HardOCP CES Rumor: nVidia drops XFX Europe? Visiontek gets canned?

[akugami]

http://hardocp.com/news/2010/01/09/gpu_news_from_ces

Straight from HardOCP is a rumor that nVidia will drop XFX's European branch from their approved partners list. Repercussion for XFX getting into bed with AMD?

Visiontek is also said to be dropped from a major US etailer. This one doesn't make sense unless Visiontek's sales reps pissed off said major US etailer in a really big way or Visiontek has crappy quality cards that caused too much headache in the form of constant returns.

**EDIT**

Forgot to include link.

**EDIT**

I talked with someone who actually knows whats happening at XFX, and the rumor is completely false. XFX is working on fermi-based cards and are still producing GT200-cards (although VERY little coz Nvidia is using most GT200-chips for tesla/quadro). Nvidia-based XFX-cards won't be going anywhere in Europe.

Updated to include this post by MarcVenice.

 

[PingviN]

It would be a tragedy if Nvidia cut XFX off just because Nvidia couldn't compete better against HD4870/HD4850.

 

[VirtualLarry]

No one ever said NV was smart...

 

[Wreckage]

It would be a tragedy if Nvidia cut XFX off just because Nvidia couldn't compete better against HD4870/HD4850.

Yeah getting close to 70% of the video card market at one point and beating them in virtually every benchmark sure sounds like they were not competing.

Seems the OP left out the fact that AMD was going to do some cuts as well.

Expect to see two or three major brands fall by the wayside when it comes to NVIDIA and AMD GPUs.

Again I'm expecting NVIDIA to hit up near 80% of the market by the end of the year. Trimming a few lesser performing brands is just par for the course.

 

[v8envy]

Could read two things into this.

1. NV did the curbkicking. They think Fermi will be the best thing since sliced bread, and are in a "revenge" mindset. This is unlikely -- kicking a valuable customer because they're also your competition's customer is how you get investigated for anti-competitive practices.

2. XFX left on their own. They didn't believe Fermi is valuable enough to spend another quarter trying to survive off of G92 parts and thus didn't want to commit to whatever NV was asking to remain partners until Fermi hit.

Could be good, could be bad. Could be absolute bullshit.

 

[PingviN]

Yeah getting close to 70% of the video card market at one point and beating them in virtually every benchmark sure sounds like they were not competing.

If Nvidia was so great at the time, why did XFX move over from being Nvidia-exclusive to selling both brands?

 

[yh125d]

Yeah getting close to 70% of the video card market at one point and beating them in virtually every benchmark sure sounds like they were not competing.

I was with you til that crap

 

[Wreckage]

If Nvidia was so great at the time, why did XFX move over from being Nvidia-exclusive to selling both brands?

Because they went from being 3rd place at NVIDIA (behind BFG & EVGA) to being the top dog over at ATI. I would not be surprised if there was additional compensation in it for them as well.

I was with you til that crap

The GTX295 was the fastest card last round and the GTX285 was the fastest GPU. I really doubt anyone can dispute that.

 

[Rezist]

The 4890 does beat the GTX285 in some games. But it was released later. I think ATi getting 90% of the performance at 60% of the cost won over consumers.

 

[Nox51]

Yeah getting close to 70% of the video card market at one point and beating them in virtually every benchmark sure sounds like they were not competing.

Seems the OP left out the fact that AMD was going to do some cuts as well.



Again I'm expecting NVIDIA to hit up near 80% of the market by the end of the year. Trimming a few lesser performing brands is just par for the course.

oh shut the hell up you add nothing to the discussion.

 

[yh125d]

The GTX295 was the fastest card last round and the GTX285 was the fastest GPU. I really doubt anyone can dispute that.

Sure, but noone was talking about anything remotely GTX285/295.

 

[lavaheadache]

damn it, the Wreckage effect already kicked and wreckaged the damn thread. What are we to do.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yeah getting close to 70% of the video card market at one point and beating them in virtually every benchmark sure sounds like they were not competing.

