IS DEFINITELY HAPPENING RIGHT THE FUCK NOW, SO YOU BETTER TAKE PART IN IT IMMEDIATELY OR YOU WILL BE UNCOOL!' Bam, instant revolution.
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Steve Jobs didn't bring the first smartphone, nor did he envision the tablet. Gates was touting the tablet many years before the ipad came out. Windows smart phones were out long before the iphone. The mp3 player was around before the ipod.

He didn't create a revolutionary product in the phone, tablet, or music player. Jobs did a good job creating an ecosphere that evolved existing products.
 
I don't own any Apple products but anyone that says that they have not made some revolutionary products, is just plain retarded.
 
LegendKiller said:
Steve Jobs didn't bring the first smartphone, nor did he envision the tablet. Gates was touting the tablet many years before the ipad came out. Windows smart phones were out long before the iphone. The mp3 player was around before the ipod.

He didn't create a revolutionary product in the phone, tablet, or music player. Jobs did a good job creating an ecosphere that evolved existing products.
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You missed my point. I hated the motherfucker. He was a shitty human being and I didn't think anything he did was worth a damn.

But in hindsight, I have come to accept that he did lead a 'revolution' in certain areas. It wasn't about doing anything first. It was about convincing people that they had to jump on board with the technological revolution that was created by being told that they were going to miss the technological revolution that they themselves created out of fear for missing the technological revolution.

IT'S SO SIMPLE. :awe:
 
Steve jobs didn't invent anything, definitely not smart phones of tablets. He took other people's ideas and remade them into a better product and a more expensive product. But someone has to pay for that 100 million dollar yacht of his.

It's too bad he died, i hear apples going down hill a bit, Android taking over at least that market.
 
I own an ipod classic. But the sad part is that i have to use itunes to make playlists or update my music library. That is the only negative point i have about the ipod. I understand why, without itunes and the renaming(encrypting for dummies) of the mp3 songs, the music industry would have sued apple. And to save power on the ipod, all playlist functionality was moved to itunes. And itunes is a central organized piece of software that many non tech savy people find easy to use. To control music and videos at one virtual location.

In comparison :
My android phone is just drag and drop. And allows for to make playlists on my phone.

Of course at the time of the ipod classic, android phones did not exist yet.
At the time i bought a creative mp3 player that was drag and drop. But i had to add numbers to the names to get a certain order.
 
zerocool84 said:
I don't own any Apple products but anyone that says that they have not made some revolutionary products, is just plain retarded.
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This. Can't stand when people try to re-write history because of some agenda they have.

Apple (Steve Jobs) revolutionized the industry, there is no denying that. Steve Jobs' vision was to bridge the gap between tech and humans. Prior to Steve, computers were for geeks. He wanted to change that. It's really as simple as that. Seems simple, but Steve seemed to be the only one that "got it." That was the key to Apple's "magic." They just knew how to design products that made sense.
 
He didn't prophesise his own death to the most curable pancreatic cancer, and instead didn't bother with treatment for 9 months then died.

So no, not much vision really.
 
phucheneh said:
You missed my point. I hated the motherfucker. He was a shitty human being and I didn't think anything he did was worth a damn.

But in hindsight, I have come to accept that he did lead a 'revolution' in certain areas. It wasn't about doing anything first. It was about convincing people that they had to jump on board with the technological revolution that was created by being told that they were going to miss the technological revolution that they themselves created out of fear for missing the technological revolution.

IT'S SO SIMPLE. :awe:
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I think Jobs was a great businessman, but the word "genius" and "prophet" that gets bandied about is really over the top. I think he did a great job at what people above have pretty much described, taking existing or cutting edge technology, packaging it in a mutually supporting environment or ecosphere and marketing the hell out of it. He didn't invent really anything, but like Ford, he made it accessible. OK, Ford actually invented the assembly line, for all intents and purposes. Advantage: Ford.
 
William Gaatjes said:
I own an ipod classic. But the sad part is that i have to use itunes to make playlists or update my music library. That is the only negative point i have about the ipod. I understand why, without itunes and the renaming(encrypting for dummies) of the mp3 songs, the music industry would have sued apple. And to save power on the ipod, all playlist functionality was moved to itunes. And itunes is a central organized piece of software that many non tech savy people find easy to use. To control music and videos at one virtual location.

In comparison :
My android phone is just drag and drop. And allows for to make playlists on my phone.

