Hamas stealing humanitarian aid?

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

how much do the pali rats get?

So this kind of talk is appropriate now?

He should have been banned LONG ago.. More than once I have seen him call for the murder of ALL Palestinians.. he is nuts ** He said even the babies should be killed

What is the difference between innocent babies and innocent adults? Nobody who is innocent should be killed.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

how much do the pali rats get?

So this kind of talk is appropriate now?

He should have been banned LONG ago.. More than once I have seen him call for the murder of ALL Palestinians.. he is nuts ** He said even the babies should be killed

What is the difference between innocent babies and innocent adults? Nobody who is innocent should be killed.

Palestinians and their sympathizers, when faced with loosing a debate, often resort to the "baby" cards. Like Hamas rockets sniff out babies and fly away.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

1) The funds are granted by the US government
2) There are also funds that the US government provided to the Palestinians

Where do you get the idea of stealing?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Regardless, if only Israel hadn't kept expanding their colonization of the rest of Palestine while pulling out of Gaza to leave it in chaos, Hamas wouldn't have this opportunity to engage in such banditry.

And if Tim Mcveigh's parents never had sex, the OKC bombing would have never happened.


Wait...

If his grandparents never had sex, his parents would not have been born, and therefor couldnt make Tim.

You missed the part where they are all still having sex and turning out more bombers, while we buy them Viagra.

Or did you not realize that Israel conentues to expand their colonization of the rest of Palestine as we keep right on backing them?

Once you get past this colonization issue, you and the Palestinians may have luck advancing their plight.

Israel conquered the land. They decide what they want to do with it.
They can also accept the consequences of what they do with it.

As we have seen, when the Palestinians do not like what happens, they can inform Israel.
Israel can then choose to listen and respond to such "requests".
Now if Israel chooses to respond in kind, then let the Palestinians cry foul (again and again).

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Even your imaginary rats wouldn't be foolish enough to vote Hamas. Before deteriorating to analogies involving turds locked up in a sewage plant, mentally retarded kids in a deathrow or 8 ho's locked in an apartment with no crack - or whatever else you have in store - please consider the prosperity Palestinians had during the years of the Oslo process, before Arafat decided to wage another Intifada so to not be confronted with the option of a viable peace agreement, heavens forbid.

If you think the Camp David II "offer" was a peace agreement, you are far more foolish than the Palestinians:

http://www.gush-shalom.org/generous/generous.html

See the link for maps, here is the text:

Data in this document are based on the maps Barak showed Arafat in December 2000
and generally termed "Barak's Generous Offers".
The Israeli public, media and academics use this description unwittingly.
The "generous offer" is used as a fig leaf that conceals the intentions of those
who wish to justify this war against the Palestinians.

The West Bank and the Gaza Strip, captured in 1967,
comprise 22% of pre-1948 Palestine.
When the Palestinians signed the Oslo Agreement in 1993
they agreed to accept only these 22% and recognise
Israel within the Green Line borders.
Conceding 78% of the land was a historical Palestinian compromise.

But this compromise was not enough for Barak.
In his offer to the Palestinians, Barak wanted more:

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69 settlements are included in this area,
where 85% of the settlers live.
It is clearly visible that The blocs create impossible borders,
which severely disrupt Palestinian life in the West Bank.

But this too was not enough for Barak.
more demands were on their way-
An invention called: "temporary Israeli Control"

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The "Temporary Control" concept is unique.
It refers to sovereign Palestinian land that will remain
under Israeli military and civil control for an indefinite time.
This area too contains settlements, some of them are the most
extreme zealots. It is very unlikely that Israel will evacuate them
in, say, 50 years time.

This left the Palestinians with what some people call:
"Barak's Generous Offers"...

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This is Barak's Generous offer:

What appears to be territorial continuity is
actually split up by settlement blocs,
bypass roads and roadblocks.
The Palestinians have to relinquish land reserves essential
for their development and absorption of refugees.
They also have to accept Israeli supervision of borders
crossings together with many other restrictions.

