Hamas Spiritual Leader Killed by Israelis

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Oh please, don't be so blatantly ignorant. What are you trying to imply with the 9/11 picture?
We have done all kinds of things to piss off people in that region, our pathetic pandering to the
whims of Israel being just one of them. And so what if "the gloves come off", is Israel just going
to kill off all the Palestinians? Is that what you think should happen? Pound them into submission?
Put 'em in ghettos? Stop beating around the bush and say what you really mean"

Sounds like you totally understand what that image implies, so YOU quit feigning ignorance!

Yeah, we've pissed 'em off in so many ways, so 3,000 civilians deserved to die.

Killing Hamas animals is NOT killing off ALL Palistinians. Damn, what an ass...

causality
Kill one hamas member, along with one or more civilians in the process. Family members of civilians hate israel more, family members look at possibilities of revange, family members join hamas.

That is what Israel has been doing for the past years, its a never ending cycle in the current situation.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Ornery
They deserve what they get. Violence seems to be the only thing they understand.

Same could be said about Israel, otherwise they would have stopped settlement activity and withdrawn to the original borders years ago. They don't mind spilling blood or provoking violence either. It takes two to tango, Israel just has the advantage of having the US as its bivth.

Do you actually think that if palestinians stopped the bombings and sh1t they're pulling that israel would still use it's military force to kill? I can't say that if that situation was reversed that we'd see palestinians stopping. One reason for that, they are fvckin nuts and don't give a sh1t about life nor their lives. Atleast that the perspection I get from them.

KK

if that were to happen, do you think Israel would pull back from the terratories, dismband all settlements and give the palestinians independance?

 

[Ornery]

"Same could be said about Israel, otherwise they would have stopped settlement activity and withdrawn to the
original borders years ago. They don't mind spilling blood or provoking violence either. It takes two to tango, Israel
just has the advantage of having the US as its bivth."

Nice, how you conveniently forget about how and why they acquired that territory in the first place.

And, that certainly does provoke to the extreme. Enough to warrant civilians being slaughtered.

We certainly provoked this al right.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Same could be said about Israel, otherwise they would have stopped settlement activity and withdrawn to the
original borders years ago. They don't mind spilling blood or provoking violence either. It takes two to tango, Israel
just has the advantage of having the US as its bivth."

Nice, how you conveniently forget about how and why they acquired that territory in the first place.

And, that certainly does provoke to the extreme. Enough to warrant civilians being slaughtered.

We certainly provoked this al right.

annexing land is against international law, after that whole ww2 thing they thought it was a good idea to do something about it.

and while we are here, do you support China's stand on Tibet?

 

[Lioness]

ThePresence said, "I think the occupation will have to end before the terrorism will." This is true. The problem is Isreal and Palestinians have different views on where the borders lie in the occupied terrority.

Hamas are now threatening America. This is a big change. The man Israel just killed was interviewed on TV last year and he said that Hamas would never attack the US because a majority of their funding comes from US organizations. He felt the funding would be cut or stopped. Ironically it seems to be those US organizations who are/were funding the Palestinian cause are what has kept us from being hit on US soil. What changed their minds? Our raids on those institutions in the US? We all know Iraqi funding has stopped.

If they start hitting the US any sympathizes, or not, to the Palestinian cause will dramatically change, and rightfully so. When they become a threat to us, it makes me wonder how Mr. Bush will handle this. It's a very delicate situation.

 

[Czar]

The problem is Isreal and Palestinians have different views on where the borders lie in the occupied terrority.

of the border view Israel has is different from the official green line, then why does israel offer support for settlers living beyond the green line?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Lioness
ThePresence said, "I think the occupation will have to end before the terrorism will." This is true. The problem is Isreal and Palestinians have different views on where the borders lie in the occupied terrority.

That wasn't me, you're quoting someone else.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
We should help Isreal build gas chambers and concentration camps for the Palestinians.

Zephyr

Yes, because Israel's killing of this bastard, who's got the blood of hundreds of women and children on his hands, is exactly like Israel building gas chambers.

Israel has just as much blood, on as many hands, of an equal amount of women and children. Do you not get it yet?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Lioness
ThePresence said, "I think the occupation will have to end before the terrorism will." This is true. The problem is Isreal and Palestinians have different views on where the borders lie in the occupied terrority.

Hamas are now threatening America. This is a big change. The man Israel just killed was interviewed on TV last year and he said that Hamas would never attack the US because a majority of their funding comes from US organizations. He felt the funding would be cut or stopped. Ironically it seems to be those US organizations who are/were funding the Palestinian cause are what has kept us from being hit on US soil. What changed their minds? Our raids on those institutions in the US? We all know Iraqi funding has stopped.

