Hamas threw 'medicine grenades' at IDF

[magreen]

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Look at this cynical use of the humanitarian aid that Israel gives the Gazans.
Why doesn't this stuff ever get reported in the New York Times or any other Western paper? And why should Israel continue giving humanitarian aid to Gaza?

 

[MotF Bane]

In one instance, a Merkava tank from Brigade 401 rolled over a large explosive device that lifted the tank in the air but did not cause any serious damage, due to a plate of reinforced steel that was installed on the tank before the operation.

That's one big explosive. :shocked:

 

[MovingTarget]

I'd wager that it is because of the emotions flying around the region in general. People are too quick to dismiss said claims or justify them simply because of what 'side' they are on. From a Utilitarian standpoint though, anything that Hamas can use as a weapon they will, and Israel has more to lose by not giving aid then by giving aid. Hopefully this insanity will stop, but I'm doubtful that any meaningful peace will happen in my lifetime. 🙁

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

In one instance, a Merkava tank from Brigade 401 rolled over a large explosive device that lifted the tank in the air but did not cause any serious damage, due to a plate of reinforced steel that was installed on the tank before the operation.

That's one big explosive. :shocked:

That's a damn fine tank!

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: magreen
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Look at this cynical use of the humanitarian aid that Israel gives the Gazans.
Why doesn't this stuff ever get reported in the New York Times or any other Western paper? And why should Israel continue giving humanitarian aid to Gaza?

So would you be less outraged if the makeshift grenades were made with empty Egyptian or American medicine bottles? How about coke cans?

 

[ayabe]

More shit from jpost, thanks for that.

They shouldn't get medicine, they might use the empty containers to make a bomb, same applies to water.

In fact we should just kill those dirty apes.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: feralkid

Originally posted by: magreen
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Look at this cynical use of the humanitarian aid that Israel gives the Gazans.
Why doesn't this stuff ever get reported in the New York Times or any other Western paper? And why should Israel continue giving humanitarian aid to Gaza?

So would you be less outraged if the makeshift grenades were made with empty Egyptian or American medicine bottles? How about coke cans?

They won an ebay auction for an Elvis Liquor Decanter but because of the Gaza blockade it was stopped at the border.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

In one instance, a Merkava tank from Brigade 401 rolled over a large explosive device that lifted the tank in the air but did not cause any serious damage, due to a plate of reinforced steel that was installed on the tank before the operation.

That's one big explosive. :shocked:

That's a damn fine tank!

Must've taken some pointers from the Canadians! 😛

I wonder what the rating for the explosive they used was. That has got to be pretty powerful to lift a tank like that!

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

In one instance, a Merkava tank from Brigade 401 rolled over a large explosive device that lifted the tank in the air but did not cause any serious damage, due to a plate of reinforced steel that was installed on the tank before the operation.

That's one big explosive. :shocked:

You should see some of the footage from places like Iwo. Once the allied invasion fleet got close, enemy air power was evaporated, so the japs used a lot of the leftover ammunition as converted explosives. Nothing like a 500ib bomb becoming a makeshift ATM.

I can only imagine the shock to some marin walking behind an advancing sherman only to see it lifted into the air flipping to a landing spot some 50 yards or more away.

Assuming they didn't use such a large amount of explosives to just disintergrate the tank.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

In one instance, a Merkava tank from Brigade 401 rolled over a large explosive device that lifted the tank in the air but did not cause any serious damage, due to a plate of reinforced steel that was installed on the tank before the operation.

That's one big explosive. :shocked:

That's a damn fine tank!

Must've taken some pointers from the Canadians! 😛

I wonder what the rating for the explosive they used was. That has got to be pretty powerful to lift a tank like that!

I don't think they took pointers from the Canadians -- the Israeli armor designers are among the finest in the world. They do have the added advantage that their armor will never deploy via ship or plane, though, so they don't have to care about weight. Plus, there aren't too many rivers with small bridges over there. 🙂

 

[Aimster]

I don't think there is any tank in the world that can withstand some of the newer RPG rounds that have come out recently.

If Hamas were to get their hands on these .. well then.. nuke Gaza

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

In one instance, a Merkava tank from Brigade 401 rolled over a large explosive device that lifted the tank in the air but did not cause any serious damage, due to a plate of reinforced steel that was installed on the tank before the operation.

That's one big explosive. :shocked:

That's a damn fine tank!

israeli made!

according to wikipedia, it could have either been Merkava Mark II, Merkava Mark III, or Merkava Mark IV

all 3 were in use in this conflict.

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[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

In one instance, a Merkava tank from Brigade 401 rolled over a large explosive device that lifted the tank in the air but did not cause any serious damage, due to a plate of reinforced steel that was installed on the tank before the operation.

That's one big explosive. :shocked:

That's a damn fine tank!

Must've taken some pointers from the Canadians! 😛

I wonder what the rating for the explosive they used was. That has got to be pretty powerful to lift a tank like that!