This is no generous offer. It is a humiliating demand for surrender!
Barak's offer gives Israel control over all the border crossings of the Palestinian State.
No country in the world would accept that.
The words "territorial continuity" are deceptive -
No Israeli would agree to travel 50 miles from one town to another,
if the real distance between them is only 5 miles.

This impossible offer, Barak's imperious attitude,
the ongoing massive construction in the settlements,
Years of Israel's Delaying tactics and Sharon's provocation -
all these contributed to the inevitable explosion.
In December, no maps of the Gaza Strip were shown,
so we cannot illustrate Barak's intentions there.
At Taba, January 2001, Barak presented a much-improved map.
The Palestinians consider it a basis for negotiation.

http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/barak_eng.swf

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

how much do the pali rats get?

So this kind of talk is appropriate now?

He should have been banned LONG ago.. More than once I have seen him call for the murder of ALL Palestinians.. he is nuts ** He said even the babies should be killed

What is the difference between innocent babies and innocent adults? Nobody who is innocent should be killed.

Palestinians and their sympathizers, when faced with loosing a debate, often resort to the "baby" cards. Like Hamas rockets sniff out babies and fly away.

GOOD TRY.. His words ... not mine.. said that the babies were not innocent either..

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

1) The funds are granted by the US government
2) There are also funds that the US government provided to the Palestinians

Where do you get the idea of stealing?

So... Hamas is the Elected Govt of the Palestinians.. how are they stealing..

The lack of ability of so many in here to see two sides .. is pathetic..

People act like there is no history of destruction-oppression-murder-terrorism by Zionists against the Philistines.. or people in Gaza.. SHIT when Israel was first created the Zionists sought to terrorize even the UN peacekeepers and British Soldiers..

^^^^^^^^^^^ NO, all Israelis and all Jewish people are not Zionists... I can discern that .. unlike many of the pukes in these threads who find Israel = DOVE and Palestinian = RAT ..

I am fairly certain I will be writing Anand himself to ask if people who call for the murder of a whole race should still be posting

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

1) The funds are granted by the US government
2) There are also funds that the US government provided to the Palestinians

Where do you get the idea of stealing?

So... Hamas is the Elected Govt of the Palestinians.. how are they stealing..

The lack of ability of so many in here to see two sides .. is pathetic..

People act like there is no history of destruction-oppression-murder-terrorism by Zionists against the Philistines.. or people in Gaza.. SHIT when Israel was first created the Zionists sought to terrorize even the UN peacekeepers and British Soldiers..

^^^^^^^^^^^ NO, all Israelis and all Jewish people are not Zionists... I can discern that .. unlike many of the pukes in these threads who find Israel = DOVE and Palestinian = RAT ..

I am fairly certain I will be writing Anand himself to ask if people who call for the murder of a whole race should still be posting

You're right, there are two sides, but the Palestinians will be the losing one. Even the mainstream media is starting to realize this: story link.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

1) The funds are granted by the US government
2) There are also funds that the US government provided to the Palestinians

Where do you get the idea of stealing?

I am fairly certain I will be writing Anand himself to ask if people who call for the murder of a whole race should still be posting

Make sure you include the 3+ threads of yours that have been locked for flame baiting, trolling, and the rest of your anti-semetic rants.

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

1) The funds are granted by the US government
2) There are also funds that the US government provided to the Palestinians

Where do you get the idea of stealing?

So... Hamas is the Elected Govt of the Palestinians.. how are they stealing..

The lack of ability of so many in here to see two sides .. is pathetic..

People act like there is no history of destruction-oppression-murder-terrorism by Zionists against the Philistines.. or people in Gaza.. SHIT when Israel was first created the Zionists sought to terrorize even the UN peacekeepers and British Soldiers..

^^^^^^^^^^^ NO, all Israelis and all Jewish people are not Zionists... I can discern that .. unlike many of the pukes in these threads who find Israel = DOVE and Palestinian = RAT ..

I am fairly certain I will be writing Anand himself to ask if people who call for the murder of a whole race should still be posting

You're right, there are two sides, but the Palestinians will be the losing one. Even the mainstream media is starting to realize this: story link.

