HardOCP: Blu-Ray is the WINNAR!

[JujuFish]

The winner will be the media backed by the porn industry.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: JujuFish
The winner will be the media backed by the porn industry.

That might have been the case with VHS back in the 1980's, but most folks now just watch their pr0n online since it's easier to hide it from their SO that way.

Besides, do you really think that those fake boobs are really going to look better in HD?

 

[BillyBatson]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: BillyBatson
first off everyone over at HardOCP are all JACKARSES!!!!! a LOT of the crap they are is just bloated full of personal opinions, favortisim, and fanboyism. Theay constantly argue, fight with other more legit sites, and pass their opinions off as fact.

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Good friend of mine works there, he's as nice a guy as you'd want to meet.

does he write any of their articles? cuz maybe they just become jackarses when they write things they think everyone will read....

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Why does one have to declare that EITHER of this formats will ultimately catch on? I don't think either will. Its like choosing whether DVD-Audio or SACDs will dominate the music market a few years ago. The answer is undeniably neither.

With the HVD discs coming out within a year or so, its going to leave both Blu-Ray AND HD-DVD discs quickly obsolete and I just don't see most people being willing to shell out the money to make an incremental upgrade over DVD (its not the same league as the upgrade from VHS->DVD) when something that is potentially a HUGE upgrade is right on the horizon.

There's no question that DVDs will be obsolete at some point, but it won't be because of Blu-Ray or HD-DVDs

what the hell is HVD?

 

[Ronin]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: BDawg
Its far too early to call a winner in the war, because its far to early for the vast majority of consumers to care. Early adopters arent going to decide this, and neither is the PS3.

It's soon enough to show that BluRay blew past HD-DVD when HD-DVD had the release edge, and several 100,000's sales ahead of BluRay.

Point of fact: Storage capacity does make a difference
Point of fact: Movie studios factor in and BluRay has the edge there (SPE alone had what...15 #1 Movies last year?)
Point of fact: BluRay is cheaper, cost per GB, and is easily attainable (through your friendly neighborhood console providers), and comes with a gaming system to boot.

 

[mb]

I really don't care who wins anymore. I think the two formats will coexist for quite a while. I'm just waiting for a cheap dual-format player.

 

[yllus]

Originally posted by: Ronin
Point of fact: Storage capacity does make a difference
Point of fact: Movie studios factor in and BluRay has the edge there (SPE alone had what...15 #1 Movies last year?)
Point of fact: BluRay is cheaper, cost per GB, and is easily attainable (through your friendly neighborhood console providers), and comes with a gaming system to boot.

HD-DVD versus Bluray: Microsoft employees weigh the pros and cons.

Disc Manufacturing

Bluray: Recording surface very close to the top layer of the disc - a 1.1mm substrate followed by the data layer, and a 0.1mm protective cover. High reliability of manufacturing thus becomes an issue as Bluray disc manufacturers try to apply a very thin protective layer and inevitably contaminate the data layer of a number of discs. Evidence of manufacturing issues? Current Bluray discs are shipping at half-capacity of what was originally announced; 25GB instead of 50GB per disc.

HD-DVD: Akin to current DVD manufacturing design, consists of a 0.6mm and 0.6mm sandwich with the data layer in the middle.


Video Compression Scheme (Codecs)

With a 1-gigabit per second bandwidth requirement for uncompressed high definition (1080p) video, there is a clear need for a codec to fit a feature-length movie on a 25GB or 30GB disc. Both Bluray and HD-DVD support three codecs: MPEG2, the scheme used today on DVDs, and two new codecs, Microsoft?s VC-1, and H.264 MPEG4. All Bluray and HD-DVD players support each of the three codecs. The actual decision of which codec to use falls on the content provider.

Bluray: Currently a 25GB disc, supports all three codec standards. Bluray studios currently making use of MPEG2, a less efficient compression scheme by a factor of 2x or 3x than VC-1 (a comparison to H.264 MPEG4 was not made). This requires that a higher compression ratio is used, which amounts to more data containing information about how the picture should be represented is thrown away. In other words, lowered video quality due to the inefficient use of space available on the disc.

