[Hardwareluxxx]Breaking news: AMD Fury X will be slower than GX 980Ti

[Glo.]

Well you cant hide forever. If it doesnt beat the 980TI it doesnt beat it. Then you have to try and show other features to sell on.

We still have to see how it pans out. But there is no reason to hide performance anymore if its not because its slower. Its directly bad to hide it if its faster. Right now GTX980TI sells like hotcakes. Its not going to be easy to sell a complete rebrand line except the Fury either.

If its faster than GTX 980 Ti, its also a good thing to be silent. Impact can be bigger, especially when people think that the "reality" based on rumors is otherwise.

Example was first iPad. When it was in development, rumors were that it will cost 999$. When it came to life the price was in fact 499$, and to that moment nobody apart from Apple knew that. The surprise made gigantic positive leap in how people thought about it.

 

[Azix]

$850 was apparently nearly a fact according to some posters. It has now turned that AMD will release an $850 card that's slower than a $650 card so they are panicking. While in reality we have no idea what prices AMD aimed to hit and what performance level they had in mind as their goal. The best indication for the performance are GPU specs and since we don't have any official GPU specs, it's all just speculation. What I find hilarious is a 100% rumour being passed as a near fact that AMD specifically aimed to create an $850 card to match or beat the Titan X. We absolutely don't know that. What if AMD aimed to create a $599-649 card that's 90% as fast as the Titan X? In that case they might have succeeded but 980Ti at $649 destroyed their strategy. That's a much more likely possibility of how Fiji XT won't live up to the hype.

Anyway with GM200 overclocking 20%+ on air cooling with little effort, it was obvious since Titan X launched and how well GM200 overclocked that AMD had a major mountain to climb. I guess if AMD's card doesn't live up to expectations, they will be forced to compete on price/performance which ultimately is good for us consumers, but not for AMD.

If Fiji XT beats 980Ti, we win. If Fiji XT doesn't beat 980Ti, we probably get a card priced lower which just gives people more options. In the past NV's flagship was 15-20% faster than AMD's small die chips. If AMD can come in at 5-10% within the Titan X, that's already an improvement from 4870 vs. 280, 6970 vs. 580 or 780Ti vs. 290X (at launch of course).

I just wish AMD released the specs, if not the performance. That alone would tell us a lot.

Yeaah truth is we know nothing except some GPUs will have HBM. everything else is rumor.

The last situation I remember is AMD 290x vs titan and 780ti and that was not 15-20%. Now its even worse 290x is faster than the titan. 7970/280x does better than 680. It seemed the norm was nvidia out with huge chip thats winning, then amd counters with faster smaller (hotter) chip. I think this could go either way but your right about performance and price. If its slower, better price for us is almost guaranteed.

Specs won't be enough for inferring performance IMO. We could do some calculations, but it could be improved to not scale linearly. There would also be the drivers. It would just be nice to have some specs.

 

[Despoiler]

This rumor makes even less sense to me than it did earlier this morning. Why would an AIB contact show of a "dummy" card when we know that live cards are already in the hands of Johan Andersson? This makes me guess the contact is low level and therefore not in the know.

 

[moonbogg]

Sorry, smells fishy.

After the 980ti (Big Win) i'm expecting a $499 card from AMD that is ~10% slower than 980ti and a $299-349 card that is roughly equivalent to the 980.

It is fishy and I expect an 8GB HBM beast of a card to do very well at a good price. I expect it to become clear why the 980ti seemed rushed, even though its a badass card in it's own right.

Fury is supposed to be the cat's ass.

This is funny as hell. You may consider this line stolen.

 

[raghu78]

$850 was apparently nearly a fact according to some posters. It has now turned that AMD will release an $850 card that's slower than a $650 card so they are panicking. While in reality we have no idea what prices AMD aimed to hit and what performance level they had in mind as their goal. The best indication for the performance are GPU specs and since we don't have any official GPU specs, it's all just speculation. What I find hilarious is a 100% rumour being passed as a near fact that AMD specifically aimed to create an $850 card to match or beat the Titan X. We absolutely don't know that. What if AMD aimed to create a $599-649 card that's 90% as fast as the Titan X? In that case they might have succeeded but 980Ti at $649 destroyed their strategy. That's a much more likely possibility of how Fiji XT won't live up to the hype.

Anyway with GM200 overclocking 20%+ on air cooling with little effort, it was obvious since Titan X launched and how well GM200 overclocked that AMD had a major mountain to climb. I guess if AMD's card doesn't live up to expectations, they will be forced to compete on price/performance which ultimately is good for us consumers, but not for AMD.

