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Abwx

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I thought the objective was peace?

Hamas conditions were refused.

I found them on a french mainstream paper , here they are :

  • l'arrêt des bombardements israéliens,
  • la fin du blocus de Gaza en place depuis 2006,
  • l'ouverture du poste frontalier de Rafah avec l'Egypte,
  • la libération des prisonniers arrêtés de nouveau après avoir été relâchés à la suite de l'accord d'échange du soldat israélien Gilad Shalit, en 2011.
http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient...eu-entre-israel-et-le-hamas_4457264_3218.html

Use google translate, but i can already tell you that all these revendications are legitimate.
 

Ns1

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Hamas conditions were refused.

I found them on a french mainstream paper , here they are :

http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient...eu-entre-israel-et-le-hamas_4457264_3218.html

Use google translate, but i can already tell you that all these revendications are legitimate.

Generally speaking, if a large foe was busy pounding me into the ground, I would probably 1) stop attacking them and 2) sign a cease fire agreement

but then again, I'm not a terrorist organization firing rockets blindly into another country.
 
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Hamas conditions were refused.

I found them on a french mainstream paper , here they are :

http://www.lemonde.fr/proche-orient...eu-entre-israel-et-le-hamas_4457264_3218.html

Use google translate, but i can already tell you that all these revendications are legitimate.
  • the cessation of Israeli bombing,
  • end the blockade of Gaza in place since 2006,
  • the opening of the Rafah border crossing with Egypt,
  • the release of prisoners rearrested after being released as a result of the exchange agreement of the Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011.
 

Abwx

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Generally speaking, if a large foe was busy pounding me into the ground, I would probably 1) stop attacking them and 2) sign a cease fire agreement

but then again, I'm not a terrorist organization firing rockets blindly into another country.

I posted quotes from israeli leaders where they ALL say that they are deliberatly fueling the war and spoliation of palestinians lands but still you re branding thoses who defend their rights as terrorists.

They are not terrorists, they are defending their rights that are usurped continously by a bunch of land grabbers.

As for the zionists they were officialy tagged as terrorists by the UK before 1947 , like Al Capône had he managed to escape the IRS porsecutions and get "respectable"...
 

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No, you gave out-of-context and usually ancient quotes without proper background, events at the time, or actions taken (or not) afterwards.
 

Abwx

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No, you gave out-of-context and usually ancient quotes without proper background, events at the time, or actions taken (or not) afterwards.

You are blatantly lying and you know it, but what to expect from one who is obviously a die hard zionist.?

The quotes are also from netanyaou , ehud barak and sharon, are theses ancient prime minister, was 2001-2004 two centuries ago, because that was years when sharon was prime minister...

The quote from netanyou is from 1989 or so, do you think that his ideology did change considering the recent events..??.

And this is not out of context at all, they are clearly saying that they want to grab all palestinians land whatever the means and the time it takes.

Truth is that you are deliberatly burying your hand in the sand as a mean to escape discussing the hypocrisy of your rulers because reality is that you fully support what is said in theses quotes.
 
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Ns1

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I posted quotes from israeli leaders where they ALL say that they are deliberatly fueling the war and spoliation of palestinians lands but still you re branding thoses who defend their rights as terrorists.

Yes, when you blindly fire rockets into Israel and employ(ed) suicide bombers as a valid tactic, you are a terrorist organization

They are not terrorists, they are defending their rights that are usurped continously by a bunch of land grabbers.

So...you're saying they don't want peace?

:whiste:
 

Abwx

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They want their legitimate rights, recognized by the UNO, as given back to them, is that clear enough.?.

If thoses legitimate rights are refused to them then there will be no peace but it s obvious that it s not their choice.

Why are you escaping this issue and ressorting to straws.?

Because you are deliberatly deflecting from the root of this conflict as you know too well who is the agressor.
 
