Hamas Targeted Israeli Nuclear Facility With Rockets

[squarecut1]

That will never happen...so sorry.....by both sides let me guess you are talking about just the Palestinian people and the Israeli`s!
No Hamas, No Fatah and NO ABBAS........etc......

My personal feeling is......
I would say that until the Palestinian people are free from Hamas and other influences that are anti - Israel that once they are free from those influences, I believe that Israel and the Palestinian people could very quickly come to a 2 state agreement!!

The two state solution is long dead. Everybody knows it. And that is a big dilemma for Israel, long term. As they say, be careful what you wish for

 

[Caravaggio]

I note that you claim to bleed 'Tiger blood'.
That would make you a dead or injured Tiger?

Look, you are right to be cynical about European anti-semitism. That was an abomination and it remains an issue.
But I am assuming that you know something about the history of Israel?

Here are some population figures from Palestine to modern Israel the from Mandate era of 1945, compared to 2013.
1945: Jews 528,702, 'Moslems' 994,724, Chritians 135, 547. British Mandate Figures.
Now the figure is roughly 6,000,000 Jews and about 1.8 million Arabs . Since the Declaration of Independence the Jewish population has increased twelve fold, @despite a lower fertility rate than the Muslim Arabs. That came about by mass ethnic cleansing of Arabs in 1948-9 and mass immigration of mostly Ashkenazi Jews since.
There are now 20 times more Russian Jews in Israel than there were all Jews in the same territory in 1900.
This is ethnic cleansing combined with mass immigration, pure and simple.
See the work of the following Jewish professors:
Avi Shlaim 2007 Israel and Palestine.
Shlomo Sands 2009. The invention of the Jewish People.
Ilan Pappe , 2006 the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.

 

[squarecut1]

I note that you claim to bleed 'Tiger blood'.
That would make you a dead or injured Tiger?

Look, you are right to be cynical about European anti-semitism. That was an abomination and it remains an issue.
But I am assuming that you know something about the history of Israel?

Here are some population figures from Palestine to modern Israel the from Mandate era of 1945, compared to 2013.
1945: Jews 528,702, 'Moslems' 994,724, Chritians 135, 547. British Mandate Figures.
Now the figure is roughly 6,000,000 Jews and about 1.8 million Arabs . Since the Declaration of Independence the Jewish population has increased twelve fold, @despite a lower fertility rate than the Muslim Arabs. That came about by mass ethnic cleansing of Arabs in 1948-9 and mass immigration of mostly Ashkenazi Jews since.
There are now 20 times more Russian Jews in Israel than there were all Jews in the same territory in 1900.
This is ethnic cleansing combined with mass immigration, pure and simple.
See the work of the following Jewish professors:
Avi Shlaim 2007 Israel and Palestine.
Shlomo Sands 2009. The invention of the Jewish People.
Ilan Pappe , 2006 the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.

And this will go on until the Palestinians become just another foot note in history, like the native Indians. That is what the plan is.

Come to think of it, the children of Moses and the highly moral religion of Judaism would become this way. So very sad. But that is what power and money does to you. Corrupts you to your very core.

 

[cabri]

That will never happen...so sorry.....by both sides let me guess you are talking about just the Palestinian people and the Israeli`s!
No Hamas, No Fatah and NO ABBAS........etc......

My personal feeling is......
I would say that until the Palestinian people are free from Hamas and other influences that are anti - Israel that once they are free from those influences, I believe that Israel and the Palestinian people could very quickly come to a 2 state agreement!!

And this will go on until the Palestinians become just another foot note in history, like the native Indians. That is what the plan is.

Come to think of it, the children of Moses and the highly moral religion of Judaism would become this way. So very sad. But that is what power and money does to you. Corrupts you to your very core.

They survived together for years with no real issues. Then the results of WWII generated the determination that the Ottoman empire needed to be marked up as countries. And the actions of Germany/Russia along with England triggered the need for a country for the Jews which would be as deserving as the Arabs.

So history has shown that that area can live in relative peace if left alone by outside influences.

However what has been done can not be undone without a major disruption in world power.

 

[squarecut1]

Matter of fact, Jews were treated much better under the Muslim rule than Europe, where they were always persecuted. If I am not wrong, they had considerable positions of influence in the Ottoman empire. There is no reason why Jews and Muslims can't co exist peacefully.

 

[squarecut1]

It also has to be said that Judaism and Islam are very similar theologically. It is Christianity with its concept of trinity which is different. The food restrictions etc are very similar in Judaism and Islam too.

 

[Atreus21]

Unless I'm mistaken, Marjorie Cohn at Huffpost just made up her own facts about who started this latest episode.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marjorie-cohn/israel-palestine-collective-punishment_b_5589208.html

Israel has commenced full-scale warfare on the people of Gaza. The recent tensions began about six weeks ago when Israeli forces abducted 17 Palestinian teenage boys in the occupied West Bank. Then, on June 12, three Israeli teenagers were abducted in the southern West Bank; Israel blamed Hamas. After the three youths were found dead, a group of Israelis tortured and killed a Palestinian teenager in Jerusalem. Finally, on July 7, Israel launched a large military operation dubbed "Operation Protective Edge" in the Gaza Strip.

