Hamas and Fatah agree to reunite.

[TastesLikeChicken]

You just prove that you re almost illiterate...
I exactly stated the contrary in a previous post
of what you are putting in my mouth....

It helps to keep statements together and in context. The part you ommitted:

"Are you pulling that figure out of your ass like Ponce pulled his claim of the percentage of Jews in the US population straight out of his?"

Clearly English is not your primary language though, as your painfully stilted responses indicate, so I'll cut you some slack in that respect.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

LOLZ, that s just wishfull thoughts, but alas, facts are stubborned..
That is palestine well before the zionist took over...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKYJ2WD79RE

I made no comment about that. My response was to Ponce and all the ridiculous percentages he spews with absolutely no backup. So why are you even quoting me in this case? Get a clue, fool.

 

[Lemon law]

But you persist in making wild ass guesses and providing infactual evidence to support your failed predictions.

You have yet to be proven right - to say that you will be proven correct in the future is fine but you can not nail it down. Anyone can throw enough darts at a dart board when drunk and hit the center. That does not mean they are a good dart player. This is what you have become here.

You can not properly predict the world actions; you can not predict what/why the Palestinians do what they have done, not what Israel will do.

What you do is make a predictions and find excuses on why such did not happen after the fact. That indicates that your crystal ball is made out of lead.

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While you Common Courtesy take the position I should not make wild guesses, you are one of the poster boys for Israeli fan clubber guesses. And on top of it all, you Common Courtesy refuse to wake up and smell to coffee, because the Israeli position international standing has been crumbling in the last decade, but this last year has been a total disaster for Israel.

In terms of my predictions, at least one has come to pass, as Egypt has opened up its border at one crossing, to complete passage of goods, uninspected by Israeli officials. In terms of Common Courtesy predictions it does not take much to say the past Israeli occupations conditions will not change, but let us again ask the question come 9/2011.

When its probable we will have a Palestinians State. Which has always been the main bone of contention, with me saying the Israeli occupation of disputed territories is not long term tenable, and you Common Courtesy saying the Israeli occupation will last forever.

And I say this to you again Common Courtesy, as I am increasingly confident almost all my my predictions will soon come to pass. Or to put it to you another way, the betting odds
for Israel retaining occupied territory have taken a giant hit as almost all world events move toward a Palestinian State.

 

[Ponce]

I like the way that Chicken likes to attack what he thinks is a weak point, I am talking about my take that the % of Zionist in the US is more like 14-18%.....I don't blame him for thinking so because that's the way that I feel about the so called SIX MILLIONS dead Zionists.........even in the "death camps" themselves the number has come down from 4.6 to 2.4.....and yet they keep on using the magic number of six millions.

 

[EagleKeeper]

As previously stated, there will be a Palestinian state.

Whether there will be such a state 3 years afterwards if Hamas keeps their influence; do not count on it.

And until Hamas changes their tone; your quartet has stated that they will not bless such a state.

Given that statement; who is at fault? Israel by existing or Hamas by doing everything in it's power to sabotage a Palestinian state?

 

[Freshgeardude]

I do have many links......here is one of them about the so called "Gas Chamber'.

A Report on the Alleged Execution Gas Chambers at Auschwitz, Birkenau and Majdanek, Poland by an Execution Equipment Expert

http://www.ihr.org/books/leuchter/leuchter.toc.html

wait... is some guy with only 19 posts really going to come into a thread about the Palestinian government and spread bullshit about the Holocaust?


ehh wait, you dont think there was ever a holocaust do you.

all those 6 million jews didnt die, they just resettled.

right?



Troll.

 

[Freshgeardude]

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While you Common Courtesy take the position I should not make wild guesses, you are one of the poster boys for Israeli fan clubber guesses. And on top of it all, you Common Courtesy refuse to wake up and smell to coffee, because the Israeli position international standing has been crumbling in the last decade, but this last year has been a total disaster for Israel.

In terms of my predictions, at least one has come to pass, as Egypt has opened up its border at one crossing, to complete passage of goods, uninspected by Israeli officials. In terms of Common Courtesy predictions it does not take much to say the past Israeli occupations conditions will not change, but let us again ask the question come 9/2011.

your prediction was bullshit. You predicted it would be opened by egypt under the mubarak regime. No one here would have predicted last year that the entire country was going to collapse with mubarak leaving. it only opened after he left and not before.

like CC said, you are just throwing darts at a dart board.

When its probable we will have a Palestinians State. Which has always been the main bone of contention, with me saying the Israeli occupation of disputed territories is not long term tenable, and you Common Courtesy saying the Israeli occupation will last forever.

yea, clearly israel is going to bend over backwards if the palestinians ever do declare a state. they will just hand over the land.

I see an annexation coming in the future if the palestinians dont start negotiations again with israel.