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Harabec

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LOL, me? Die hard Zionist? Hardly...I'm more of the Lazarus Long type, give me a quiet place in the woods far away from large societies of any kind.
I simply find your posts to be silly and 100% negative.

Lets put this on a different path:

You're an Israeli leader. What would you do right now?
 

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Great, you grab land from another people and then you feel entitled to "defend" it whatever the means..?.

"Grab"? What territory on Earth has never had it's borders changed?

Besides, Palestine has never really existed. Before Israel it was under British mandate, before that it was a part of the Ottoman Empire. After the installment of a jewish state, the Arab neighbors invaded the Jewish settlements and lost the war. The result was the state of Israel. When you lose a war, you get punished, the Arabs lost 60% of the land that was planned to be an Arab state. Their fault, their loss, their punishment.

Funny that when israel use settlers to colonize a piece of land you fail to see that they re using those people as human shield for their land theft but still you re supporting this strategy when it comes to israelis.

Except that Hamas is active in Gaza. They don't target the settlements with their rockets. And no, Israel does not use human shields.

Should the palestinians accept to see their land confiscated everyday?

"Their land"? According to who? The State of Palestine is not internationally recognized and their claimed borders are neither.

According to you they are wrong to refuse this injustice while you grant israel the "right" to confiscate these landS and kill palestinians if they do not agree, that s why you are a racist, and it is obvious since you re applying a double standard and assuming as legitimate what is expressely not allowed by international laws.

Palestine is not a nation. Never has been. Peace could have been reached a long time ago but wont be as long as Israel is not recognized by the Arabs and as long as the Palestinians launch rockets into Israel. It doesn't make me a racist, but it shows just how narrow minded and outright stupid you are, you can't even use the term racist in a proper context. Embarrassing.

Peace will never be on the Palestinians terms because their terms endanger the lives of the Israelite. Ironically the palestines would probably be much better off as a part of Israel than a sovereign nation.

Btw, using insults only show that you re of bad faith since this add nothing to your arguments, if ever there is some..

Yeah, because equating someone with a mass murderer and branding him a racist is not insulting.

God damn you sure are dumb. <- insult (you can insult me once you've replied to the rest of my post)
 

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They want their legitimate rights, recognized by the UNO, as given back to them, is that clear enough.?.

If thoses legitimate rights are refused to them then there will be no peace but it s obvious that it s not their choice.

Why are you escaping this issue and ressorting to straws.?

Because you are deliberatly deflecting from the root of this conflict as you know too well who is the agressor.

So what you're saying is...they don't want peace?
 

Abwx

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You are voluntarly ignoring history and keep on posting a worthless opinion completely decoupled from reality and historical facts.

In short you re more royalist than the king himself but then here to feed your lack of knowledge, that is, the zionists in their own words :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36530156&postcount=8

A nazi ideology, and that s what you re supporting, that s why i branded you a racist/supremacist and you indeed are since you are against palestinian rights that are recognized by the UNO itself.

And since you think that the goal of the zionists was to be content with what was proposed to them by the UNO then you are either gullible or deliberatly of bad faith. (i vote for the second possibility).


"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan;
Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai."

~ David Ben Gurion, 1948-05, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A
Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978
Is that clear enough, oh, i forgot, you support thoses war mongers ideology.
 

Abwx

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So what you're saying is...they don't want peace?

Same question will yield the same answer, so you can refer to my previous post, but still i ll add a few words :

I m also saying that israel doesnt want peace and this is exactly what all zionists prime ministers did say explicitely, to this day, i posted their sayings, can you make a few comments on said quotes.?.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36530156&postcount=8
 

Ns1

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Same question will yield the same answer, so you can refer to my previous post, but still i ll add a few words :

I m also saying that israel doesnt want peace and this is exactly what all zionists prime ministers did say explicitely, to this day, i posted their sayings, can you make a few comments on said quotes.?.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36530156&postcount=8

Regardless of past statements, THIS WEEK Israel agreed to a peace treaty and Hamas did not.