It is sad that civilians are the one that have to bare the brunt of political idiocracy.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

1) The funds are granted by the US government
2) There are also funds that the US government provided to the Palestinians

Where do you get the idea of stealing?

So... Hamas is the Elected Govt of the Palestinians.. how are they stealing..

The lack of ability of so many in here to see two sides .. is pathetic..

People act like there is no history of destruction-oppression-murder-terrorism by Zionists against the Philistines.. or people in Gaza.. SHIT when Israel was first created the Zionists sought to terrorize even the UN peacekeepers and British Soldiers..

^^^^^^^^^^^ NO, all Israelis and all Jewish people are not Zionists... I can discern that .. unlike many of the pukes in these threads who find Israel = DOVE and Palestinian = RAT ..

I am fairly certain I will be writing Anand himself to ask if people who call for the murder of a whole race should still be posting

You're right, there are two sides, but the Palestinians will be the losing one. Even the mainstream media is starting to realize this: story link.

It is sad that civilians are the one that have to bare the brunt of political idiocracy.

Wasn't it said here by some Palestinian apologists that Hamas is a "grassroots movement"? That, coupled with sweeping victory in the PA elections would make it a pretty good candidate of the people's will, IMHO.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

That, coupled with sweeping victory in the PA elections would make it a pretty good candidate of the people's will, IMHO.

Hamas didn't even win with a majority, let alone a sweeping victory. What drives you to dehumanize Palestinians with such compulsive lies?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

1) The funds are granted by the US government
2) There are also funds that the US government provided to the Palestinians

Where do you get the idea of stealing?

I am fairly certain I will be writing Anand himself to ask if people who call for the murder of a whole race should still be posting

Make sure you include the 3+ threads of yours that have been locked for flame baiting, trolling, and the rest of your anti-semetic rants.

Show .. PROVE they are anti-semitic... Prove it.. .go get them and quote them

Like I said in my reply to your race baitng bullshit.. I wouldn't care who it was .. my problem is with war and agression.. and too many ignore the extremists on one side and not the other

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dahunan
I am fairly certain I will be writing Anand himself to ask if people who call for the murder of a whole race should still be posting

Palestinian isn't a race, morAn.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Sorry, my bad. It became sweeping right after they started throwing Fatah officials off buildings.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

1) The funds are granted by the US government
2) There are also funds that the US government provided to the Palestinians

Where do you get the idea of stealing?

I am fairly certain I will be writing Anand himself to ask if people who call for the murder of a whole race should still be posting

Make sure you include the 3+ threads of yours that have been locked for flame baiting, trolling, and the rest of your anti-semetic rants.

Show .. PROVE they are anti-semitic... Prove it.. .go get them and quote them

Like I said in my reply to your race baitng bullshit.. I wouldn't care who it was .. my problem is with war and agression.. and too many ignore the extremists on one side and not the other

Right... so how can you not see the sect that wants to destroy all of Israel as the aggressors when they fire rockets and blow themselves up around civilians?

Seems your aggressor-dar needs a tune up.

 

[Zebo]

I think this is appropriate to this thread. Bottom line is they WANT them to be permanet refugees, even Abbas. Which is why I always say the only Difference between Hamas and Fatah is fast jihad vs. slow jihad.

How the U.N. Perpetuates the 'Refugee' Problem

Nowhere on earth do terrorists get so much help from the Free World.

By NATAN SHARANSKY

Israel's assault on Hamas is just the latest in a long chain of military clashes, the scripts of which are always the same. On one side, there is the Israeli army. Technologically and militarily superior, its soldiers are motivated by a powerful commitment to their country's security. On the other, there are Palestinian terrorists whose aim is to kill as many innocent Israelis as possible by unleashing missiles and suicide bombers on civilian centers. Then, when Israel retaliates, they appeal to the world with gruesome images of Palestinian suffering as part of a global campaign to prevent Israel from defending itself.


An Israeli girl examines debris after a rocket fired by Palestinian militants from Gaza hit in Sderot, southern Israel, Jan. 5.

Sooner or later, the tactics of the Palestinian terrorists work. The voices of protest in response to Palestinian suffering grow louder until international pressure stays Israel's hand.