If Fiji XT beats 980Ti, we win. If Fiji XT doesn't beat 980Ti, we probably get a card priced lower which just gives people more options. In the past NV's flagship was 15-20% faster than AMD's small die chips. If AMD can come in at 5-10% within the Titan X, that's already an improvement from 4870 vs. 280, 6970 vs. 580 or 780Ti vs. 290X (at launch of course).

I just wish AMD released the specs, if not the performance. That alone would tell us a lot.

Within the next 3 weeks we will here countless rumours like this. At this point in time the internet sites have trampled journalistic ethics by turning into mindless clickbait sites. Nobody who has professional ethics will do such things as we are seeing. But the internet is just an unregulated medium where the consumer should use his brain and not fall prey to such despicable antics.

AMD should stick to their schedule and if they have a leadership flagship GPU product just focus on executing their launch to perfection. The factors are

1. Product Quality - Thermals and Acoustics.
2. Software Quality - Frametimes, CF support and scaling, CF Freesync.
3. Availability - Sufficient volume to satisfy end user demand (though if you have very competitive products you are always going to be unable to fill all the demand atleast at launch. The important part is steady volume flow after launch)
4. Competitive Pricing.

In the situation that AMD have a leadership product which can beat Nvidia's best by a significant margin (15-20%) both stock and overclocked they will get the accolades for it. So they should focus on excellent execution instead of just caving into rampant misinformation.

PS: RS please clear your inbox as I am not able to send any PM to you.

 

[sm625]

There are a few assumptions that I think are safe to make:

1. A partner to AMD is also a partner to Nvidia, and Nvidia has new cards for sale right now, while AMD doesnt. Therefore this partner to AMD has a financial motive to downplay future performance to sell existing cards. Those existing cards just happen to be Nvidia cards.

2. Nvidia surely has enough connections to know what the Fury performance will be, and that knowledge could have heavily factored into the 980ti price. Nvidia probably would have set the MSRP to $699 if they did not feel competition was coming.

 

[Vesku]

Seems like there is an active campaign to get people to buy as many 980 Ti cards as possible before AMD launches. Guess Nvidia and partners are worried at how well AMD has kept the lid on their line up. This is not "Breaking news" this is "Breaking rumor".

 

[raghu78]

Seems like there is an active campaign to get people to buy as many 980 Ti cards as possible before AMD launches. Guess Nvidia and partners are worried at how well AMD has kept the lid on their line up. This is not "Breaking news" this is "Breaking rumor".

well said. :thumbsup:

 

[LTC8K6]

Seems like there is an active campaign to get people to buy as many 980 Ti cards as possible before AMD launches. Guess Nvidia and partners are worried at how well AMD has kept the lid on their line up. This is not "Breaking news" this is "Breaking rumor".

One good leak would stop such a campaign in it's tracks...

 

[LTC8K6]

it is fishy and i expect an 8gb hbm beast of a card to do very well at a good price. I expect it to become clear why the 980ti seemed rushed, even though its a badass card in it's own right.



This is funny as hell. You may consider this line stolen.

Radeon cat's ass pro $499.00

 

[redzo]

The guy posting this at Hardwareluxxx had the decency to post it as a rumor. His entire article is a rumor based on a non verifiable statement. He himself admitted this by disclosing his partner sourcewords. Why are some people reading between the lines? Getting other than non reliable facts based on this is highly stupid. Stating anything other than sentences starting with "I believe", "I think", "My prediction is" is highly moronic.
Until proof of his source's(partner) conclusion being true facts, facts based on this are pure bs.
Anybody with a primitive level of intelligence should be able to compute this.
You're not an idiot if you do not take it a as true fact and it turns out later to be true fact, but you are for sure an idiot if you take it as a fact only by currently available info.

 

[exar333]

The guy posting this at Hardwareluxxx had the decency to post it as a rumor. His entire article is a rumor based on a non verifiable statement. He himself admitted this by disclosing his partner sourcewords. Why are some people reading between the lines? Getting other than non reliable facts based on this is highly stupid. Stating anything other than sentences starting with "I believe", "I think", "My prediction is" is highly moronic.
Until proof of his source's(partner) conclusion being true facts, facts based on this are pure bs.
Anybody with a primitive level of intelligence should be able to compute this.
You're not an idiot if you do not take it a as true fact and it turns out later to be true fact, but you are for sure an idiot if you take it as a fact only by currently available info.

Who is making facts based on this?

By your logic, we might as well shutter all Fiji and 3xx threads because there is no official info other than HBM on some models. That's it!

 

[Vesku]

One good leak would stop such a campaign in it's tracks...

AMD has an event in the next 24 hours and another planned for E3. All some solid leaks would do is diminish the impact of those official events.

 

[flopper]

Kinda need
Breaking news!
Fiji faster than Titan X
Unconfirmed rumor from a shady girl dressed in red (Ruby?) at an AMD booth told us that while doing a split telling us in a hush hush enviroment its really good....

