I analyzed the results in my reply to Snakexor, can you tell me how the XT is "winning" more than 2/8?
I analyzed the results in my reply to Snakexor, can you tell me how the XT is "winning" more than 2/8?
The HardOCP way of benching is to manually play through a level on each card. It looks like they only do it once... not multiple times to get an average and reduce the margin of error. Does anyone else think that this is not a very accurate way to benchmark? I would think that a timedemo would give one a much more precise result, since the exact same in-game scenario is being run on each card.
And once again Rollo is harping on noise. THis is from the guy who runs dual 7800GTX, which is clearly louder than a single X1800XT. Gee, that noise from your setup must be a real bummer, Rollo, with you being so sensitive to noise and all.
And once again Rollo is harping on noise. THis is from the guy who runs dual 7800GTX, which is clearly louder than a single X1800XT. Gee, that noise from your setup must be a real bummer, Rollo, with you being so sensitive to noise and all.
These two high-end cards are right on par with each other-- don't let anyone tell you any different. Rollo saying the XT only wins 2 benches doesn't mean the GTX wins the other 6. Doesn't look like the GTX even wins 1. The point is, from all of the reviews out there, these 2 cards match up quite well.
The 512mb of ram and the ability to do HDR and AA at the same time are nice features, but right now you're paying a premium for those features for a card that is now 4+ months later to market than it's closely-matched direct competitor, louder, and higher priced.
You can say all you want that the XT prices will drop as they begin to trickle into the market, but that doesn't make it a good buy right now. So you wait. And, normally, this approach would be fine, but, this time anyway, it appears nVidia has a response in the wings that should prove to provide better performance than both cards and be priced right around the XT. Please tell me how this could even be considered anywhere close to a "win" for ATI.
The 512mb of ram and the ability to do HDR and AA at the same time are nice features, but right now you're paying a premium for those features for a card that is now 4+ months later to market than it's closely-matched direct competitor, louder, and higher priced.
You can say all you want that the XT prices will drop as they begin to trickle into the market, but that doesn't make it a good buy right now. So you wait. And, normally, this approach would be fine, but, this time anyway, it appears nVidia has a response in the wings that should prove to provide better performance than both cards and be priced right around the XT. Please tell me how this could even be considered anywhere close to a "win" for ATI.
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: malG
The X1800XT cost 20% more ($100) than 7800GTX but the X1800XT cannot match the cheaper 7800GTX?
In that case, why would somebody be dumb enough to buy X1800XT?
Looks like someone is brainwashed
Saying another member is "brainwashed" is hardly a response to his point.
The XT does cost $100-$170 more than the 7800GTX, and failed to distinguish itself in any meaningful way in this review other than by annoying the reviewers with it's high pitched whine during gaming?
You should address his point with facts rather than implying he is somehow mentally impaired.
Like I just did with you.
We're comparing current prices, because that's all the buyer today has to pick from.
In 5 months, we can look at the pricing situation again if you like.
dug777
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It doesn't matter that someone thinks the settings difference is not noticeable to the eye, the fact is that they put a higher level of stress on the gfx card...benchmark results look pretty good for the XT to me if you think of it like that eh?
A blanket statement like 'only won 2/8 benchmarks' is completely misleading in this situation imo.
A blanket statement like 'only won 2/8 benchmarks' is completely misleading in this situation imo.
Keysplayr
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You're talking June. I'm talking about the time in which we live now. RIGHT NOW.
Why reference the GTX launch price five months later when it is 150 dollars cheaper right now? I don't see your point? What does the GTX launch price have to do with what people have to pay for these cards RIGHT NOW?
It wasn't the db they complained about Morph, it was the high pitched whine? I can assure you my 7800GTXs have no high pitched whine.
This was the same as with the 5800U. People didn't mind the fan speed, they minded the high pitched whine the fan design made.
Gamingphreek
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WHich turned out to be a simply design flaw. The 5800's shipped with the fan rubbing against where it was mounted on the HS, thereby inducing what we now know as......
dum dum dum:
"Leaf Blower"!!
-Kevin
Again I stand corrected, thanks for confirming that the X1800XT is TWICE as loud at the "2nd stage"!!!
Fair enough. You just verified that the X1800XT is twice as loud as the 7800GTX while gaming, and it has the whine.