Inevitably, some of these protests come from Israelis. Last week, before the tanks had begun rolling into Gaza, the journalist Tom Segev put it bluntly in a column he wrote in Ha'aretz. "A child in Sderot is the same as a child in Gaza," he wrote, "and anyone who harms either is evil."

Mr. Segev is correct when he says that the suffering of children on either side is intolerable -- this is why the pictures from Gaza make us shudder. But he is wrong to draw a moral equivalence between the two sides. In this, he lends a hand to the Palestinians' most shameful military tactic: pimping the suffering of their civilians as a weapon of war.

Palestinian children are dying today not because of Israeli brutality, but because their own leaders have chosen to use their children as human shields, and their pain as a battering ram against Western sensibilities.

Of course, it is easy to blame Hamas. It is they, after all, who deliberately put their weapons caches in mosques, their rocket launchers in schoolyards, and their command centers in hospitals -- all with the explicit goal of maximizing the tragedy of an Israeli response.

Yet Hamas is not the only Palestinian group at fault. In 2005, shortly after the Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, I met with the chief of staff to the chairman of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas. My question to him: Now that we have uprooted thousands of Jews and empowered Gazans to be masters of their own fate, can we hope that within a year's time there will be fewer refugees in the camps? "Absolutely not," he said. "The refugees will be relocated only in the context of the final status [agreement]. How can we move them if we do not know where they will live? Maybe they will live in Israel."

In withdrawing from Gaza, Israel made painful concessions for peace by forcibly removing Jews from their homes. And yet even the Palestinian Authority, the most moderate among Palestinian political groups, would not consider easing their own people's plight in the wake of Israel's compromise. This is because the suffering of the refugees is essential to their broader political struggle.

How does the West respond to the obvious exploitation of Palestinian refugees? Soon after my meeting with Mr. Abbas's chief of staff, I met with the ambassador of one of the West's most enlightened countries. I asked: Why are the Palestinians not willing to help their own refugees? "I can understand them," he answered. "After all, they don't want the refugee problem to be taken off the agenda."

This reflexive "understanding" for the Palestinian leaders' abuse of their own people is the heart of the problem. For decades, the international community has actively assisted in building the terrorists' unique system of control -- over where Palestinians live and in what conditions, and over what they think -- by allowing terrorists to turn the refugee camps into the center of the Palestinian war machine. Instead of working to relieve the refugees' misery, the United Nations has dedicated an entire agency, UNRWA, to perpetuating it. For the rest of the world's refugees, the U.N. works tirelessly to improve their conditions, to relocate them, and to help them rebuild their lives as quickly as possible. With the Palestinians, the U.N. does exactly the opposite, granting refugee status to the great-grandchildren of people displaced in 1948, doing nothing to dismantle the camps, and acting as facilitators for the terrorists' goal of grinding an entire civilian population under their thumb. Nowhere on earth do terrorists get so much help from the Free World.

It is not only the refugee camps that the West has helped sustain. For years, Hamas in Gaza -- like Hezbollah in Lebanon, and like the Palestinian Authority under Yasser Arafat -- has been amassing huge stockpiles of weaponry, most of it under the noses of Western observers who are meant to prevent the import of such weapons. It's as if we are telling the terrorists: Go on, build your armies, prepare for war. We understand.

The same can be said about the use of children as human shields. Where was the West when Palestinian leaders were actively transforming their children's classrooms into indoctrination centers for martyrdom?

And so, invariably, the script is played out: Hamas fires its missiles, Israel responds with military force in Gaza, children are killed, their pictures are played countless times on televisions in the West, articles are published saying both sides are evil, and Israel is pressured to stop.

Whether this war will bring about lasting change, or just provide another breather before the next battle, depends to a very large degree on the Free World. A successful Israeli campaign -- in which Hamas is eliminated as the controlling force in Gaza -- will bring an unprecedented opportunity for Western leaders to change the rules of the game when it comes to Palestinian civilians. It's time for the West to recognize the human rights of Palestinians -- not only when they are suffering in war.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Sorry, my bad. It became sweeping right after they started throwing Fatah officials off buildings.

