Hamas and Fatah agree to reunite.

[Abwx]

AIPAC is not in any way affiliated with Israels government.

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LOLZ at will...
You re making fool of yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee

 

[Freshgeardude]

LOLZ at will...
You re making fool of yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee

Ok, so two people who worked at AIPAC passed info on to israel.

does that mean they were working for israel? its possible.

but does that mean AIPAC works for israel? not at all.

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC, pronounced /ˈeɪpæk/ AY-pak) is a lobbying group that advocates pro-Israel policies to the Congress and Executive Branch of the United States.


AIPAC's stated purpose is to lobby the Congress of the United States on issues and legislation related to Israel.

so tell me, where can you find proof that AIPAC is an agent of Israel, acting directly through Israel's word?

 

[Lemon law]

Ok, so two people who worked at AIPAC passed info on to israel.

does that mean they were working for israel? its possible.

but does that mean AIPAC works for israel? not at all.




so tell me, where can you find proof that AIPAC is an agent of Israel, acting directly through Israel's word?

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Maybe exactly the point and by design, AIPAC does not distribute a single dime of lobbying money inside the USA. So the conventional wisdom of follow the money and find the hidden hand does not apply to AIPAC, making it impossible for FGD to prove abwx is wrong either. But still AIPAC acts to control actual US pacs that must then account for their distribution of US lobbying monies.

But still I still say, Kudos to Israel for their strong lobbying efforts in the USA, its part and parcel of the democratic process. And still at the end of the day, its the responsibility of US citizens to see through the PR hype, and determine if we are being unduly influenced, by any PR efforts, be it foreign or domestic.

But still we can flash back to the mid-1930"s when German American bunds were almost as successful, but when Dec 7, 1941 happened, one could barely find a single American who still bought German Bund Bullshit. And that too should be a lesson to Israelis, a warning that Israel cannot ever rely on just past American favorable propaganda. And if Israeli words no longer match Israeli deeds, there is still an American sympathy for the underdog.

And that has become part and parcel of the Bozo Netanyuhu gamble, because if the US does not always save Israeli bacon inside of the UN with its security council veto, well there goes the entire Netanyuhu gamble.

 

[Freshgeardude]

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Maybe exactly the point and by design, AIPAC does not distribute a single dime of lobbying money inside the USA. So the conventional wisdom of follow the money and find the hidden hand does not apply to AIPAC, making it impossible for FGD to prove abwx is wrong either. But still AIPAC acts to control actual US pacs that must then account for their distribution of US lobbying monies.


How can I not prove him wrong? he has no evidence to support his ridiculous claim. I on the other hand have proof AIPAC does not represent israel.

its clear through their message and actions, they are not part of israel, mearly support her for whatever she does.

I also know, because I am involved in the AIPAC youth program and ihave lobbied congress myself on behalf of AIPAC for Israel.

But still I still say, Kudos to Israel for their strong lobbying efforts in the USA, its part and parcel of the democratic process. And still at the end of the day, its the responsibility of US citizens to see through the PR hype, and determine if we are being unduly influenced, by any PR efforts, be it foreign or domestic.

Lol still delusional. Kudos to AIPAC for supporting israel.

But still we can flash back to the mid-1930"s when German American bunds were almost as successful, but when Dec 7, 1941 happened, one could barely find a single American who still bought German Bund Bullshit. And that too should be a lesson to Israelis, a warning that Israel cannot ever rely on just past American favorable propaganda. And if Israeli words no longer match Israeli deeds, there is still an American sympathy for the underdog.

Yep, Israel is planning a massive attack to take out the US's Pacific fleet. Just wait.

And that has become part and parcel of the Bozo Netanyuhu gamble, because if the US does not always save Israeli bacon inside of the UN with its security council veto, well there goes the entire Netanyuhu gamble.

AIPAC is smart by design. that is why it is so influential and still exists.


if AIPAC was a representative of israel, the lobbying group would have died long ago, or at least very small in comparison.


it exists, and does so strongly because it is not a representative of israel.

 

[Lemon law]

Pardon me FGD, we need look no further than your first statement, of "How can I not prove him wrong? he has no evidence to support his ridiculous claim. I on the other hand have proof AIPAC does not represent israel."

You have no such proof either, you may think you have but your case is totally dubious as you only fool yourself.

Seriously who are you trying to fool? If AIPAC does not support Israel, who do you think it represents, may I suggest you should maybe suggest AIPAC is somehow a Panamanian Lobby or something.

 

[JEDIYoda]

http://www.aipac.org/

http://www.rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/American_Israel_Public_Affairs_Committee

Billing itself as “America’s pro-Israel lobby,” the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is widely considered one of the most influential lobbyist groups in the United States. AIPAC claims to have more than 100,000 members and its website prominently displays a New York Times blurb about the group, which claims that the group is the “most important organization affecting America's relationship with Israel."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/15/aipac-lashes-out-at-obama_n_498947.html

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the pro-Israel lobbying group, released a statement over the weekend lacing into President Obama for what it calls "escalated rhetoric" on the part of the administration in response to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's push for new housing units in East Jerusalem.

"The Obama Administration's recent statements regarding the U.S. relationship with Israel are a matter of serious concern. AIPAC calls on the Administration to take immediate steps to defuse the tension with the Jewish State," according to the statement. "The Administration should make a conscious effort to move away from public demands and unilateral deadlines directed at Israel, with whom the United States shares basic, fundamental, and strategic interests."

 

[Freshgeardude]

Pardon me FGD, we need look no further than your first statement, of "How can I not prove him wrong? he has no evidence to support his ridiculous claim. I on the other hand have proof AIPAC does not represent israel."

You have no such proof either, you may think you have but your case is totally dubious as you only fool yourself.

Seriously who are you trying to fool? If AIPAC does not support Israel, who do you think it represents, may I suggest you should maybe suggest AIPAC is somehow a Panamanian Lobby or something.

Did I ever say AIPAC does not support israel?


I said that AIPAC is not part of the Israeli government.

more specfically i wrote,

AIPAC is not in any way affiliated with Israels government.

What aipac does is support israel for whatever her actions may be.

Obviously a good idea for both sides.

and I have provided evidence to it.

The killing blow though is this quote:


http://www.aipac.org/about_AIPAC/Learn_About_AIPAC/26.asp

AIPAC is registered as a domestic lobby and supported financially by private donations. The organization receives no financial assistance from Israel, from any national organization or any foreign group. AIPAC is not a political action committee. It does not rate, endorse or contribute to candidates. Because it is a lobby, contributions to AIPAC are not tax deductible.

If you want to get involved in an arguement, start from the beginning, or else you'll repeat your idiocy you just pulled just now


you took what I said and blew it way out of context. congrats!

 

[wwswimming]

a good book for those of you who actually read history books -

The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (Hardcover)
by Walt Mersheimer
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U.../dp/0374177724