And I say this to you again Common Courtesy, as I am increasingly confident almost all my my predictions will soon come to pass. Or to put it to you another way, the betting odds
for Israel retaining occupied territory have taken a giant hit as almost all world events move toward a Palestinian State.

your predictions are bullshit. you know very well you cant predict shit. When one of the hundreds of BS predictions come true (after an entire country's regime collapses) you jump the gun claiming "i knew it was going to happen just as I predicted"

:hmm:

 

[Abwx]

wait... is some guy with only 19 posts really going to come into a thread about the Palestinian government and spread bullshit about the Holocaust?


ehh wait, you dont think there was ever a holocaust do you.

all those 6 million jews didnt die, they just resettled.

.

Is the number of published post at AT a reference
to check one s credibility or lack of ?....
Very curious metric, indeed...

As for the six million number, well, it s quite amazing
that the Auschwitz intrance plate has been changed
many times with the number being reduced from four
to one million, yet, the six million figure didn t change..

Just google a little..

 

[JEDIYoda]

Is the number of published post at AT a reference
to check one s credibility or lack of ?....
Very curious metric, indeed...

As for the six million number, well, it s quite amazing
that the Auschwitz intrance plate has been changed
many times with the number being reduced from four
to one million, yet, the six million figure didn t change..

Just google a little..

Actually you know very little about Oswiecin....which is Polish for the German name Auscchwitz! Of course the numbers have changed what importance is that? nada....
The main figure of 6,000,000 million Jews has not changed....

yet as with anything figures can be debated and questioned and changed to suit ones need...
No the number has not changed that many times....whats your wharped point?
The bottom line is simple -- A hell of a lot of Jews were rounded up and killed.

That cannot be debated unless your a freaking idiot!!

 

[Abwx]

Actually you know very little about Oswiecin....which is Polish for the German name Auscchwitz! Of course the numbers have changed what importance is that? nada....
The main figure of 6,000,000 million Jews has not changed....

yet as with anything figures can be debated and questioned and changed to suit ones need...
No the number has not changed that many times....whats your wharped point?
The bottom line is simple -- A hell of a lot of Jews were rounded up and killed.

That cannot be debated unless your a freaking idiot!!

Lol, you have mispelled the german name....
Talk about knowing nothing...

As i already told you, facts are stubborned..

There were 500 000 jews in Germany in 1930 ,
and about as much in Poland.

Europe as a whole did have 6 milions jews in 1930.....

 

[Ponce]

I already know what the Zionists on this board are going to say......nothing new... but
the people to whom I am really writing to are the "goys" ,who for one reason or other, keep on defending the Zionist political party...... if anyone want's some links I will be more than happy to post them............the only thing to which I don't have a link are my "magic" numbers of 14-18% of "Jews" in America.

"When the truth comes into the light, the lies will hide in the dark"... Ponce

 

[Lemon law]

And now Common Courtesy clings to another delusion as he states, "And until Hamas changes their tone; your quartet has stated that they will not bless such a state.

Given that statement; who is at fault? Israel by existing or Hamas by doing everything in it's power to sabotage a Palestinian state? "

To start out its a false statement and only Merkel of Germany buys it. But for the time, Hamas will suspend anti-Israel violence and let Abbas and Fatah speak for Hamas.

Where does this Israeli delusion come from that it can refuse to speak to its adversaries. The bottom line is if we get a Palestinian state, Hamas will have to recognize Israel and Israel will have to recognize the rights of all the combined Palestinian people.

But if on the other hand, we don't get a Palestinian State by around 9/2011, why should a democratically elected Hamas recognize Israel? Nor will that be the least part of Israeli worries, as its more likely that most of the international community will question the legitimacy of Israel itself.

Wake up Common Courtesy and learn the lessons of history, any peace process is all about converting former enemies into friends. Even the USA did it with Germany and Japan, and any long term chance of an Israeli future is contingent on Israel doing the same.

 

[Abwx]

....the only thing to which I don't have a link are my "magic" numbers of 14-18% of "Jews" in America.

"When the truth comes into the light, the lies will hide in the dark"... Ponce

This number is not right...
As i already pointed it, your perception is due
to the fact that they old mainly visible positions
in the society.

I think that there is none that work as blue collar
in the Detroit automotive industry, for exemple...

 

[EagleKeeper]

And now Common Courtesy clings to another delusion as he states, "And until Hamas changes their tone; your quartet has stated that they will not bless such a state.

Given that statement; who is at fault? Israel by existing or Hamas by doing everything in it's power to sabotage a Palestinian state? "

To start out its a false statement and only Merkel of Germany buys it. But for the time, Hamas will suspend anti-Israel violence and let Abbas and Fatah speak for Hamas.

Where does this Israeli delusion come from that it can refuse to speak to its adversaries. The bottom line is if we get a Palestinian state, Hamas will have to recognize Israel and Israel will have to recognize the rights of all the combined Palestinian people.

But if on the other hand, we don't get a Palestinian State by around 9/2011, why should a democratically elected Hamas recognize Israel? Nor will that be the least part of Israeli worries, as its more likely that most of the international community will question the legitimacy of Israel itself.