Sure, and, that was right after Israel and the US pressured Fatah into attempting a coup on Hamas.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Right... so how can you not see the sect that wants to destroy all of Israel as the aggressors when they fire rockets and blow themselves up around civilians?

Seems your aggressor-dar needs a tune up.

Your threat meter clearly needs a tune up. Israel isn't in any danger of being destroyed, while Palestine is actively being destroyed by Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank and the conflict which has been spiraling from it for decades now.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Right... so how can you not see the sect that wants to destroy all of Israel as the aggressors when they fire rockets and blow themselves up around civilians?

Seems your aggressor-dar needs a tune up.

Your threat meter clearly needs a tune up. Israel isn't in any danger of being destroyed, while Palestine is actively being destroyed by Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank and the conflict which has been spiraling from it for decades now.

I wasn't aware that my position has ever been that Hamas was going to be able to destroy Israel... But that doesn't mean they won't try - even using terrorist tactics...

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Right... so how can you not see the sect that wants to destroy all of Israel as the aggressors when they fire rockets and blow themselves up around civilians?

Seems your aggressor-dar needs a tune up.

Your threat meter clearly needs a tune up. Israel isn't in any danger of being destroyed, while Palestine is actively being destroyed by Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank and the conflict which has been spiraling from it for decades now.

It seems to me like the West Bank is doing infinitely better than Gaza, no? is the plan handing it over to the Palestinians so Hamas could assume control there, too?

Oh yea, that would make for happy Israelis and Palestinians for sure.

 

[Screech]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Sorry, my bad. It became sweeping right after they started throwing Fatah officials off buildings.

You might even say that Hamas won such a large victory that Fatah went into freefall in Gaza! ....

....or that Fatahfell from power....

......ok, I'll stop.....

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Right... so how can you not see the sect that wants to destroy all of Israel as the aggressors when they fire rockets and blow themselves up around civilians?

Seems your aggressor-dar needs a tune up.

Your threat meter clearly needs a tune up. Israel isn't in any danger of being destroyed, while Palestine is actively being destroyed by Israel's ongoing colonization of the West Bank and the conflict which has been spiraling from it for decades now.

More BS hard to colonize what was part of the Mandate for Palestine set up for express purpose of establishing the Jewish National Home. Secondly, "Judea" and "Samaria" were used by the Jews for more than a thousand years before "Jesus" began to use those words, until the Arab Muslims came along in 1948 and began to make everyone forget those terms and call it West Bank calming to be refugees when Jews are the Ultimate refugees.. Then you have whole issue of non-stop attacks coming from those places giving Israel right to them or at the very least should be discouraged from yielding up control of any of the territories they now possess in order to prevent war in the future.

 

[shrumpage]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Does Israel really need Welfare and Food Stamps from US Citizens.. richest and most intelligent people .. yet they steal .. how much. 3.5 billion from US citiznes mouths every year.. W/E

it stems from the Camp David Accords, when Israel exchanged land for peace:

The agreement also resulted in the United States committing to several billion dollars worth of annual subsidies to the governments of both Israel and Egypt, subsidies which continue to this day, and are given as a mixture of grants and aid packages committed to purchasing U.S. materiel. From 1979 (the year of the peace agreement) to 1997, Egypt received $1.3 billion annually, which also helped modernize the Egyptian military.[4] Eastern-supplied until 1979, Egypt now received American weaponry such as the M1A1 Abrams Tank, AH-64 Apache gunship and the F-16 fighter jet. In comparison, Israel has received $3 billion annually since 1985 in grants and military aid packages.[5]

Wikipedia

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: shrumpage

it stems from the Camp David Accords, when Israel exchanged land for peace:

o'rly worked well. This just shows the limits of the West's and Israels understanding of Islam, and therefore of the Lesser Jihad against Israel, and also suicidal, the mere holding of such negotiations, leading to one more version, of so many treaties, none of which will be honored. No matter how much land they give (hamas and abbas actually admits it) Israel gone is the ultimate goal.