has anybody ever been involved with an abortion?

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WelshBloke

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Seriously, fuck some of you guys.

I'm a nurse, my job is to look after people, doesn't matter why they need care, they need care.

Maybe I should start being as judgemental as some of you.

I'll just give the painkillers to the ones who look respectable.

I'll withhold the cancer treatment from the ones who look like they might be smokers.

I'll lecture, harangue, and belittle anyone vulnerable who comes in front of me that I don't agree with.

Shit, you guys should be happy were not as bigger assholes as you lot are.
 

HAL9000

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Seriously, fuck some of you guys.

I'm a nurse, my job is to look after people, doesn't matter why they need care, they need care.

Maybe I should start being as judgemental as some of you.

I'll just give the painkillers to the ones who look respectable.

I'll withhold the cancer treatment from the ones who look like they might be smokers.

I'll lecture, harangue, and belittle anyone vulnerable who comes in front of me that I don't agree with.

Shit, you guys should be happy were not as bigger assholes as you lot are.

I don't know who that was aimed at so I'll just move on...

What do you think of abortion?
 

Eos

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You see, this is what the whole debate is actually about. Right wing Christian people don't really care about fetuses, if they did then it would absolutely not be acceptable for fertility treatments to create extra fetuses that then die. If they did they wouldn't make exceptions for cases of rape or incest, because the "sanctity of life" ranks higher than that. It's really about punishing women for engaging in "immoral" sexual behavior by forcing them to carry a baby to term and raise it (or give it up for adoption). Sex, to these people, must have consequences, because it isn't acceptable or moral for women to have sex without them.

Sugar coat it all you want, talk about how it's the sanctity of life all you want, but you're full of shit if you do.

Uneducated, barely able to read, blue collar hero, Adam Carolla has known this for years.
 

WelshBloke

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I don't know who that was aimed at so I'll just move on...

What do you think of abortion?


I think a decision like that can only be made by the person not the government, and if that decision is made the person should be treated with the same respect, dignity and caring as anyone else.
 

JulesMaximus

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Because you chose to have sex, that's a choice, theres a risk you could get preganant, it's a risk everyone knows, if you aren't prepared to put up with the result, don't do it... The woman chose to take the risk, she should accept the consequences, the father should not be forced to either lose a child, and neither should she be forced to abort.

There are at least two things wrong with this...probably more actually.

a) It wasn't only the woman who took the risk.
b) The "father" has zero control over this situation. He is nothing more than a sperm donor at this point. He's no more a "father" than you are after you jack yourself off to interweb porn. Fuck, he'd be lucky to know if he ever got this woman pregnant in the first place.

A woman should not be forced to carry a pregnancy to full term against her will any more than she should be forced to abort a pregnancy. They are the same thing...the sperm donor's opinion is completely moot.
 

HAL9000

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There are at least two things wrong with this...probably more actually.

a) It wasn't only the woman who took the risk.
b) The "father" has zero control over this situation. He is nothing more than a sperm donor at this point. He's no more a "father" than you are after you jack yourself off to interweb porn. Fuck, he'd be lucky to know if he ever got this woman pregnant in the first place.

A woman should not be forced to carry a pregnancy to full term against her will any more than she should be forced to abort a pregnancy. They are the same thing...the sperm donor's opinion is completely moot.

I disagree the woman and the man at the point of conception have done just as much as each other, neither has more rights over the potential offspring than the other.
 

JulesMaximus

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I disagree the woman and the man at the point of conception have done just as much as each other, neither has more rights over the potential offspring than the other.

You're just begging women not to ever fuck us aren't you? :p

Seriously though, it's fun to sit here and wax poetic about something 99% of us will never have to deal with...at least not to the extent you make it out to be. How many guys really want to father a child without a woman to help him raise it? Shit, when I was in my early 20s I didn't even want children...yet I have one now. And I wouldn't change my life now for any amount of money.

Still, it's the woman who has to carry the fetus and give birth, it is her body, so she has the rights. You aren't ever going to convince me otherwise.
 

HAL9000

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You're just begging women not to ever fuck us aren't you? :p

Seriously though, it's fun to sit here and wax poetic about something 99% of us will never have to deal with...at least not to the extent you make it out to be. How many guys really want to father a child without a woman to help him raise it? Shit, when I was in my early 20s I didn't even want children...yet I have one now. And I wouldn't change my life now for any amount of money.

Still, it's the woman who has to carry the fetus and give birth, it is her body, so she has the rights. You aren't ever going to convince me otherwise.

I'm not trying to, you aren't going to convince me either, it's not just part of her body, it's bigger than that.
 

SparkyJJO

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Of course that would be stupid, if you don't shove a kid up her vagina then it won't have anything to do with her body and if you'd do that i think she should have the right to remove the kid, if for no other reason than that he'd start smelling eventually.