HD-DVD: Currently a 15GB or 30GB disc, supporting all three codec standards. All HD-DVD studios are making use of VC-1 on 30GB discs, with special assistance by Microsoft being provided to each with the goal of optimizing video quality.


Movie Studio Support

Bluray: Paramount, Warner Brothers, Sony, Fox, Disney.

HD-DVD: Universal, Paramount, Warner Brothers, Studio Canale. Amir points out that Warner put out 50% of the top movies of the last year - quality over quantity?

 

[Ronin]

News flash. That's from July 2006 (last year means 2005...welcome to 2007, where last year is now 2006, and the #'s aren't the same) . Find something more up to date.

In regards to storage capacity: More room means more content or pretty visuals. That's common sense. That also means more stuff provided with movies (misc crap, in most cases).

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: yllus

Originally posted by: Ronin
Point of fact: Storage capacity does make a difference
Point of fact: Movie studios factor in and BluRay has the edge there (SPE alone had what...15 #1 Movies last year?)
Point of fact: BluRay is cheaper, cost per GB, and is easily attainable (through your friendly neighborhood console providers), and comes with a gaming system to boot.

HD-DVD versus Bluray: Microsoft employees weigh the pros and cons.

Disc Manufacturing

Bluray: Recording surface very close to the top layer of the disc - a 1.1mm substrate followed by the data layer, and a 0.1mm protective cover. High reliability of manufacturing thus becomes an issue as Bluray disc manufacturers try to apply a very thin protective layer and inevitably contaminate the data layer of a number of discs. Evidence of manufacturing issues? Current Bluray discs are shipping at half-capacity of what was originally announced; 25GB instead of 50GB per disc.

HD-DVD: Akin to current DVD manufacturing design, consists of a 0.6mm and 0.6mm sandwich with the data layer in the middle.


Video Compression Scheme (Codecs)

With a 1-gigabit per second bandwidth requirement for uncompressed high definition (1080p) video, there is a clear need for a codec to fit a feature-length movie on a 25GB or 30GB disc. Both Bluray and HD-DVD support three codecs: MPEG2, the scheme used today on DVDs, and two new codecs, Microsoft?s VC-1, and H.264 MPEG4. All Bluray and HD-DVD players support each of the three codecs. The actual decision of which codec to use falls on the content provider.

Bluray: Currently a 25GB disc, supports all three codec standards. Bluray studios currently making use of MPEG2, a less efficient compression scheme by a factor of 2x or 3x than VC-1 (a comparison to H.264 MPEG4 was not made). This requires that a higher compression ratio is used, which amounts to more data containing information about how the picture should be represented is thrown away. In other words, lowered video quality due to the inefficient use of space available on the disc.

HD-DVD: Currently a 15GB or 30GB disc, supporting all three codec standards. All HD-DVD studios are making use of VC-1 on 30GB discs, with special assistance by Microsoft being provided to each with the goal of optimizing video quality.


Movie Studio Support

Bluray: Paramount, Warner Brothers, Sony, Fox, Disney.

HD-DVD: Universal, Paramount, Warner Brothers, Studio Canale. Amir points out that Warner put out 50% of the top movies of the last year - quality over quantity?

roffle

 

[mugs]

Thread title != OP contents

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
roffle

What's so funny?

 

[ultimatebob]

Personally, I'm hoping that BluRay format wins. The format is more durable and scratch resistant, which would benefit folks like Netflix who send lots of discs the mail with little protection.

 

[BD2003]

It's soon enough to show that BluRay blew past HD-DVD when HD-DVD had the release edge, and several 100,000's sales ahead of BluRay.

BR has an early boost from the PS3 effect. HD-DVD prices are dropping like a rock, and this may even it out.