Its as true as an aib telling things ahead of time.

 

[AnandThenMan]

This is not "Breaking news" this is "Breaking rumor".

Exactly. Rumours being posted as facts is getting very tiresome. Discussing such is a lot of fun but when we have definitive statements such as "will be" and the like based on rumours or worse, it all starts to look like a FUD campaign.

As for AMD leaking some info I'm on the fence about this. But at this point I do think they need to get some positive info out there and yesterday the doom and gloom engine is at full throttle.

 

[exar333]

Kinda need
Breaking news!
Fiji faster than Titan X
Unconfirmed rumor from a shady girl dressed in red (Ruby?) at an AMD booth told us that while doing a split telling us in a hush hush enviroment its really good....

Its as true as an aib telling things ahead of time.

Yup. A booth model knows just as much as a AIB partner present at the convention. I am sure.

 

[LTC8K6]

AMD has an event in the next 24 hours and another planned for E3. All some solid leaks would do is diminish the impact of those official events.

I know about the event, but I don't necessarily agree about a leak.

I can't see any reason not to leak just enough info to make people wait before buying a 980ti.

If Fury was faster than 980ti, I would have leaked one impressive benchmark just after the 980ti release, to keep buyers on the hook.

 

[exar333]

I know about the event, but I don't necessarily agree about a leak.

I can't see any reason not to leak just enough info to make people wait before buying a 980ti.

If Fury was faster than 980ti, I would have leaked one impressive benchmark just after the 980ti release, to keep buyers on the hook.

Agree.

Even if its a cherry-picked benchmark or game, show something. Get people excited and motivated enough to put their credit card back in their pocket and remove the 980Tis from their baskets.

 

[LTC8K6]

Get them on the hook with an impressive leak.

Set the hook hard at the release event.

 

[thehotsung8701A]

Get them on the hook with an impressive leak.

Set the hook hard at the release event.

Which tell me there a chance the Fury might not be what most of us who are waiting is hoping for. We will know soon, I'm pretty stoke!

 

[Headfoot]

*Think* for once in your life....

I have obviously thought about this, take your ad hominem elsewhere and stuff it.

You very clearly missed the part where the AIBS DONT HAVE BIOSES ON THEIR CARDS. How do you explain that? NDA? Lol. Nice try bro

Ad hominem -- the last resort of someone who's run out of real arguments

 

[exar333]

I have obviously thought about this, take your ad hominem elsewhere and stuff it.

You very clearly missed the part where the AIBS DONT HAVE BIOSES ON THEIR CARDS. How do you explain that? NDA? Lol. Nice try bro

Ad hominem -- the last resort of someone who's run out of real arguments

Retail card BIOS's <> working samples

This doesn't mean they don't have other samples they have been testing for months. I have a VERY hard time believing AIBs have yet to put their hands on any working cards. Thats crazy.

Again, all speculation.

 

[RoarTiger]

This thread 0/10.

Not news and certainly not a post deserving its own thread with a click bait title. Shit like this really does have me believe in shills.

AMD always had Titan X (GM200) as its performance target. The only thing that has changed recently is the price target. Now they are pretty much limited to the 980 ti water cooled version pricing which I believe is rumored to be $750.

> buy 980 ti - buy 980 ti - buy 980 ti- buy 980 ti < inserted to appease the shill gods

 

[Headfoot]

I have a VERY hard time believing AIBs have yet to put their hands on any working cards. Thats crazy.

No one, literally no one, in this thread has said this. I've never said this despite everyone attempts to straw man me into having said this. Saying they dont know FINAL, SHIPPING performance is NOT the same as saying they don't have working cards, which is what everyone for some unspeakable reason thinks I am saying

If you don't have final BIOS you cant say whats faster because the BIOS determines a good deal of the performance of the card, period. Clock speed, power limitations (TDP limits), fan speed. They might know what the TEST cards performance is, but if AMD has moved in response to 980 Ti (which is highly likely), then their information is outdated and inaccurate because AMD has not yet delivered the new BIOS. If its neck to neck, BIOS can be the tie breaker. Which might be what AMD is doing. No final BIOS = No knowledge of FINAL cards

I just dont see whats difficult to understand about this

 

[Noctifer616]

I have obviously thought about this, take your ad hominem elsewhere and stuff it.

You very clearly missed the part where the AIBS DONT HAVE BIOSES ON THEIR CARDS. How do you explain that? NDA? Lol. Nice try bro

Ad hominem -- the last resort of someone who's run out of real arguments

Why would AMD send out cards to game devs that can't actually work? AMD had working samples for quite a while, it there are any cards at Computex or not can't be confirmed. Also, do you think that they are going to manage to actually change the cards settings just a few weeks before it's supposed to be in stores?

Very unlikely.