Has anyone ever been as prophetic as Steve Jobs?

[natto fire]

I know there are pretty much always 3 day old topics on the front page of OT, and it gets slow when many threads turn into a boring schtickfest. That doesn't mean we need to be visiting the equestrian graveyard, shovels in hand.

 

[ultimatebob]

Yes, Steve Jobs was the master of brain washing. He was a master at taking mediocre products and making them look awesome.

That said, I do believe that the iPhone was years ahead of the competition when it was released. It's too bad that Apple let Google and Microsoft catch up so quickly.

 

[JackBurton]

Yes, Steve Jobs was the master of brain washing. He was a master at taking mediocre products and making them look awesome.

That said, I do believe that the iPhone was years ahead of the competition when it was released. It's too bad that Apple let Google and Microsoft catch up so quickly.

Ripping off the competition is much easier to do than developing new innovative solutions. Google and Microsoft have their work cut out for them with Apple's new announcements at WWDC. Won't be as easy to rip off.

 

[Rakehellion]

i suggest you review the definitions of prophetic and revolutionary.

Who gives a fuck?

Fucking nerd.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Who gives a fuck?

Fucking nerd.

Drunk posting at it's finest. :biggrin:

 

[William Gaatjes]

Sigh, has no one interesting facts and history about Steve Jobs and Apple to post ?

I do know that one engineer turned schizophrenic after being pushed to the limits by Steve Jobs. I think it was written in the book.

EDIT:

I found him, Burrel Smith. Must not have been easy working for him.
http://www.cnet.com/news/burrell-smith-macintosh-hardware-wizard/

It could be said that without Burrell Smith, the Macintosh might never have made it to the Flint Center stage on January 24, 1984. He was to the Macintosh what Steve Wozniak was to the first Apple computers, a hardware wizard who came up with ingenious ways to coax more performance out of a computer with fewer chips.

Smith joined Apple in February 1979, starting out in the service department repairing Apple II machines. It was the equivalent of the mail room in a non-tech company. He was 24 years old, the same age as Steve Jobs and many others at Apple who grew up obsessed with electronics and passionate about the potential of personal computers. Bill Atkinson, the software wizard behind much of the core system code for the Lisa and Macintosh and who wrote MacPaint, thought the cherubic-looking hardware hacker could help with a new project led by Apple employee No. 31, Jef Raskin.

 

[Rakehellion]

Drunk posting at it's finest. :biggrin:

Man, that's a good idea. I just poured a glass of gin. :thumbsup:


And that should be its finest. I suggest you look up that definition. :awe:

 

[Rakehellion]

I do know that one engineer turned schizophrenic after being pushed to the limits by Steve Jobs. I think it was written in the book.

Well, you don't just "turn" schizophrenic.

 

[cronos]

Steve Jobs was amazing. Claiming him as prophetic is basically insulting his awesomeness. He came out with stuff out of nowhere that basically every 'expert' thought was going to fail, but yet ended up being sold in the millions.

Any Apple fans that have been trying to downplay his roles in carrying Apple on his back for many years are fooling themselves. After he died, there is only exactly one interesting thing coming from Apple, Inc. and that's the new Mac Pro ("can't innovate anymore my ass"). Everything else is same old same old. They eventually will come out with wearable, TVs, etc. in the near future, but none of these will compare to the popularity of stuff that Apple released while Steve was in control, and I seriously doubt that we will see anything from them that we can call revolutionary.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Well, you don't just "turn" schizophrenic.

Well, i do think that when pushed, it emerges but i bet a lot of people have it but it is just latent and you would not know. That is ,until the environment forces it out such as for example extreme stress. I mean having episodes.

Strange...

In 1988, Smith left Radius and hasn't been part of the computer industry since that time. He has suffered from schizophrenia, and doesn't talk to the press. In 1993, Jobs had to file a restraining order against Smith because he threw rocks and a firecracker through the windows of this Palo Alto home. "Burrell was so funny and naive, and then one April day he suddenly snapped," Jobs recalled in his biography by Walter Isaacson. "It was the weirdest, saddest thing."