Can anyone back this up?

 

[cabri]

Searches show nothing. She more than likely can not read or wanted to twist the truth. One just has to look at one sided statements that she selectively chose for her article.
One of the Israeli teenagers was 17 years old.
In mid May there was a Palestinian teenager that was shot by troops.

 

[Abwx]

In mid May there was a Palestinian teenager that was shot by troops.

You mean this?..

Thursday 15 May 2014

Medical officials say Israeli troops have shot dead two Palestinian teens in a West Bank...

Searches show nothing.

Of course, it depend of who is making the search, isnt it...

Friday 20/06/2014
Israeli forces shot and killed a 14-year-old Palestinian

19 March 2014
At around 7:00 A.M. soldiers shot and killed the 14-year-old Palestinian boy
Yusef a-Shawamreh on the morning of Wednesday 19 March 2014

And many more...i told you, use google rather than spreading falsehood that only one teen was killed this year before the recent israeli onslaught...

Really, a lot of israelis are despicable people unworthy of being called human beings, they kill innocent people and claim to be victims, for sure, victims of their thirst for palestinian blood.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

Palestinians killed in gaza by the bloodthirsty zionists war criminals :

http://www.councilforthenationalint...ns-in-gaza-in-the-last-two-days/#.U72VPY1dXBe

 

[werepossum]

I note that you claim to bleed 'Tiger blood'.
That would make you a dead or injured Tiger?

Look, you are right to be cynical about European anti-semitism. That was an abomination and it remains an issue.
But I am assuming that you know something about the history of Israel?

Here are some population figures from Palestine to modern Israel the from Mandate era of 1945, compared to 2013.
1945: Jews 528,702, 'Moslems' 994,724, Chritians 135, 547. British Mandate Figures.
Now the figure is roughly 6,000,000 Jews and about 1.8 million Arabs . Since the Declaration of Independence the Jewish population has increased twelve fold, @despite a lower fertility rate than the Muslim Arabs. That came about by mass ethnic cleansing of Arabs in 1948-9 and mass immigration of mostly Ashkenazi Jews since.
There are now 20 times more Russian Jews in Israel than there were all Jews in the same territory in 1900.
This is ethnic cleansing combined with mass immigration, pure and simple.
See the work of the following Jewish professors:
Avi Shlaim 2007 Israel and Palestine.
Shlomo Sands 2009. The invention of the Jewish People.
Ilan Pappe , 2006 the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.

Rather a bizarre sort of ethnic cleansing when the "victims" double their population, no?

 

[Abwx]

Rather a bizarre sort of ethnic cleansing when the "victims" double their population, no?

You are definitly showing that you are not qualified to speak about any matter in this forum since you dont even know what ethnic cleansing means...

You should first learn the language, the english language actualy...

 

[werepossum]

You are definitly showing that you are not qualified to speak about any matter in this forum since you dont even know what ethnic cleansing means...

You should first learn the language, the english language actualy...

LMFAO!

Quoted for posterity while I try to learn the "english language actualy" <SIC>.

 

[Abwx]

LMFAO!

Quoted for posterity while I try to learn the "english language actualy" <SIC>.

Happy to have thrown you a boone...

 

[werepossum]

happy to have thrown you a boone...

lol +1

 

[Caravaggio]

It also has to be said that Judaism and Islam are very similar theologically. It is Christianity with its concept of trinity which is different. The food restrictions etc are very similar in Judaism and Islam too.

Exactly so, a great deal of the Koran is sympathetic to the Jewish sacred texts. Both groups hate to be reminded of this for reasons of modern war-politics.

Squarecut, just for the record, I agree with your posts 330 and 331 completely.
Less so, post 328 which I find unduly pessimistic.
The Palestinians have had a terrible time. Most Israelis would like to be rid of them all, just like Munich anti-Semites thought of German Jews in 1938.

But there are good Israelis too, some probably IDF funded for PR purposes, some genuine free-spirits.
Think for a moment of the Jewish contribution to the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa. Or the contribution of pro-civil rights Jews in the USA, some of whom gave their lives to the cause of justice.
Those heroes are dead, but certainly not 'footnotes in history'. I can still name them. I feel the same about The Palestinians. They are crushed and humiliated on a daily basis. But the Jews of 'Kristallnacht' are not forgotten, so why should the People of Gaza or the West Bank be merely 'footnotes in history'.

Their identity seems still to be pretty robust to me.

Of course, we will all be 'footnotes' eventually but the wider, ongoing, philosophical cause of justice and decency will always triumph in the end. It can take centuries. Remember slavery, it is no longer 'acceptable' as you have shown.

Shooting fish in a barrel might currently be a sport in some places but it sits badly with you, me, and most others, IMHO.