Of course at the time of the ipod classic, android phones did not exist yet.
At the time i bought a creative mp3 player that was drag and drop. But i had to add numbers to the names to get a certain order.
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In comparison, I can create playlists on any iDevice and sync to all iDevices automatically without the use of a PC/Mac. Did I mention I can also add music from my 60GB+ music library without touching my PC? I haven't booted my machine in forever.

I think the people that are still drag and dropping music on their phone are just not that tech savvy. I mean who still connects to their PC to manage their music?
 
I would argue that anyone who plays music off of a phone is not 'tech savvy.' Or at least not 'music savvy.'

My phone is for using Pandora when I forget than my MP3 player isn't in my car. I don't understand the appeal of using a smartphone as a go-to music player when battery life is already generally shit. Also touchscreen navigation is a good way to have a car accident.

And I know people will be baffled and think I'm a dinosaur for not just using a phone. To me it makes no more sense than question why someone who carries a laptop everyday doesn't 'just use their phone'. Or just use their laptop to play music, for that matter. It's all arbitrary. The one thing that is for sure: the smartphone is the least capable device at everything it does. Because it does everything.
 
Jobs set things up to take the ideas that were already on the market, and bring sometimes a few devices together, and top it off by adding a better design, a more solid design. He basically focused Apple to only work on solid ideas that were so far at the infantile stage of tech and completion.

Overall, any given Apple product isn't necessarily complete with the best tech or quality on the market, as a few competing products might have superior quality or features - but the Apple devices tend to be the most feature complete.

I dislike the business strategy, but having supported both Apple and Android, their mobile device interface design language is superior for the crowd that doesn't care and doesn't want to ever care. For people who just want a smart device but don't want to do any thinking about things, the iDevices will be a superior experience for them. It's easier to get to the meat of things, and when you need to tinker, getting where you need and figuring things out isn't that difficult.

We'll see where I'll go in the future with my tech adoption. I've been with Android since the OG Droid, and don't plan on moving beyond it. I've also been on Windows for my entire life, but I'm starting to get into OS X - currently I think my Hackintosh dual-boot is ready for me to focus on my photo post processing within the confines of OS X, and so I'm preparing to move over my Lightroom catalog as we speak.
I'm a big fan of the whole convergence concept, and loved the idea of Windows 8 bringing together devices. I don't sync everything, but my experience on my Win8 desktop and Surface Pro was coordinated as I wanted. I don't want to abandon Android simply because I've already paid into software and don't want to double-dip. Thankfully, the software I do need for OS X, and have on Windows, is compatible for both and I can use the license for both (not at the same time), so that satisfies that issue.
 
phucheneh said:
Maybe that's the trick to fixing the US. We don't need 'hope and change that we can believe in' or whatever that crap tagline was. We need 'CHANGE THAT IS DEFINITELY HAPPENING RIGHT THE FUCK NOW, SO YOU BETTER TAKE PART IN IT IMMEDIATELY OR YOU WILL BE UNCOOL!' Bam, instant revolution.
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We need a Ross Perot to remove the giant sucking sound.
 
JackBurton said:
In comparison, I can create playlists on any iDevice and sync to all iDevices automatically without the use of a PC/Mac. Did I mention I can also add music from my 60GB+ music library without touching my PC? I haven't booted my machine in forever.

I think the people that are still drag and dropping music on their phone are just not that tech savvy. I mean who still connects to their PC to manage their music?
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It is what you are used to. I just want my music library on my phone and when i need a playlist i can do create one.
Now, i am sure the newer apple devices can do that as well. I was not negative about apple products. Apple under Steve Jobs (with the help of the engineers who came up with the ideas and solutions) made some great products. I like their magnetic plugs. Data and video over a single cable with a magnetic connection. No worn out locks or east to pull connectors. My boss is an apple fan, and i have to say, it just works. Everything is synchronized automatically between tablet,phone and laptop. But the price is accordingly. And apple OS has as many sub menu's as windows has.


I like having the idea of having some control over my computer. When transitioning from windows xp to windows 7, i had to accept that windows does a lot more automatically. This made me feel uncomfortable but i am now slowly starting to learn about the inner workings of windows 7.
 
William Gaatjes said:
I own an ipod classic. But the sad part is that i have to use itunes to make playlists or update my music library. That is the only negative point i have about the ipod. I understand why, without itunes and the renaming(encrypting for dummies) of the mp3 songs, the music industry would have sued apple. And to save power on the ipod, all playlist functionality was moved to itunes. And itunes is a central organized piece of software that many non tech savy people find easy to use. To control music and videos at one virtual location.

In comparison :
My android phone is just drag and drop. And allows for to make playlists on my phone.