Reality distortion field...

EDIT:
I will just leave this here as well :
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Eulogy_for_Brian

 

[LegendKiller]

Steve Jobs was amazing. Claiming him as prophetic is basically insulting his awesomeness. He came out with stuff out of nowhere that basically every 'expert' thought was going to fail, but yet ended up being sold in the millions.

Any Apple fans that have been trying to downplay his roles in carrying Apple on his back for many years are fooling themselves. After he died, there is only exactly one interesting thing coming from Apple, Inc. and that's the new Mac Pro ("can't innovate anymore my ass"). Everything else is same old same old. They eventually will come out with wearable, TVs, etc. in the near future, but none of these will compare to the popularity of stuff that Apple released while Steve was in control, and I seriously doubt that we will see anything from them that we can call revolutionary.

Did he come up with the tablet and smartphone? No, he was Johnnie Come Lately, but worked it into a closed ecosystem that was able to con people into thinking was superior. It's as simple as that.

Gates deserves 100% credit for tablets. He was laughed at for them. Jobs was applauded.

What's funny is that Apple now uses the bludgeon of 'you can do anything' on an ipad to try to keep them from being far more powerful, like the surface, so that they can keep convincing people that their way is superior.

It's akin to Jobs shutting down 7" tablets and bigger iphone screens.

 

[cronos]

Did he come up with the tablet and smartphone? No, he was Johnnie Come Lately, but worked it into a closed ecosystem that was able to con people into thinking was superior. It's as simple as that.

Gates deserves 100% credit for tablets. He was laughed at for them. Jobs was applauded.

What's funny is that Apple now uses the bludgeon of 'you can do anything' on an ipad to try to keep them from being far more powerful, like the surface, so that they can keep convincing people that their way is superior.

It's akin to Jobs shutting down 7" tablets and bigger iphone screens.

Did I say that he invented it? No, I said he was able to make them sell in the millions. Nobody else could do that, and nobody else in Apple could do that again.

 

[shortylickens]

 

[LegendKiller]

Did I say that he invented it? No, I said he was able to make them sell in the millions. Nobody else could do that, and nobody else in Apple could do that again.

Monster cable sells billions in crappy headphones and expensively marketed but cheaply made cables, does that make them "revolutionary" or just a good marketing company? Bose made a killing at selling cheaply made speakers that used tubes to lengthen out the soundwaves to make "bass" and sold them for thousands. Does that make them revolutionary?

Just because you can sell a lot of them, or charge a premium, doesn't make somebody prophetic, it makes somebody a huckster.

The fact is that he took other people's ideas and locked them into a closed ecosystem and marketed the shit out of them. Is that prophetic? No. Gates was prophetic with the tablet, Jobs was a huckster.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I suggest you review the definitions of prophetic and revolutionary. Correcting and communicating ideas is more important than typos. Perhaps you could communicate why you think prophetic and revolutionary are apt?

Maybe we're to old and have higher standards for what constitutes revolutionary. Transistors- check. Digital computers, micropressors.Yep. Flat screens OK. Most other wonders are evolutionary developments over time. I mean it's cool and all but I think many people are too easily impressed.

 

[cronos]

Monster cable sells billions in crappy headphones and expensively marketed but cheaply made cables, does that make them "revolutionary" or just a good marketing company? Bose made a killing at selling cheaply made speakers that used tubes to lengthen out the soundwaves to make "bass" and sold them for thousands. Does that make them revolutionary?

Just because you can sell a lot of them, or charge a premium, doesn't make somebody prophetic, it makes somebody a huckster.

The fact is that he took other people's ideas and locked them into a closed ecosystem and marketed the shit out of them. Is that prophetic? No. Gates was prophetic with the tablet, Jobs was a huckster.

So I guess you didn't read my first post closely, as that is exactly what I said. I disagreed that Steve Jobs is prophetic.

Just to clarify, I agree with everything else you said. I probably wouldn't use the word 'huckster' (mostly because I would never come up with that word by myself), but other than that, hell yes!

 

[MongGrel]

Who gives a fuck?