Therefore, Hamas doesn't want peace, Israel does.
 

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You are voluntarly ignoring history and keep on posting a worthless opinion completely decoupled from reality and historical facts.

Pot calling the kettle black. Did or did the Arabs not muster forces and attack Israel in the 40's and 60's? Did Israel not JUST agree to a cease-fire that was immediately rejected by Hamas (who immediately continued their barrage of rockets)?

In short you re more royalist than the king himself but then here to feed your lack of knowledge, that is, the zionists in their own words

I'm pretty sure I could find equally, if not more, repulsive quotes from Arabs regarding the Israelite. I guess by your standards that you're an Islamic extremist as well as an anti-Semite.

I don't support ethnic cleansing nor do I support the individuals promoting it. You fail to separate the individual from the nation. I don't.

A nazi ideology, and that s what you re supporting, that s why i branded you a racist/supremacist and you indeed are since you are against palestinian rights that are recognized by the UNO itself.

Do you even no what national socialism is? Because it's pretty obvious you don't, just like the word racist. Are you one of those ignorant people that uses these as blanket statements because their ability to argue their case is non-existent?

And since you think that the goal of the zionists was to be content with what was proposed to them by the UNO then you are either gullible or deliberatly of bad faith. (i vote for the second possibility).

When was it that Israel unprovoked invaded a neighboring nation? If you fight a war and lose it, there are repercussions.

Is that clear enough, oh, i forgot, you support thoses war mongers ideology.

No, I don't, that's a straw man. You're still dumb as a rock, please try again.
 

Abwx

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Pot calling the kettle black. Did or did the Arabs not muster forces and attack Israel in the 40's and 60's?

War was automatic as they knew from ben gourion that the zionist goal was to attack them anyway, are you dumb?.

Ben gourion expressely said that they would size all the land once they got a part given by the UNO.

I posted ben gourion sayings but you prefer to ignore what doesnt suit your agenda, just check his saying from 1948, i posted them above.

Besides in the 56 and 67 it was israel who attacked egypt both times, in the second case it was a preventive war , wich is illegal according to international rules , in 1956 it was a purely colonial war from Britain and France and an agression war from the israeli part as proved by the US an russiian stances at the time.

Did Israel not JUST agree to a cease-fire that was immediately rejected by Hamas (who immediately continued their barrage of rockets)?

The hamas demands for this cease fire were refused by the israelis, that s the truth , and since you are clueless here the hamas demands :

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36530239&postcount=303

Now tell me that they are exagerating, but i suppose that you are content with statements " they refused the ceasfire" stated by zionists inspired sites that always twist the facts.
Btw , this was posted in this very thread....

I'm pretty sure I could find equally, if not more, repulsive quotes from Arabs regarding the Israelite. I guess by your standards that you're an Islamic extremist as well as an anti-Semite.

I m no believer at all so you re just showing that you re completely wrong and indeed biaised, you can talk of straw now, you know much about it, the most funny is the anti semitic branding, though , a quite poor argument...and straw , again..


I don't support ethnic cleansing nor do I support the individuals promoting it. You fail to separate the individual from the nation. I don't.

You do because israel is doing colonization every day in confiscated land and that you re supporting this policy, should had Olof Palme survived the gunning he endured that he would say the same thing as me.

Do you even no what national socialism is? Because it's pretty obvious you don't, just like the word racist. Are you one of those ignorant people that uses these as blanket statements because their ability to argue their case is non-existent?

Nazism is a supremacist ideology whose trait is to refuse to recognize rights that it ask for itself, thank you, i know very well of past history and to help you understand a little more it s one of those nationalists ideologies that were born in Europe during the late 19e century and wich materialised in what is called fascism in Italy, Nazism in germany and of course Zionism in palestine, as zionism was created at this time and it is a jewish nationalism that share all "values" of fascism and nazism , being born in the same craddle.