Seems the OP left out the fact that AMD was going to do some cuts as well.



Again I'm expecting NVIDIA to hit up near 80% of the market by the end of the year. Trimming a few lesser performing brands is just par for the course.

More spinning. It said etailer . I personnally use Visiontek and have never had a problem and only 1 returned card from customers that burned out a fan . Now I won't go into the problems we have had with another GPU maker but its 10x what we have had with ATI products. It is not said NV will have 80% of the discrete market by years end . Only wreckage is making such bold statements.

 

[dguy6789]

Yeah getting close to 70% of the video card market at one point and beating them in virtually every benchmark sure sounds like they were not competing.

Seems the OP left out the fact that AMD was going to do some cuts as well.



Again I'm expecting NVIDIA to hit up near 80% of the market by the end of the year. Trimming a few lesser performing brands is just par for the course.

Nvidia has done nothing but lose marketshare to AMD since the 4800 series launched. From beginning to end of that entire generation, ATI had a superior product line if you look at price vs performance at every single price segment. The entire time they had that, you said value doesn't matter and only the performance crown matters. Then when ATI obtained the performance crown, you shut up about saying performance crown is the only thing that matters and talk about physX or marketshare or something. Right now you like to compare DX11 to PhysX and say DX11 is useless. It's as if you haven't been a gamer for long at all and think DX is something that can be so easily written off. Rest assured that once the Fermi has it, you will no longer be saying DX11 is useless.

The 4870 beat the GTX 260 and 260 Core 216 in more than 2/3rds of all tests and beat the GTX 280 in more than a couple tests. The 4850 had the upper hand against the 9800GTX+ and that didn't change when it was renamed to the GTS 250. The 4890 was roughly equivalent to the GTX 275 but it was always cheaper so that comparison is a no brainer as well. The 4870x2 had the performance crown for nearly a year until the GTX 295 came out which didn't even have the performance crown undisputed, it lost to the 4870x2 in a very reasonable number of games. The 295 was always well over $100 more expensive while being 2% faster. The 4850x2 destroyed the GTX 280 and 285 from beginning to end. It was always cheaper than either the 280 or the 285 from launch until cancellation of the 285. Every time I brought up this point to you, you said it didn't count because it is an x2 card. But as soon as the GTX 295 was the only thing that Nvidia had to compete with the 5870, you didn't have a single negative thing to say about x2 cards.

If Fermi ends up being slower and more expensive than AMD's counter parts, you will still tell people it's the better choice because of PhysX, 3D Vision, drivers, reliability, and whatever BS you can come up with.

 

[lavaheadache]

You can't argue with a spam bot. There is no way there is actual person behind the wheel on this one. Definately a programmed entity that can form on-the-fly responses with the same general response.

 

[konakona]

You can't argue with a spam bot. There is no way there is actual person behind the wheel on this one. Definately a programmed entity that can form on-the-fly responses with the same general response.

I luled at this
You gotta give him some credit for being able to keep a straight face with all that flak he gets (righteously so).

 

[happy medium]

Nvidia has done nothing but lose marketshare to AMD since the 4800 series launched. From beginning to end of that entire generation, ATI had a superior product line if you look at price vs performance at every single price segment. The entire time they had that, you said value doesn't matter and only the performance crown matters. Then when ATI obtained the performance crown, you shut up about saying performance crown is the only thing that matters and talk about physX or marketshare or something. Right now you like to compare DX11 to PhysX and say DX11 is useless. It's as if you haven't been a gamer for long at all and think DX is something that can be so easily written off. Rest assured that once the Fermi has it, you will no longer be saying DX11 is useless.