Fucking nerd.

You seem to be in poor form lately.

That or you always were and never noticed much.

:biggrin:

 

[MongGrel]

Heh, yeah.

Makes ya scratch your head sometimes.

Most of these religious types these days have never done anything to support the country and are honestly too busy tearing it down to have a lucid thought these days.

I could get more blunt about it but I won't.

If I really went off I might get banned forever

 

[Ichinisan]

If you had a valid argument, I'd love to hear it. Using a PC to manage music is just backwards and archaic. If I want to hear music on my home stereo system, I use my iPad to easily select the song and streaming it bit for bit using my AppleTV and AirPlay. No PC involved.



Dude, seriously, I'm not sure what kind of junk phones your using, but playing music on a modern day smartphone uses VERY little battery. Secondly, a tech savvy person would know they don't need to use the touch functions on the phones when driving. I just sit in my car, start it and it automatically picks up my phones (still in my pocket) and plays music from my car's sound system. I can then use the controls on the steering wheels to advance or replay tracks. I can also use voice commands to play a specific song.

Like I said, I think the less tech savvy people are the ones doing things backwards.

On top of that, your car is one of the places you can charge your phone, so battery life should not be a concern.

 

[MongGrel]

Monster cable sells billions in crappy headphones and expensively marketed but cheaply made cables, does that make them "revolutionary" or just a good marketing company? Bose made a killing at selling cheaply made speakers that used tubes to lengthen out the soundwaves to make "bass" and sold them for thousands. Does that make them revolutionary?

Just because you can sell a lot of them, or charge a premium, doesn't make somebody prophetic, it makes somebody a huckster.

The fact is that he took other people's ideas and locked them into a closed ecosystem and marketed the shit out of them. Is that prophetic? No. Gates was prophetic with the tablet, Jobs was a huckster.

This is true also, Monster cables have always been a complete joke.

Go Monoprice if doing cabling, but just my opinion.

Bose in the old days made good ones actually, but I'd never buy anything new.

I'd still like to have a nice set of some of their older speakers, but most Bose these days are way overpriced for what they are IMHO.

 

[waggy]

Jobs was amazing. he was probably the best business man ever. he was able to take products already out that people thought was bad. take that idea and turn it into a product millions of people bought to be "unique" or "different".

I think we would still have tablets, mp3 players and smartphones. hell those were out before apple products. But he was able to take them and turn them into billion dollar buys.

add in how many fucking people buy into the idea that without jobs we wouldn't have any of those products. it's fucking amazing what he was able to do with the "apple" brand.

 

[MongGrel]

Webb's City



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webb's_City


I used to work at Honeywell with this guys grandson.


He is a brilliant Engineer, he told me some of the tricks his grandad was even doing back then like issuing tickets for discounts for return trips that would disintegrate on contact with water.

 

[Ichinisan]

Steve Jobs was amazing. Claiming him as prophetic is basically insulting his awesomeness. He came out with stuff out of nowhere that basically every 'expert' thought was going to fail, but yet ended up being sold in the millions.

Any Apple fans that have been trying to downplay his roles in carrying Apple on his back for many years are fooling themselves. After he died, there is only exactly one interesting thing coming from Apple, Inc. and that's the new Mac Pro ("can't innovate anymore my ass"). Everything else is same old same old. They eventually will come out with wearable, TVs, etc. in the near future, but none of these will compare to the popularity of stuff that Apple released while Steve was in control, and I seriously doubt that we will see anything from them that we can call revolutionary.

Did you see the WWDC Keynote this year? Some incredible underlying innovations are coming with iOS 8. Without a doubt, the most significant iOS update.

-- iOS 7 doesn't come close.

 

[MongGrel]

Did you see the WWDC Keynote this year? Some incredible underlying innovations are coming with iOS 8. Without a doubt, the most significant iOS update.

-- iOS 7 doesn't come close.

Too funny, I'm oughta this one.

 

[Engineer]

Bah...Gene Roddenberry is a real prophet. Everything the man came up with on Star Trek is comming to pass. Jobs was a great salesman.