 

[cabri]

you mean this?..





Of course, it depend of who is making the search, isnt it...

And many more...i told you, use google rather than spreading falsehood that only one teen was killed this year before the recent israeli onslaught...

Really, a lot of israelis are despicable people unworthy of being called human beings, they kill innocent people and claim to be victims, for sure, victims of their thirst for palestinian blood.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

palestinians killed in gaza by the bloodthirsty zionists war criminals :

http://www.councilforthenationalint...ns-in-gaza-in-the-last-two-days/#.u72vpy1dxbe

4 != 17
And none were abducted.

Both facts are what the article stated.

suggest that you actually read what was written and analyze the related comments.

 

[Abwx]

4 != 17
And none were abducted.

Both facts are what the article stated.

suggest that you actually read what was written and analyze the related comments.

Can you provide us the number of killed palestinians from january first and the days that preceeded the three israelis kidnapping..?.

Do you stand by the number you posted and that is a single one on may.?.

For the time i dont know the exact number but beware , it s easy to google so be cautious before posting any other fictional number.

 

[Jaskalas]

Matter of fact, Jews were treated much better under the Muslim rule than Europe, where they were always persecuted. If I am not wrong, they had considerable positions of influence in the Ottoman empire. There is no reason why Jews and Muslims can't co exist peacefully.

Before the Jewish people took back their homeland, and Jerusalem.

Enough hatred has been stoked from the existence of a Jewish state, that the past conditions are not possible today. The world has moved on and the Ottoman empire no longer exists.

 

[squarecut1]

Exactly so, a great deal of the Koran is sympathetic to the Jewish sacred texts. Both groups hate to be reminded of this for reasons of modern war-politics.

Squarecut, just for the record, I agree with your posts 330 and 331 completely.
Less so, post 328 which I find unduly pessimistic.
The Palestinians have had a terrible time. Most Israelis would like to be rid of them all, just like Munich anti-Semites thought of German Jews in 1938.

But there are good Israelis too, some probably IDF funded for PR purposes, some genuine free-spirits.
Think for a moment of the Jewish contribution to the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa. Or the contribution of pro-civil rights Jews in the USA, some of whom gave their lives to the cause of justice.
Those heroes are dead, but certainly not 'footnotes in history'. I can still name them. I feel the same about The Palestinians. They are crushed and humiliated on a daily basis. But the Jews of 'Kristallnacht' are not forgotten, so why should the People of Gaza or the West Bank be merely 'footnotes in history'.

Their identity seems still to be pretty robust to me.

Of course, we will all be 'footnotes' eventually but the wider, ongoing, philosophical cause of justice and decency will always triumph in the end. It can take centuries. Remember slavery, it is no longer 'acceptable' as you have shown.

Shooting fish in a barrel might currently be a sport in some places but it sits badly with you, me, and most others, IMHO.

Yes, as I have said more than once, there are lots of very decent and moral Jews. Some of the strongest critics of Israeli actions are Israeli and other Jews across the world, both secular and religious. And it is not just about this issue, Jews have contributed greatly to other causes as well. Like the civil rights movement you mentioned.

As for this issue, it is hard not to be pessimistic. The two state solution is dead. The Palestinians most probably will continue to live under daily humiliation and injustice. Unlike the other side, they do not have any influence in the political system of the big powers. They do not have the money for it.

But that was a good post from you. Yes eventually we are all but footnotes in history.

 

[Harabec]

The two state solution is dead.

Don't know what you're talking about but...over the last few years most people have accepted the idea of a palestinian state.
Sure, a couple of politicians may bitch and moan otherwise on TV from time to time, but ask anywhere here and you'll hear about it as the inevitable outcome.

 

[cabri]

Can you provide us the number of killed palestinians from january first and the days that preceeded the three israelis kidnapping..?.

Do you stand by the number you posted and that is a single one on may.?.

For the time i dont know the exact number but beware , it s easy to google so be cautious before posting any other fictional number.

We are talking about the article that was posted with numbers that seem to be wrong (deliberately) and can not be verified and/or explained.

Israel has commenced full-scale warfare on the people of Gaza. The recent tensions began about six weeks ago when Israeli forces abducted 17 Palestinian teenage boys in the occupied West Bank. Then, on June 12, three Israeli teenagers were abducted in the southern West Bank; Israel blamed Hamas. After the three youths were found dead, a group of Israelis tortured and killed a Palestinian teenager in Jerusalem. Finally, on July 7, Israel launched a large military operation dubbed "Operation Protective Edge" in the Gaza Strip.

Even within your own numbers, you can not show what this lady wrote.

She specifically stated

The recent tensions began about six weeks ago when Israeli forces abducted 17 Palestinian teenage boys in the occupied West Bank.

Six weeks earlier would be the last week of April/first of May.

The Palestinian PR, Arab media, Israeli media, IDF nor any other Western media has a single reference to what this lady claims.