If they start hitting the US any sympathizes, or not, to the Palestinian cause will dramatically change, and rightfully so. When they become a threat to us, it makes me wonder how Mr. Bush will handle this. It's a very delicate situation.

Well I see this whole thing to be playing into Israel's cards perfectly. Hamas and the various terrorist organization fighting the occupation have always been Israel's problem, only a threat to us in some indirect theoretical sense. Now with this Hamas announcement things may change. Hamas may now become a personal threat to the US and thus become our problem. This will benefit Israel in many ways- as Americans and Israels will share the same problem and America's lopsided support for Israel will have a valid excuse.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
We should help Isreal build gas chambers and concentration camps for the Palestinians.

Zephyr

Yes, because Israel's killing of this bastard, who's got the blood of hundreds of women and children on his hands, is exactly like Israel building gas chambers.

Israel has just as much blood, on as many hands, of an equal amount of women and children. Do you not get it yet?

No, I certainly do not get THAT. Israel does NOT target women and children. Israel goes after the people who are murdering Israeli civillians. THOSE people choose to hide among women and children. DO YOU NOT GET IT?

 

[cumhail]

It's been posted in this forum before; but it once again seems relevant:

http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
We should help Isreal build gas chambers and concentration camps for the Palestinians.

Zephyr

Yes, because Israel's killing of this bastard, who's got the blood of hundreds of women and children on his hands, is exactly like Israel building gas chambers.

Israel has just as much blood, on as many hands, of an equal amount of women and children. Do you not get it yet?

No, I certainly do not get THAT. Israel does NOT target women and children. Israel goes after the people who are murdering Israeli civillians. THOSE people choose to hide among women and children. DO YOU NOT GET IT?

'targetted killings' is Israel's misnomer of the year. Sure they may kill the intended target, as well as countless innocent civilians. Would you be ok with the New York City Police lobbing grenades in a crowd of people because on of them is a suspected murderer? Where do you draw the line?

Edit: one other point. Some of you are very intimate with the word 'capitulation'. Specifically the fear that withdrawing from the Palestinian territories is a 'capitulation' to the terrorists because 'that is what they want'. Well how about this spin- maybe the terrorists hide among civilians so that Israel will kill them when firing missiles at the suspected terrorist target- that should be a no-brainer, right? So isn't that 'capitulation' to the terrorists? They want Israel to kill innocent civilians to make Israel look bad, and Israel continue to launch missiles instead of changing their tactics.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Oh please, don't be so blatantly ignorant. What are you trying to imply with the 9/11 picture?
We have done all kinds of things to piss off people in that region, our pathetic pandering to the
whims of Israel being just one of them. And so what if "the gloves come off", is Israel just going
to kill off all the Palestinians? Is that what you think should happen? Pound them into submission?
Put 'em in ghettos? Stop beating around the bush and say what you really mean"

Sounds like you totally understand what that image implies, so YOU quit feigning ignorance!

Yeah, we've pissed 'em off in so many ways, so 3,000 civilians deserved to die.

Killing Hamas animals is NOT killing off ALL Palistinians. Damn, what an ass...

More than 3000 civilians have been killed in Afghanistan since 9/11. Did they deserve to die? Why no call of terrorist toward the perpetrators of those crimes?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
We should help Isreal build gas chambers and concentration camps for the Palestinians.

Zephyr

Yes, because Israel's killing of this bastard, who's got the blood of hundreds of women and children on his hands, is exactly like Israel building gas chambers.

Israel has just as much blood, on as many hands, of an equal amount of women and children. Do you not get it yet?

No, I certainly do not get THAT. Israel does NOT target women and children. Israel goes after the people who are murdering Israeli civillians. THOSE people choose to hide among women and children. DO YOU NOT GET IT?

They attack entire families to ensure the target is eliminated. Come back when you have found the key to your blinkers and then we can talk.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
We should help Isreal build gas chambers and concentration camps for the Palestinians.

Zephyr

Yes, because Israel's killing of this bastard, who's got the blood of hundreds of women and children on his hands, is exactly like Israel building gas chambers.

Israel has just as much blood, on as many hands, of an equal amount of women and children. Do you not get it yet?

No, I certainly do not get THAT. Israel does NOT target women and children. Israel goes after the people who are murdering Israeli civillians. THOSE people choose to hide among women and children. DO YOU NOT GET IT?