Of course at the time of the ipod classic, android phones did not exist yet.
At the time i bought a creative mp3 player that was drag and drop. But i had to add numbers to the names to get a certain order.
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i had an ipod back in the early 2000s and I never used itunes...
 
phucheneh said:
I would argue that anyone who plays music off of a phone is not 'tech savvy.' Or at least not 'music savvy.'

My phone is for using Pandora when I forget than my MP3 player isn't in my car. I don't understand the appeal of using a smartphone as a go-to music player when battery life is already generally shit. Also touchscreen navigation is a good way to have a car accident.

And I know people will be baffled and think I'm a dinosaur for not just using a phone. To me it makes no more sense than question why someone who carries a laptop everyday doesn't 'just use their phone'. Or just use their laptop to play music, for that matter. It's all arbitrary. The one thing that is for sure: the smartphone is the least capable device at everything it does. Because it does everything.
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I agree with you on the car part.
When i listen to music i am with friends (not driving) where i connect the phone to the audio system. Can be wifi , bluetooth or just a cable.
 
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phucheneh said:
I would argue that anyone who plays music off of a phone is not 'tech savvy.' Or at least not 'music savvy.'
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If you had a valid argument, I'd love to hear it. 🙂 Using a PC to manage music is just backwards and archaic. If I want to hear music on my home stereo system, I use my iPad to easily select the song and streaming it bit for bit using my AppleTV and AirPlay. No PC involved.

My phone is for using Pandora when I forget than my MP3 player isn't in my car. I don't understand the appeal of using a smartphone as a go-to music player when battery life is already generally shit. Also touchscreen navigation is a good way to have a car accident.
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Dude, seriously, I'm not sure what kind of junk phones your using, but playing music on a modern day smartphone uses VERY little battery. Secondly, a tech savvy person would know they don't need to use the touch functions on the phones when driving. I just sit in my car, start it and it automatically picks up my phones (still in my pocket) and plays music from my car's sound system. I can then use the controls on the steering wheels to advance or replay tracks. I can also use voice commands to play a specific song.

Like I said, I think the less tech savvy people are the ones doing things backwards.
 
zerocool84 said:
I don't own any Apple products but anyone that says that they have not made some revolutionary products, is just plain retarded.
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Yep. The importance of the Apple II and Macintosh cannot be understated. Both singlehandedly popularized both the PC and the GUI.

Where Apple really excels is reinventing the wheel. Few of their products are original inventions. Rather, they rework them to appeal to the general consumer. Making them both stylish and easy to use.

They're also marketing geniuses. Giving away all those computers systems to schools during the 80s and 90s was nothing short of brilliant. I don't think it's a coincidence that Apple has done well as it has over the last decade. All those kids who played with them in the computer lab grew up, and bought Macs.

Apple is also really good at looking to where the winds are blowing, and taking risks on things that others wouldn't have at the time. Which is why it does so well as a company. A lot of other businesses get stuck in a rut, and I don't think Jobs ever felt comfortable with that. That's a big reason why Apple started going down hill in the 90s after they canned him. As soon as he left, all the life and culture of the company went with it. They didn't know how to respond to cheaper IBM compatible PCs running Windows. So they just sat on their hands. Damn, wish I had bought Apple stock in the late 90s when it was really tanking.

Microsoft has that problem, being stuck in a rut. They're a hugely influential company for sure, but they always seem late to the party. Sometimes this works for them, sometimes it doesn't. I think a lot of that was Steve Ballmer's fault. He wasn't a tech guy, just a businessman.
 
While many will argue that Jobs did not invent anything (though he has over 300 patents bearing his name) he certainly changed they way people thought about technology - and more importantly, changed technology to work similar to the way humans work.
 
William Gaatjes said:
It is what you are used to. I just want my music library on my phone and when i need a playlist i can do create one.
Now, i am sure the newer apple devices can do that as well. I was not negative about apple products. Apple under Steve Jobs (with the help of the engineers who came up with the ideas and solutions) made some great products. I like their magnetic plugs. Data and video over a single cable with a magnetic connection. No worn out locks or east to pull connectors. My boss is an apple fan, and i have to say, it just works. Everything is synchronized automatically between tablet,phone and laptop. But the price is accordingly. And apple OS has as many sub menu's as windows has.
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Wrong. The reason Steve was able to do the things he did WAS because he was so technical. Was he the MOST technical? No. That's why he pulled in Wozniak. Wozniak was extremely technical, but he didn't have the vision Steve had. Steve just point them in the direction and the more technical people put the pieces together. But make no mistake, Steve was the one with the vision.
 
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