and 285 from beginning to endThe 4870 beat the GTX 260 and 260 Core 216 in more than 2/3rds of all tests and beat the GTX 280 in more than a couple tests. The 4850 had the upper hand against the 9800GTX+ and that didn't change when it was renamed to the GTS 250. The 4890 was roughly equivalent to the GTX 275 but it was always cheaper so that comparison is a no brainer as well. The 4870x2 had the performance crown for nearly a year until the GTX 295 came out which didn't even have the performance crown undisputed, it lost to the 4870x2 in a very reasonable number of games. The 295 was always well over $100 more expensive while being 2% faster. The 4850x2 destroyed the GTX 280 . It was always cheaper than either the 280 or the 285 from launch until cancellation of the 285. Every time I brought up this point to you, you said it didn't count because it is an x2 card. But as soon as the GTX 295 was the only thing that Nvidia had to compete with the 5870, you didn't have a single negative thing to say about x2 cards.

If Fermi ends up being slower and more expensive than AMD's counter parts, you will still tell people it's the better choice because of PhysX, 3D Vision, drivers, reliability, and whatever BS you can come up with.

I disagree here. You are giving price performance ,not performance.
You don't pit cards up against each other by price only.

1. ultra high end = gtx 295 overall beats the 4870x2
2. high end = gtx 280/85 overall beats the 4890 (ATI'S single gpu flagship) Came out a year later
3. high mid range = gtx 275 beats the 4870 and ties the 4890
4. mid range = gtx 260 ties the 4870
5. low mid range = gts 250 ties the 4850
6. low end =9800gt ties the 4830?

On a per card basis Nvidia wins.

I just traded my gtx 260 for a 5750 and 40$. Just in case you think I'm a fanboy.

 

[ochadd]

You can't argue with a spam bot. There is no way there is actual person behind the wheel on this one. Definately a programmed entity that can form on-the-fly responses with the same general response.

That's awesome.

 

[lopri]

VisionTek makes AMD cards, I thought?

 

[SRoode]

I disagree here. You are giving price performance ,not performance.
You don't pit cards up against each other by price only.

1. ultra high end = gtx 295 overall beats the 4870x2
2. high end = gtx 280/85 overall beats the 4890 (ATI'S single gpu flagship) Came out a year later
3. high mid range = gtx 275 beats the 4870 and ties the 4890
4. mid range = gtx 260 ties the 4870
5. low mid range = gts 250 ties the 4850
6. low end =9800gt ties the 4830?

On a per card basis Nvidia wins.

I just traded my gtx 260 for a 5750 and 40$. Just in case you think I'm a fanboy.

Time to change your signature...

 

[happy medium]

Time to change your signature...

OH yea thanks. I forgot.
And I also only paid 125$ shipped for my gtx 260 (so I actually paid 85$ for the 5750) and have a crossfire board in case your wondering why I did the trade.

 

[T2k]

nvidia has done nothing but lose marketshare to amd since the 4800 series launched. From beginning to end of that entire generation, ati had a superior product line if you look at price vs performance at every single price segment. The entire time they had that, you said value doesn't matter and only the performance crown matters. Then when ati obtained the performance crown, you shut up about saying performance crown is the only thing that matters and talk about physx or marketshare or something. Right now you like to compare dx11 to physx and say dx11 is useless. It's as if you haven't been a gamer for long at all and think dx is something that can be so easily written off. Rest assured that once the fermi has it, you will no longer be saying dx11 is useless.

The 4870 beat the gtx 260 and 260 core 216 in more than 2/3rds of all tests and beat the gtx 280 in more than a couple tests. The 4850 had the upper hand against the 9800gtx+ and that didn't change when it was renamed to the gts 250. The 4890 was roughly equivalent to the gtx 275 but it was always cheaper so that comparison is a no brainer as well. The 4870x2 had the performance crown for nearly a year until the gtx 295 came out which didn't even have the performance crown undisputed, it lost to the 4870x2 in a very reasonable number of games. The 295 was always well over $100 more expensive while being 2% faster. The 4850x2 destroyed the gtx 280 and 285 from beginning to end. It was always cheaper than either the 280 or the 285 from launch until cancellation of the 285. Every time i brought up this point to you, you said it didn't count because it is an x2 card. But as soon as the gtx 295 was the only thing that nvidia had to compete with the 5870, you didn't have a single negative thing to say about x2 cards.