'targetted killings' is Israel's misnomer of the year. Sure they may kill the intended target, as well as countless innocent civilians. Would you be ok with the New York City Police lobbing grenades in a crowd of people because on of them is a suspected murderer? Where do you draw the line?

Edit: one other point. Some of you are very intimate with the word 'capitulation'. Specifically the fear that withdrawing from the Palestinian territories is a 'capitulation' to the terrorists because 'that is what they want'. Well how about this spin- maybe the terrorists hide among civilians so that Israel will kill them when firing missiles at the suspected terrorist target- that should be a no-brainer, right? So isn't that 'capitulation' to the terrorists? They want Israel to kill innocent civilians to make Israel look bad, and Israel continue to launch missiles instead of changing their tactics.

Exactly. Do you expect them to wait out in the open with "I'm here shoot me with a missile" sign around their necks? Get real.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Oh please, don't be so blatantly ignorant. What are you trying to imply with the 9/11 picture?
We have done all kinds of things to piss off people in that region, our pathetic pandering to the
whims of Israel being just one of them. And so what if "the gloves come off", is Israel just going
to kill off all the Palestinians? Is that what you think should happen? Pound them into submission?
Put 'em in ghettos? Stop beating around the bush and say what you really mean"

Sounds like you totally understand what that image implies, so YOU quit feigning ignorance!

Yeah, we've pissed 'em off in so many ways, so 3,000 civilians deserved to die.

Killing Hamas animals is NOT killing off ALL Palistinians. Damn, what an ass...

Did I ever say anyone deserves to die? If anyone did, it was you with your whole "Hamas are animals" rant. Pull your head out of your ass. Just like someone else said, when they go after Hamas, they ALMOST ALWAYS end up also killing innocent civilians. Now I don;t know about you but if someone in my family was "unortunate collateral dammage" I would not give a fvck about the primary intention and would want my revenge, especially if I have been opressed as much as the Palestinians have. Ergo terrorist groups will always have fertile ground for recruitment. Pull your horse visors off and try to look at the broad picture.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Oh please, don't be so blatantly ignorant. What are you trying to imply with the 9/11 picture?
We have done all kinds of things to piss off people in that region, our pathetic pandering to the
whims of Israel being just one of them. And so what if "the gloves come off", is Israel just going
to kill off all the Palestinians? Is that what you think should happen? Pound them into submission?
Put 'em in ghettos? Stop beating around the bush and say what you really mean"

Sounds like you totally understand what that image implies, so YOU quit feigning ignorance!

Yeah, we've pissed 'em off in so many ways, so 3,000 civilians deserved to die.

Killing Hamas animals is NOT killing off ALL Palistinians. Damn, what an ass...

Did I ever say anyone deserves to die? If anyone did, it was you with your whole "Hamas are animals" rant. Pull your head out of your ass. Just like someone else said, when they go after Hamas, they ALMOST ALWAYS end up also killing innocent civilians. Now I don;t know about you but if someone in my family was "unortunate collateral dammage" I would not give a fvck about the primary intention and would want my revenge, especially if I have been opressed as much as the Palestinians have. Ergo terrorist groups will always have fertile ground for recruitment. Pull your horse visors off and try to look at the broad picture.

read up on the news buddy, for every hammas memeber israelis take out theres about 3 civilians that go with it. Also only i read a study about the media bias towards the whole conflict. About 60 % of israeli civilian casualities get on the news, thats vversus 20% for palestinian.

food for thought

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: cumhail
It's been posted in this forum before; but it once again seems relevant:

http://www.newsgaming.com/games/index12.htm

LOL! did you created that, anyway they are a lot of Israelis in this tread I can tell. You guys have to know one thing you can't win this war, I thought about it and you just can't win. In order for you guys to win the war well you have to erase all the arabes in the region and don't forget Iran. The thing is it's the people of the middle east who hate Israel not the governments for example Hamas and all the other groups where created by normal civilians who had enough of Israel occupation. Most of the gouvernments in the region not all are willing to have peace with Israel, but the people don't. The palestinians made a promise to end the occupation they don't care if you kill this leader or that, Israel is only making the palestinians stronger by Killing there top leaders

 

[maddogchen]

Hey am I right in thinking that they only reason they shoot missiles at militants in Gaza is because Israel has no way of actually capturing them for trial? First they're too well protected for agents to try to kidnap them. Palestinian police won't touch them. And if you send in a force into Gaza to capture this leader they just killed, it would be one big bloody battle on the way in, one big battle to search for him, and one big bloody battle on the way out?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Oh please, don't be so blatantly ignorant. What are you trying to imply with the 9/11 picture?
We have done all kinds of things to piss off people in that region, our pathetic pandering to the
whims of Israel being just one of them. And so what if "the gloves come off", is Israel just going
to kill off all the Palestinians? Is that what you think should happen? Pound them into submission?
Put 'em in ghettos? Stop beating around the bush and say what you really mean"

Sounds like you totally understand what that image implies, so YOU quit feigning ignorance!