When was it that Israel unprovoked invaded a neighboring nation? If you fight a war and lose it, there are repercussions.

Read about 1956 and 1967 wars and tell me who is the agressor., you have also several invasions of lebanon, with 30 000 deads in 1982 and war crimes perpetrated against palestinians living there....


No, I don't, that's a straw man. You're still dumb as a rock, please try again.

I know the history of europe and of your country much much better than you know about other parts of the world history, so who is dumb and illiterate..?..
 

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LOL, me? Die hard Zionist? Hardly...I'm more of the Lazarus Long type, give me a quiet place in the woods far away from large societies of any kind.
I simply find your posts to be silly and 100% negative.

Lets put this on a different path:

You're an Israeli leader. What would you do right now?

Relocate my country to Europe. Why would I want to live in an area where all civilization surrounding me within 1000 miles wants nothing more than my complete annihilation? That is the ONE thing uniting all people in the Middle East, their universal hatred of Israel.
 
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Relocate my country to Europe. Why would I want to live in an area where all civilization surrounding newithin 1000 miles wants nothing more than my complete annihilation? That is the ONE thing uniting all people in the Middle Ease, their universal hatred of Israel.
Maybe you missed the part where Israel was conquered by Islam, many of the Jews fled to Europe, and that, um, didn't really work out well for them. Even today, Germany and especially France pretty much look the other way when people advocate or even commit violence toward Jews.
 
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Relocate my country to Europe. Why would I want to live in an area where all civilization surrounding newithin 1000 miles wants nothing more than my complete annihilation? That is the ONE thing uniting all people in the Middle Ease, their universal hatred of Israel.
We should give them a 100 mile strip of land along the entire length of our Mexico border...many problems solved!
 

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Relocate my country to Europe. Why would I want to live in an area where all civilization surrounding newithin 1000 miles wants nothing more than my complete annihilation? That is the ONE thing uniting all people in the Middle Ease, their universal hatred of Israel.

They actualy hate zionism...since this one hate them from the start but a seizable part of the jews, the sephardic ones, actualy are belonging to the muslim or arab world and would be quite content to get their right restored in countries where they were part of the culture, i wont negate that Damascus or Beyrouth are not what they should be, that is , cities with a big jewish community, that is particularly visible for whom has visited the syrian capital that it has also a significant jewish heritage.
 

Abwx

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Maybe you missed the part where Israel was conquered by Islam, many of the Jews fled to Europe, and that, um, didn't really work out well for them. Even today, Germany and especially France pretty much look the other way when people advocate or even commit violence toward Jews.

Actualy a lot did convert to islam, the remaining either stayed in palestine or emigrated in the richer parts of the muslim kingdoms, mainly Spain where they were ousted by the christians kings once they regained the territory, check where they got then, the turks sultan did send his navy to bring them to Istanbul since the spanish christians did tell them to either convert to christianism, leave the country or be executed.

Beside, there was no israel at these time, this was part of the last antic iranian kingdom IIRC.

Check your history , i see that you re just repeating hearsay and urban legends.
 

werepossum

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I would agree with this but the heat...ugh! Cheap motorcycles though...hmm...
Hmmm . . . Heat . . . Rockets and suicide bombers and kidnapper/torturers . . .

Really doesn't seem that difficult a choice to me. :D

And if Israel followed the lead of the Pope and transferred the holiness of the Holy Land to the American "border region", then the Muslims could get back to the important business of trying to kill the other Muslims. ;)
 

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Originally Posted by Paul98
Until the two sides are on less uneven footing these conflicts will continue.
That will never happen...so sorry.....by both sides let me guess you are talking about just the Palestinian people and the Israeli`s!
No Hamas, No Fatah and NO ABBAS........etc......

My personal feeling is......
I would say that until the Palestinian people are free from Hamas and other influences that are anti - Israel that once they are free from those influences, I believe that Israel and the Palestinian people could very quickly come to a 2 state agreement!!