Point of fact: Storage capacity does make a difference

Theoretically sure. It certainly doesnt help when mpeg 2 is used on BR, and I've yet to see a side by side comparison showing BRs superiority. Which will really only be evident in still screencaps, unless someone finds an extreme example of a TV studio trying to cram an entire season on one disc, for instance.

Point of fact: Movie studios factor in and BluRay has the edge there (SPE alone had what...15 #1 Movies last year?)

The studios will go where the money is. The people will go where they know they are sure they can get ANY movie they want. Which is why I still dont believe there will be serious sales until dual format players are commonplace. Right now, BR has a lead by default, but if HD DVD can out price them, it can certainly prevent total death of HD DVD until dual format is standard.

Point of fact: BluRay is cheaper, cost per GB, and is easily attainable (through your friendly neighborhood console providers), and comes with a gaming system to boot.

Standalone HD-DVDs are cheaper, and can be just as easily attained by walking into a store, for less than the friendly neighborhood console provider is trying to push on you. Cost per GB is cute theoretically, but meaningless in practice.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Personally, I'm hoping that BluRay format wins. The format is more durable and scratch resistant, which would benefit folks like Netflix who send lots of discs the mail with little protection.

That is because the nature of the format (data very close to the surface) necessitated the development of a scratch-resistant coating. There is nothing preventing the use of the Durabis coating in HD-DVDs and DVDs, and I really think that every format SHOULD use the coating.

Blu-Ray has a big advantage in capacity, which is good.

 

[Slick5150]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Why does one have to declare that EITHER of this formats will ultimately catch on? I don't think either will. Its like choosing whether DVD-Audio or SACDs will dominate the music market a few years ago. The answer is undeniably neither.

With the HVD discs coming out within a year or so, its going to leave both Blu-Ray AND HD-DVD discs quickly obsolete and I just don't see most people being willing to shell out the money to make an incremental upgrade over DVD (its not the same league as the upgrade from VHS->DVD) when something that is potentially a HUGE upgrade is right on the horizon.

There's no question that DVDs will be obsolete at some point, but it won't be because of Blu-Ray or HD-DVDs

what the hell is HVD?

Holographic Versatile Disc - Up to 3.9 Terabytes on a disc.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Why does one have to declare that EITHER of this formats will ultimately catch on? I don't think either will. Its like choosing whether DVD-Audio or SACDs will dominate the music market a few years ago. The answer is undeniably neither.

With the HVD discs coming out within a year or so, its going to leave both Blu-Ray AND HD-DVD discs quickly obsolete and I just don't see most people being willing to shell out the money to make an incremental upgrade over DVD (its not the same league as the upgrade from VHS->DVD) when something that is potentially a HUGE upgrade is right on the horizon.

There's no question that DVDs will be obsolete at some point, but it won't be because of Blu-Ray or HD-DVDs

what the hell is HVD?

Holographic Versatile Disc - Up to 3.9 Terabytes on a disc.

Holy ****balls.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: Slick5150
Why does one have to declare that EITHER of this formats will ultimately catch on? I don't think either will. Its like choosing whether DVD-Audio or SACDs will dominate the music market a few years ago. The answer is undeniably neither.

With the HVD discs coming out within a year or so, its going to leave both Blu-Ray AND HD-DVD discs quickly obsolete and I just don't see most people being willing to shell out the money to make an incremental upgrade over DVD (its not the same league as the upgrade from VHS->DVD) when something that is potentially a HUGE upgrade is right on the horizon.

There's no question that DVDs will be obsolete at some point, but it won't be because of Blu-Ray or HD-DVDs

what the hell is HVD?

Holographic Versatile Disc - Up to 3.9 Terabytes on a disc.

Holy ****balls.

me likey

 

[Apocalypse23]

I prefer blu-ray personally, I bought the ps3 for the sole reason and to also play tekken, etc . 1080p content has a lot of data and im sure in the future they will release movies with higher capacity to fit on a blu-ray, the quality itself is breathtaking.