Yeah, we've pissed 'em off in so many ways, so 3,000 civilians deserved to die.

Killing Hamas animals is NOT killing off ALL Palistinians. Damn, what an ass...

Did I ever say anyone deserves to die? If anyone did, it was you with your whole "Hamas are animals" rant. Pull your head out of your ass. Just like someone else said, when they go after Hamas, they ALMOST ALWAYS end up also killing innocent civilians. Now I don;t know about you but if someone in my family was "unortunate collateral dammage" I would not give a fvck about the primary intention and would want my revenge, especially if I have been opressed as much as the Palestinians have. Ergo terrorist groups will always have fertile ground for recruitment. Pull your horse visors off and try to look at the broad picture.

read up on the news buddy, for every hammas memeber israelis take out theres about 3 civilians that go with it. Also only i read a study about the media bias towards the whole conflict. About 60 % of israeli civilian casualities get on the news, thats vversus 20% for palestinian.

food for thought

Dude, did you even read what I wrote? That is exactly what I said:

when they go after Hamas, they ALMOST ALWAYS end up also killing innocent civilians

by "they" I was referring to the Israelis

 

[DivideBYZero]

And so it begins (AGAIN) : The result

Did Israel think it would be any other way?

 

[DivideBYZero]

Israeli security sources said Prime Minister Ariel Sharon personally ordered and monitored the helicopter attack against the paralyzed cleric, whose wheelchair lay smashed in a pool of blood after three missiles exploded.

Yay. Sharon wins the criple fight

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Hey am I right in thinking that they only reason they shoot missiles at militants in Gaza is because Israel has no way of actually capturing them for trial? First they're too well protected for agents to try to kidnap them. Palestinian police won't touch them. And if you send in a force into Gaza to capture this leader they just killed, it would be one big bloody battle on the way in, one big battle to search for him, and one big bloody battle on the way out?

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was already in Israeli prison before, released in 1997.

In 1997 Yassin was released from Israeli prison as part of an arrangement with Jordan following a failed assassination attempt of Khaled Mashal conducted by the Israeli Mossad in Jordan. Yassin was released by Israel in exchange for two Mossad agents who had been arrested by Jordanian authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Yassin

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Hey am I right in thinking that they only reason they shoot missiles at militants in Gaza is because Israel has no way of actually capturing them for trial? First they're too well protected for agents to try to kidnap them. Palestinian police won't touch them. And if you send in a force into Gaza to capture this leader they just killed, it would be one big bloody battle on the way in, one big battle to search for him, and one big bloody battle on the way out?

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was already in Israeli prison before, released in 1997.

In 1997 Yassin was released from Israeli prison as part of an arrangement with Jordan following a failed assassination attempt of Khaled Mashal conducted by the Israeli Mossad in Jordan. Yassin was released by Israel in exchange for two Mossad agents who had been arrested by Jordanian authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Yassin

oh ok, i was wrong then. Why don't they just put him in prison again then?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Hey am I right in thinking that they only reason they shoot missiles at militants in Gaza is because Israel has no way of actually capturing them for trial? First they're too well protected for agents to try to kidnap them. Palestinian police won't touch them. And if you send in a force into Gaza to capture this leader they just killed, it would be one big bloody battle on the way in, one big battle to search for him, and one big bloody battle on the way out?

Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was already in Israeli prison before, released in 1997.

In 1997 Yassin was released from Israeli prison as part of an arrangement with Jordan following a failed assassination attempt of Khaled Mashal conducted by the Israeli Mossad in Jordan. Yassin was released by Israel in exchange for two Mossad agents who had been arrested by Jordanian authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Yassin

oh ok, i was wrong then. Why don't they just put him in prison again then?

Well the situation is worse now and it would be harder for them to capture him again, but I would not doubt Israel's capability to capture him for a brief second.

Personally I think they would only settle for assassination as part of a symbolic statement, or a response to Yassin's repeated taunts to Israel recently. Many argue Yassin's role in the Hamas has phased out of signifigance to where he's only a figurehead, which is why I think they didn't kill him because he may be a threat but rather as a symbolic "F you" to the organization and organizations associated with it. But whatever the motive really was, this action will only perpetuate violence.