Now a fetus is a parasite living inside the womans body, before week 25 it's absolutely not more human life than a gamete, a cancerous cell or one of your spermies...

It has no higher brain function, in fact, if a man was born and hospitalised with the same amount of cerebral cortex brain activity they'd call him dead, harvest his organs (if they can).

For some reason you think that a fetus is MORE human and MORE alive than you or me? That it's special in a way that only applies to fetuses and not born humans, not even the mother?

You are either ignorant or stupid, take your pick.

1) calling an unborn infant a parasite is downright disturbing.
2) You jump to idiotic conclusions pretty quickly. No where did I say or even suggest that the unborn child is more human or alive than you or I. I'm saying they are JUST as human as the two of us. Even though I may question your humanity when I see how crass and vile you and others are :thumbsdown:

Morality is subjective, so it is objectively irrelevant.

And that's the crux of the matter. Morality is NOT subjective.

Otherwise, I could say it isn't morally objectionable for me to go and take out 10 people I don't like. What, you say that is morally objectionable? How dare you force your morals on me.

:hmm:

Try and rationalize and justify it all you want, but killing unborn kids - in any stage of pregnancy - is wrong.
 

HAL9000

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1) calling an unborn infant a parasite is downright disturbing.
2) You jump to idiotic conclusions pretty quickly. No where did I say or even suggest that the unborn child is more human or alive than you or I. I'm saying they are JUST as human as the two of us. Even though I may question your humanity when I see how crass and vile you and others are :thumbsdown:



And that's the crux of the matter. Morality is NOT subjective.

Otherwise, I could say it isn't morally objectionable for me to go and take out 10 people I don't like. What, you say that is morally objectionable? How dare you force your morals on me.

:hmm:

Try and rationalize and justify it all you want, but killing unborn kids - in any stage of pregnancy - is wrong.

Morality is subjective, moral absolutes aren't but there are very few that are based on purelogic making them absolute.
 

Kadarin

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I disagree the woman and the man at the point of conception have done just as much as each other, neither has more rights over the potential offspring than the other.

You are stating this as fact, when in reality it is just what you wish the situation would be. Here in the USA, it is the woman's choice, and the father does not have a legal say. Which is, IMO, as it should be. During a pregnancy, the developing blastocyst/embryo/fetus is a parasite within the woman's body and the father really IS just a sperm donor at that point. Any "rights" that you believe the father has are an arbitrarily cultural invention.
 

HAL9000

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You are stating this as fact, when in reality it is just what you wish the situation would be. Here in the USA, it is the woman's choice, and the father does not have a legal say. Which is, IMO, as it should be. During a pregnancy, the developing blastocyst/embryo/fetus is a parasite within the woman's body and the father really IS just a sperm donor at that point. Any "rights" that you believe the father has are an arbitrarily cultural invention.

I wouldn't say an arbitrary cultural invention I would say a necessary biological one... Other wise birth parents have no say in the childs life until they have raised them for a given ammount of time.
 

moshquerade

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do you have trouble dealing with it after the fact? like have nightmares or go into depressive moods at times? how do you cope?
Never have, never will.

Have a friend who had an abortion. She now regrets the decision. Most people do down the road. You killed your baby. Call it a "fetus". Tell yourself it isn't a person. Your conscience knows better.
 

Cerpin Taxt

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1) calling an unborn infant a parasite is downright disturbing.
Welcome to reality. A fetus lives parasitically with respect to its mother. That's a fact. Deal with it.

Also, an "unborn infant" is about as senseless as an "undead corpse." In other words, it's an oxymoron.

2) You jump to idiotic conclusions pretty quickly. No where did I say or even suggest that the unborn child is more human or alive than you or I. I'm saying they are JUST as human as the two of us. Even though I may question your humanity when I see how crass and vile you and others are :thumbsdown:
Obviously you are not well-skilled at apprehending reality, so your judgment of other people's conclusions cannot be taken with seriousness.

And that's the crux of the matter. Morality is NOT subjective.
Quite simply false -- as false as if you'd asserted that circles have corners, or that Euclidean triangles have interior angles which sum to greater than 180 degrees.

Otherwise, I could say it isn't morally objectionable for me to go and take out 10 people I don't like. What, you say that is morally objectionable? How dare you force your morals on me.
This is why we have laws, distinct from morals, you backwards, redneck hick.

Try and rationalize and justify it all you want, but killing unborn kids - in any stage of pregnancy - is wrong.
Nobody is forcing you to have an abortion, so don't have one.
 
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Cerpin Taxt

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Have a friend who had an abortion. She now regrets the decision. Most people do down the road. You killed your baby.
Fetuses are not babies. They are distinguishable by the absence of an umbilical cord and the respiration of atmospheric oxygen.

Call it a "fetus". Tell yourself it isn't a person. Your conscience knows better.
Please do not presume that everyone else sees the world the same as you, because I know your claim is false.
 
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