Here's a small comparison from some dude on the internet :

http://www.gamescentral.com/blogs/tek_j...blu-ray-vs-xbox-360-hd-dvd-vs-dvd.aspx

What i couldn't beleive was that from the images displayed, blu-ray looked deeper and sharper yet the author favored HD quality. Anyhow I know from these screenshots blu-ray definately looks better.

Then again we need to see these differences of 1080p content only on a 46" or greater " tv.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
I prefer blu-ray personally, I bought the ps3 for the sole reason and to also play tekken, etc . 1080p content has a lot of data and im sure in the future they will release movies with higher capacity to fit on a blu-ray, the quality itself is breathtaking.

Here's a small comparison from some dude on the internet :

http://www.gamescentral.com/blogs/tek_j...blu-ray-vs-xbox-360-hd-dvd-vs-dvd.aspx

What i couldn't beleive was that from the images displayed, blu-ray looked deeper and sharper yet the author favored HD quality. Anyhow I know from these screenshots blu-ray definately looks better.

Then again we need to see these differences of 1080p content only on a 46" or greater " tv.

Blu-ray has an obvious red push and colors are overblown, causing detail to be lost. Sony is notorious for this. While it may make the picture pop more on store shelves, it isn't accurately representing the picture.

 

[k1pp3r]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I'm rooting for BluRay myself. I have a great and desperate need for its large storage space.

Once BluRay computer drives fall below 200, I'm picking one up. So, likely some time in 2008.

Go ahead, sony has stated that the adult industry will not be able to use BluRay, which will put HD-DVD on top once production of HD content wraps up. Make no mistake, the adult DVD sales account for around $4 billion a year.

Good luck BluRay, you have an uphill battle.

I'm still not decided which one i like, i havn't seen video on either.

 

[thujone]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Dual-format players may make it possible to enjoy both types of discs with no worries, but at the moment, that option is limited and cost prohibitive. However, seldom in the consumer technology sector have we seen an amicable co-existence such as this. We happen to feel that Blu-ray will be left standing when the dust settles, but we also feel that the race is still just beginning. Whatever the case, we hope that the consumers will weigh their options carefully and make the decision that will provide them with the best entertainment value.

Entire Article

yes... i'm sure this is an objective opinion.

not like hardocp has ever been influenced by swag, cash, or advertising...

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: k1pp3r

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I'm rooting for BluRay myself. I have a great and desperate need for its large storage space.

Once BluRay computer drives fall below 200, I'm picking one up. So, likely some time in 2008.

Go ahead, sony has stated that the adult industry will not be able to use BluRay, which will put HD-DVD on top once production of HD content wraps up. Make no mistake, the adult DVD sales account for around $4 billion a year.

Good luck BluRay, you have an uphill battle.

I'm still not decided which one i like, i havn't seen video on either.

And non-porn DVD sales account for a lot more than $4 billion a year. Something like $20 billion actually. I've listed plenty of good reasons why the porn industry will have little impact on Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD in the past, but I really don't feel like finding my old posts or typing them out again.

Right now, I think it is HD-DVD that has the uphill battle considering that the PS3 has greatly increased the number of Blu-Ray players out there, and Blu-Ray has a significantly higher capacity.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

I don't care who wins. When the combo-players drop to under $500 I'll buy one.

 

[Staples]

Sure there are people who say they are wrong to crown a king now but how could HD DVD possibly win?

There is hardly a war as far as I see. The only hope for HD DVD is price.

 

[secretanchitman]

spider-man 3 on blu-ray FTW.

i dunno...i feel like blu-ray will win, but i wouldnt really care if hd-dvd does either.

as long as dual-format players come below $500, then ill be fine.

 

[Apocalypse23]

Well considering the fact that they have blu-ray burners for the pc in stores, it won't be a surpirse when soon we'll resort to blu-ray dvds from standard dvds, simply for storage purposes and movie watching. I'm sure in the future we shall see movies coming out at even higher quality rates with more data to capture filling blu-rays. Blu ray for the win imo!