HANS BLIX: A war of utter folly

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: chucky2

We will never "win" this fight if we just do the typical American least amount of effort so I don't have to be inconvienced thing...it will take actual effort, you know, spine. I know it's lacking in a lot of people now a days, it's been PC'd out of so many, but, that's what it's going to take.

Chuck

So says Commander Keyboard of the 101st Living Room Division, he leads from the rear so they can die at the front.

I'm sure you completely do with out any of the modern conveniences you accuse others of doing, because you Make the Difficult Sacrifices. Sure the family that lost a family member in Iraq has heard of sacrifice, but only you truly know what it means. You can look at them and go, "Hey, they had to die because sacrifices had to be made, I made sacrifices too."

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: chucky2
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What I'm aware of is that Iraq was controlled by a fruitcake. I'm aware he was smack dab in a region of vital importance to the US. I'm aware that radical Islamists, who get that way because they are brainwashed/mind F'd by people who were brainwashed/mind F'd and so on, killed 3,000 of our own civilians - on purpose - on 9/11...and scores more before. I'm aware that short of what we just did in Iraq, in no way will real change EVER happen in the ME so they get out of their mind F'dness. I'm aware that you'd trade long term progress in the ME - all the while letting the oppression and hate there build and build and build for however long it takes them to get out of it, if ever - until your precious UN did something about it...which means never. You'd gladly keep taking 9/11's in the face w/o doing anything to really solve the problem because unless you or yours were personally affected, you just don't want to offend anyone....civ deaths of your own population are much more preferable to that. I'm aware you have absoF'inglutely no long term vision and cannot objectively look at the risk/sacrifice vs. reward factors...in short, you fail at anything other than appeasement.

International Law...I LOL'd. Tell me Craig234, which law was going to go out after 9/11 and drag those responsible in to face trial? Which law was that? Oh? No such law? You mean, wait, laws don't actually do anything??? God...I...I just didn't realize that. Wow...thanks there for straightening me out. Man, I really thought laws or the UN would go and get OBL... Laws...god, that was funny.
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Chuck

Could you conflate 9/11 and Iraq a few more times, if at all possible?

I'm not saying Iraq was responsible for 9/11 - it wasn't.

The point is that 9/11 events are going to keep happening in the future until the ME changes as a whole. Oppression is going to keep happening over there until the ME changes as a whole. Iraq is central to all the powerhouse countries there - minus Pakistan - so "fixing" Iraq is as good a place to start as any.

It's not going to be short. It won't be deliverd in the McDonald's timeframes American's want to see things happen in. It's going to keep the 15 seconds of bad images on TV/Internet that so inconvience 99% of Americans, oh the horror. Even worse, it may cause some of us to not be able to afford teh $9 double choco moca latte everyday...might cause some of us to not max out the credit cards and drive a 17mph SUV 50 miles to work and back each day.

But, in the long long long run...it'll have been worth it........if it's handled correctly.

Chuck

So we defeat opression by occupying a country and causing the deaths of a 100,000+ of its citizens?

If Saddam Would have Killed 1,000,000 I'd call that a 900,000 savings. Face it Abu Ghrab prison was usually a one way prison. You never checked out...

In a Revolutionary War Freedom isn't handed to you it's earned. Do you not think our revolutionary war had no any casualties?

What Revolutionary War is going on?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: cliftonite

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: chucky2
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What I'm aware of is that Iraq was controlled by a fruitcake. I'm aware he was smack dab in a region of vital importance to the US. I'm aware that radical Islamists, who get that way because they are brainwashed/mind F'd by people who were brainwashed/mind F'd and so on, killed 3,000 of our own civilians - on purpose - on 9/11...and scores more before. I'm aware that short of what we just did in Iraq, in no way will real change EVER happen in the ME so they get out of their mind F'dness. I'm aware that you'd trade long term progress in the ME - all the while letting the oppression and hate there build and build and build for however long it takes them to get out of it, if ever - until your precious UN did something about it...which means never. You'd gladly keep taking 9/11's in the face w/o doing anything to really solve the problem because unless you or yours were personally affected, you just don't want to offend anyone....civ deaths of your own population are much more preferable to that. I'm aware you have absoF'inglutely no long term vision and cannot objectively look at the risk/sacrifice vs. reward factors...in short, you fail at anything other than appeasement.

International Law...I LOL'd. Tell me Craig234, which law was going to go out after 9/11 and drag those responsible in to face trial? Which law was that? Oh? No such law? You mean, wait, laws don't actually do anything??? God...I...I just didn't realize that. Wow...thanks there for straightening me out. Man, I really thought laws or the UN would go and get OBL... Laws...god, that was funny.
...
Chuck

Could you conflate 9/11 and Iraq a few more times, if at all possible?

I'm not saying Iraq was responsible for 9/11 - it wasn't.

The point is that 9/11 events are going to keep happening in the future until the ME changes as a whole. Oppression is going to keep happening over there until the ME changes as a whole. Iraq is central to all the powerhouse countries there - minus Pakistan - so "fixing" Iraq is as good a place to start as any.

It's not going to be short. It won't be deliverd in the McDonald's timeframes American's want to see things happen in. It's going to keep the 15 seconds of bad images on TV/Internet that so inconvience 99% of Americans, oh the horror. Even worse, it may cause some of us to not be able to afford teh $9 double choco moca latte everyday...might cause some of us to not max out the credit cards and drive a 17mph SUV 50 miles to work and back each day.

But, in the long long long run...it'll have been worth it........if it's handled correctly.

Chuck

So we defeat opression by occupying a country and causing the deaths of a 100,000+ of its citizens?

If Saddam Would have Killed 1,000,000 I'd call that a 900,000 savings. Face it Abu Ghrab prison was usually a one way prison. You never checked out...

In a Revolutionary War Freedom isn't handed to you it's earned. Do you not think our revolutionary war had no any casualties?

What Revolutionary War is going on?

You kiddin right?

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: chucky2

We will never "win" this fight if we just do the typical American least amount of effort so I don't have to be inconvienced thing...it will take actual effort, you know, spine. I know it's lacking in a lot of people now a days, it's been PC'd out of so many, but, that's what it's going to take.

Chuck

So says Commander Keyboard of the 101st Living Room Division, he leads from the rear so they can die at the front.

I'm sure you completely do with out any of the modern conveniences you accuse others of doing, because you Make the Difficult Sacrifices. Sure the family that lost a family member in Iraq has heard of sacrifice, but only you truly know what it means. You can look at them and go, "Hey, they had to die because sacrifices had to be made, I made sacrifices too."

Sarcasm ahh so I guess you don't want to argue that we should be pansies? Fight a war you should fight to win not fight to not lose...

I have 1 family member over there at a forward operating base and another in the army as well that might get deployed well... whenever. Could be tomorrow could be never.

 

[Gaard]

chucky2 - You conflate 9/11 and Iraq endlessly - not unlike our fearless leader. You also seem very concerned that we 'win' this war. Let me ask you, have the terrorists that planned the attack on our twin towers 'won'? Do you think their mission was simply to kill people? 'Winning' seems to be very important to you. Do you think it's less important to them?