Gamingphreek
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No actually the article says 3db (For some reason i always think 2). It says 10 times the power gives +10 dB.
I can prove it too. Listen to a standard HDD at idle (not notebook, or Samsung ya know). THen listen to it when it seeks. That is actually only 3dba louder but it is probably about double the noise you were hearing. Remember an exponential/logarithmic curve. Yes, after a certain point it is probably 10 because the graph begins to level out as it hits the horizontal asymptote, however before that it is going almost straight up.
-Kevin
Hacp
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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: malG
The X1800XT cost 20% more ($100) than 7800GTX but the X1800XT cannot match the cheaper 7800GTX?
In that case, why would somebody be dumb enough to buy X1800XT?
Looks like someone is brainwashed
Saying another member is "brainwashed" is hardly a response to his point.
The XT does cost $100-$170 more than the 7800GTX, and failed to distinguish itself in any meaningful way in this review other than by annoying the reviewers with it's high pitched whine during gaming?
You should address his point with facts rather than implying he is somehow mentally impaired.
Like I just did with you.
DId you get what his statement meant? He said that the XT was more expensive AND that it couldn't match the GTX in performance. THat is obviously a brainwashed statement, and you are a fanboy for defending him on that comment.
rbV5
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I thought the article I linked explained it pretty well, 3dB does indeed double the sound "power", however he says "Note, too, that a doubling of the power does not make a huge difference to the loudness." and goes on to explain why it takes +10dB to double the actual percieved loudness, are you saying he is incorrect?
Kevin's right, just look at the graph on their page:
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/graphics/LI.GIF
"twice the power gives +3 dB"
Haha, owned yourself
j/kOk, does the sound actually matter. Anyone who can afford to buy one isn't going to use the stock heatsink anyways. Not to mentin that in the HardOCP article they say that the sound levels are going to vary based on what HSF combinations the card manufacturers put on them. Now let's get back to the performance.
I hate HardOCP video card reviews, always have and always will, because they don't bench them at the same settings with varying quality. Pretty much every other reviewer does it that way. Another things is that playable has a different meanign for everyone. I would hardly have considered a lot of there stuff playable, but that's just me. I've seen other, better, reviews. I also don't believe that the HardOCP review takes into accoutn the new Catalyst drivers that make use of the programmable memory controller. Because of that I believe the X1800XT isn't winning by that much in some reviews, and losing in a select few. Taking both of those things into account makes the X1800XT a far superior card for the moment.
I have heard some rather interesting news about the new nVidia card, the 512MB 7800GTX. Either way I don't think getting either card is going to be worth it. While the new nVidia card may be better than the X1800XT I still don't think it's worth paying like $600+ for it. You can get a brand new 7800 GT for half that price, about $300 after rebates and it's definitely more than half the performance of even the new nVidia card should the rumors be true.
EDIT: Wow, after posting on Guru3D so much I forgot my post count here is like nill. Though I don't think it's matters much since a lot of people's posts are probably just bumps for selling stuff anyways, like mine.
I hate HardOCP video card reviews, always have and always will, because they don't bench them at the same settings with varying quality. Pretty much every other reviewer does it that way. Another things is that playable has a different meanign for everyone. I would hardly have considered a lot of there stuff playable, but that's just me. I've seen other, better, reviews. I also don't believe that the HardOCP review takes into accoutn the new Catalyst drivers that make use of the programmable memory controller. Because of that I believe the X1800XT isn't winning by that much in some reviews, and losing in a select few. Taking both of those things into account makes the X1800XT a far superior card for the moment.
I have heard some rather interesting news about the new nVidia card, the 512MB 7800GTX. Either way I don't think getting either card is going to be worth it. While the new nVidia card may be better than the X1800XT I still don't think it's worth paying like $600+ for it. You can get a brand new 7800 GT for half that price, about $300 after rebates and it's definitely more than half the performance of even the new nVidia card should the rumors be true.
EDIT: Wow, after posting on Guru3D so much I forgot my post count here is like nill. Though I don't think it's matters much since a lot of people's posts are probably just bumps for selling stuff anyways, like mine.
Originally posted by: rbV5
did you read those parts? listen to the sound bites?
Thanks for the link. I inderstand completely what they are saying in the article. While a 3db increase correlates to a 2X increase in sound power, sound "power" does not correlate directly to percieved loudness. I had a feeling this might be the case.
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