You're the first person I ever have seen try to make a claim like this. In other words, you're apparently claiming Obama had a copy of his long form birth certificate, but refused to give it out for some reason during this whole contraversy and eventually went to the State of Hawaii through a specific Freedom of Information Act Request for another copy.
I don't see how we can consider you anything particularly other than this given you're making already very clearly debunked claims on this forum awhile ago.
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl/
You're simply wildly misreading the laws and regulations on the book at best. What Hawaii showed IS ABSOLUTELY THE STANDARD FOR THE CERTIFICATE IN QUESTION FOR THE STATE. You're effectively claiming a substantial number of Hawaiians would not be able to get a passport due to Hawaii's position on this subject, which is a preposterous claim.
Submit Evidence of U.S. Citizenship
When applying for a U.S. passport in person, evidence of U.S. citizenship must be submitted with Form DS-11. All documentation submitted as citizenship evidence will be returned to you. These documents will be delivered with your newly issued U.S. passport or in a separate mailing.
Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):
Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport
Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
Naturalization Certificate
Certificate of Citizenship
*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The State of Illinois has absolutely zero to do with deciding what is or is not acceptable for passport documentation. Zero. It is the U.S. State Department that processes applications and issues passports. They alone decide what is and is not acceptable, not Illinois, not Texas, and not you. All the tripe you're quoting from the various municipal websites is just their attempt to be helpful and has no bearing on actual State Department requirements.
That's your opinion, and it is meaningless. This so-called "short form" birth certification is the only thing Hawaii provides. The fact that you feel the seal on it is inadequate (based on a low-res, compressed photo and not a hands-on examination of the actual document) simply underscores your ignorance and dedication to partisan assumptions. Unfortunately for you, your feelings about something having nothing to do with facts.
This is simply untrue. The "Full Faith and Credit" clause in the US Constitution would get them slapped down if they tried this since Hawaii doesn't provide the long form during the ordinary course of doing business, and my understanding is there is no guarantee they can provide a copy of the long form period for some people anymore given their current records policies. At best a state might ask for easily providable additional documentation for some specific scenarios which is different than not accepting the document, although what would pass legal muster regarding what the state could ask for would depend on the circumstances.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html
WOW. I think we found the missing return in question.
No, I think most people recognize you are pathologically dishonest and will selectively ignore anything someone says that challenges your position. I did not deny the words from the State Department guidelines. I merely pointed out that your interpretation of how those words must be applied is irrelevant (just like your constant whining about how rules here must be applied). The State Department doesn't give the tiniest fraction of a rat's ass about whether you think the Hawaii birth certification meets their requirements or not. You're a nobody. Your opinions don't matter. Unless you can show examples of the State Department rejecting Hawaii birth certifications, all your proclamations and caterwauling are just a giant exercise in self-gratification.
You can look here for yourself:
Note that Hawaii's short form birth certificate (or at least the one Obama showed everyone) does not have a raised, embossed, impressed, or multicolored seal. It also does not have any signatures. Note that the federal rules specifically say some short form certificates might not be acceptable. Obama's certainly is not, so he could not get a passport with it. If it is not good enough to prove citizenship to get a passport, why would it be good enough to prove citizenship to become President of the United States?
EDIT: Many states have simply said they will not accept any short form birth certificates to ensure people come with one that includes all the required items.