I don't think they took pointers from the Canadians -- the Israeli armor designers are among the finest in the world. They do have the added advantage that their armor will never deploy via ship or plane, though, so they don't have to care about weight. Plus, there aren't too many rivers with small bridges over there. 🙂

Go over to OT, they will tell you everything you need to know about the supreme Canadian tank. 😛

Seriously though, the Israelis are damn-well versed in how to build armor...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

In one instance, a Merkava tank from Brigade 401 rolled over a large explosive device that lifted the tank in the air but did not cause any serious damage, due to a plate of reinforced steel that was installed on the tank before the operation.

That's one big explosive. :shocked:

That's a damn fine tank!

Yup, the Merkavas can take a direct hit from a land mine and all you need to do is to fix the band and it's good to go again. (it's got the parts in the side compartment and a good crew can fix it within 20 minutes)

It tickles me that it was "401" since that was my old unit halfway around the world in Kosovo.

I suppose that is why it caught my eye. 🙂

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: magreen
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Look at this cynical use of the humanitarian aid that Israel gives the Gazans.
Why doesn't this stuff ever get reported in the New York Times or any other Western paper? And why should Israel continue giving humanitarian aid to Gaza?

Take a look at the London papers, can you find it? How about the DT or the AP or any of the EU news outlets?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: magreen
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Look at this cynical use of the humanitarian aid that Israel gives the Gazans.
Why doesn't this stuff ever get reported in the New York Times or any other Western paper? And why should Israel continue giving humanitarian aid to Gaza?

This is the first time I've heard the accusation that the western media was not pro-Israel ENOUGH?!

I don't really have a side in this, as I think both Israel and Hamas are acting pretty worthless, to say that Israel's side somehow does not get reported over here seems awfully silly to me though.

 

[ericlp]

I have to admit I posted a jpost biased article but only to point out just how bad it was.

I would never intentionally read anything from that website.

 

[Aimster]

To be fair.. I dont think Hamas has a problem obtaining bottles to make weapons

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: Aimster
To be fair.. I dont think Hamas has a problem obtaining bottles to make weapons

thats the stupidest statement I ever heard.

thats like saying, I could of gotten a lambo for the same price as an altima, insurance and everything would cost the same too, but decided not to.

 

[Jhhnn]

That's some of the most cynical raving I've seen in a while, that's for sure. Palestinians use trash to fashion grenades, so Israel should deny them anything that could become trash...

Maybe they should just cut off the Pals' air supply, then the Israelis would be safe for sure, right?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
That's some of the most cynical raving I've seen in a while, that's for sure. Palestinians use trash to fashion grenades, so Israel should deny them anything that could become trash...

Maybe they should just cut off the Pals' air supply, then the Israelis would be safe for sure, right?

There is nothing more cynical than seeing no evil from your "noble savages" while in pursuit of virtues like tying to transcend xenophobia and self/western criticism to an excessive, irrational, almost pathological degree.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
That's some of the most cynical raving I've seen in a while, that's for sure. Palestinians use trash to fashion grenades, so Israel should deny them anything that could become trash...

Maybe they should just cut off the Pals' air supply, then the Israelis would be safe for sure, right?

There is nothing more cynical than seeing no evil from your "noble savages" while in pursuit of virtues like tying to transcend xenophobia and self/western criticism to an excessive, irrational, almost pathological degree.

You shred it!

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
That's some of the most cynical raving I've seen in a while, that's for sure. Palestinians use trash to fashion grenades, so Israel should deny them anything that could become trash...

Maybe they should just cut off the Pals' air supply, then the Israelis would be safe for sure, right?

There is nothing more cynical than seeing no evil from your "noble savages" while in pursuit of virtues like tying to transcend xenophobia and self/western criticism to an excessive, irrational, almost pathological degree.

I haven't ascribed any nobility to the Pals, at all, but I certainly deny it to the Israelis.

What the article shows is that the Pals will use anything at their disposal, even trash, to further their ends, and the conclusion of the OP is that Israelis should use that fact to cynically deny Pals, well, everything and anything that could possibly be fashioned into a weapon. That's absurd, and basically beneath contempt.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
That's some of the most cynical raving I've seen in a while, that's for sure. Palestinians use trash to fashion grenades, so Israel should deny them anything that could become trash...

Maybe they should just cut off the Pals' air supply, then the Israelis would be safe for sure, right?

There is nothing more cynical than seeing no evil from your "noble savages" while in pursuit of virtues like tying to transcend xenophobia and self/western criticism to an excessive, irrational, almost pathological degree.

I haven't ascribed any nobility to the Pals, at all, but I certainly deny it to the Israelis.

What the article shows is that the Pals will use anything at their disposal, even trash, to further their ends, and the conclusion of the OP is that Israelis should use that fact to cynically deny Pals, well, everything and anything that could possibly be fashioned into a weapon. That's absurd, and basically beneath contempt.

I would have to say your diatribe is absurd, and basically beneath contempt!!

 

[imported_Imp]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

In one instance, a Merkava tank from Brigade 401 rolled over a large explosive device that lifted the tank in the air but did not cause any serious damage, due to a plate of reinforced steel that was installed on the tank before the operation.

That's one big explosive. :shocked:

That's a damn fine tank!

IIRC, they have lost a few Merkavas because people started to make humungous bombs in the road the last few years (incursions). That's probably why they added the reinforced plate this time around. So while it's a fine tank, it sounds like they still had to use a jerry-rigged solution.