If fermi ends up being slower and more expensive than amd's counter parts, you will still tell people it's the better choice because of physx, 3d vision, drivers, reliability, and whatever bs you can come up with.

qft

 

[Meghan54]

I disagree here. You are giving price performance ,not performance.
You don't pit cards up against each other by price only.

I'm a fanboy.

Actually, for the vast majority of people out there, price is a very important metric in deciding on any purchase, video card, car, whatever. Remember, most people work within a budget and price/performance in whatever product is being bought is a huge factor.

And once you factor in price, the competition is much closer than you obviously care to admit.

 

[akugami]

Yeah getting close to 70% of the video card market at one point and beating them in virtually every benchmark sure sounds like they were not competing.

Seems the OP left out the fact that AMD was going to do some cuts as well.

Again I'm expecting NVIDIA to hit up near 80% of the market by the end of the year. Trimming a few lesser performing brands is just par for the course.

Yeah, I did forget to put it in but that news seemed minor compared to the two points I did put in. It's not like I was trying to hide the information or, god forbid, falsify the information. I did include the link for a reason.

And if "trimming a few lesser performing brands" is not a big deal then why include only AMD when mentioning the cuts? The news blurb (which is still in the rumor stage) mentions both nVidia and AMD making cuts.

Because they went from being 3rd place at NVIDIA (behind BFG & EVGA) to being the top dog over at ATI. I would not be surprised if there was additional compensation in it for them as well.

Yeah, let's trash XFX now that they are rumored to be dropped by nVidia. Forget how XFX is a high quality OEM and everyone who used to buy XFX nVidia cards liked the warranty policies as well as quality of XFX. Now that they're rumored to be going to be dropped by nVidia (while crappier OEM's remain), they were only a 3rd place vendor. Good riddance.



And I didn't realize this thread was about market share or performance. Cause everyone knows AMD had the best bang for the buck in the last generation of cards as well as having a video card powerful enough to satisfy everyone but the top 5% or so of gamers.

Wreckage, if you believe nVidia will gain 80% market share then put your money where your mouth is. If nVidia gains 80% market share in the next year then you win. If they don't, I win. I am willing to put $5000.00 USD in an escrow service if you are willing to do the same with payment to be handed out by an impartial 3rd party/judge after the year is up. Basically all my winnings from NFL football this year but I love gambling so this is no different than any other sports futures bet like betting on who would win the Superbowl at the beginning of the year.

I disagree here. You are giving price performance ,not performance.
You don't pit cards up against each other by price only....

The thing is that dguy6789's point remains valid. Wreckage makes one argument to favor nVidia, then when that argument is gone because of AMD catching up or even passing nVidia then he argues by another metric and says the first didn't matter or don't mention it at all.

 

[happy medium]

Actually, for the vast majority of people out there, price is a very important metric in deciding on any purchase, video card, car, whatever. Remember, most people work within a budget and price/performance in whatever product is being bought is a huge factor.

And once you factor in price, the competition is much closer than you obviously care to admit.

But we were talking about performance and cards sold and market share.

Nvidia owns all three. I like the underdog and competition too but facts are facts.

If a the owner of Chevy challenges the owner of Ford in a race and tells him to bring YOUR BEST! and the owner of Ford brings a cheaper Mustang, does that mean its better or faster then a Vette? Does Ford have the better car because its cheaper and ALMOST as fast? NO.

The Ford owner should have bought the Ford GT to the race. But then again it costs 2 times the Vette?

If me and you race and I beat you . Do you still somehow win because your car was cheaper?

In the race to have the fastest graphics cards, the key word is fastest.