Wake up Common Courtesy and learn the lessons of history, any peace process is all about converting former enemies into friends. Even the USA did it with Germany and Japan, and any long term chance of an Israeli future is contingent on Israel doing the same.

Where is the false statement?

1) Hamas has aptly demonstrated that it twists words in terms of responsibility w/ respect to violence coming out of Gaza. Hamas did not say that violence will not be terminated. It stated that Hamas will not do anything violent. This is the same wording that they used in the last truce. Allow others and disclaim responsibility.

2) Why should Israel have to speak to anyone. It is the choice of a state whom they wish to talk to and how they wish to communicate. No one can force Israel to talk to the Palestinians, Fatah or Hamas or if they choose, Hezbollah or even the US. The US does not have relations with certain countries; with others, they only talk when third parties are present or use an intermediary

3) When the "wedding" was announced, it was stated that Fatah would speak. Before the ink was dry, Hamas started singing a different tune. As long as Fatah toes the Hams line, Hamas will be quiet. If Fatah starts to deviate; Hamas will speak up as before.

Hamas is the key - if they actually renounce and prevent violence (as they have the ability to do so); then your 9/2011 Palestinian state may happen. They world is watching and should not accept ANY excuses.

Germany and Japan were totally destroyed and then rebuilt into allies. Israel has yet to destroy the Palestinians. And as long as the Palestinians continue to attack (they do not have the ability to destroy) the chances of peace slide downhill. Note that when Germany was not totally destroyed, she rose and came back for another fight. This is what the Arabs used to do and the Palestinians along with Hezbollah still are doing. Israel multiple times has stopped at the UN's request form clearing house of the militants which allowed them to rearm and strike again. Each time the militants stated that they would behave - they did not. And you expect Israel to turn the other cheek and unconditionally trust them?

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Israel has offered the olive branch multiple times; Each time the Palestinians and/or the Arabs have burned it; because Israel exists.

 

[Abwx]

Israel has offered the olive branch multiple times; Each time the Palestinians and/or the Arabs have burned it; because Israel exists.

That s not true, and you should know it..
Last proposition was the Saudi plan, yet israel dismissed it..

Commoncourtesy, you have some intellectual punch but
the road to intellectual independance is a long and ardous one...

Anyway, i ll follow the debate you re pursuing with LL..

 

[Ponce]

I will only give up on the Palestinian people if they were to ever recognize the state of Israel whitout the same recognizing, at the same time, the territory of Palestine ... to do otherwise would mean a dead Palestine and the country of Israel instead of the state of Israel.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Lol, you have mispelled the german name....
Talk about knowing nothing...

As i already told you, facts are stubborned..

There were 500 000 jews in Germany in 1930 ,
and about as much in Poland.

Europe as a whole did have 6 milions jews in 1930.....

So you are using the 1930 figures. which have nothing to do with the figures from 1939........which is your way of saying you know nothing about how many Jews were in Poland at the start of ww2.....

The number of Jews in Poland on September 1, 1939 amounted to about 3,474,000 people.



Your a freaking idiot dude is that the best you can do..I mis-pelled a word???

of course we know it is Auschwitz...but you see it was no mis-pelling my fingers hit the wrong key....

Actually there are many different spellings of the word - Auschwitz..just like there are quite a few different dialects of German...

I could have nailed your ass for mis-spelling entrance.....NOT intrance....

 

[JEDIYoda]

That s not true, and you should know it..No you should know that it is very true....the Palestinians as a whole have had many chances to reach out and grab the olive branch.....yet they are their own worse enemy.....electing Hamas to represent them?? Knowing full well Hamas is considered a terrorist organization...knowing full well that Hamas wants to see the demise of the nation of Israel???
Last proposition was the Saudi plan, yet isreal dismissed it..
YES, they did dismiss it after seriously studying it....there were valid reason for Israel to dismiss it....
http://theestimate.com/public/031502.html -- excellent article..

Commoncourtesy, you have some intellectual punch but
the road to intellectual independance -- it is spelled independence is a long and ardous one...

Anyway, i ll follow the debate you re pursuing with LL..

......

 

[Lemon law]

That s not true, and you should know it..
Last proposition was the Saudi plan, yet isreal dismissed it..

Commoncourtesy, you have some intellectual punch but
the road to intellectual independance is a long and ardous one...

Anyway, i ll follow the debate you re pursuing with LL..

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To a certain extent abwx, I will deny that either Common Courtesy or I will be the deciders of any such international debate regarding a Palestinian State.

And at the end of the day, any pissing contests between me and Common Courtesy will amount to little.

As neither of us can speak for what the more important international community will end up deciding. But to some extent that is the Common Courtesy delusion, its inconceivable to him that Israel will not forever remain the only decider.

But on that very question hangs the fact the Sherlock Homes game is still afoot, and when the international community will be the final deciders, will the Pals end up being dope slapped again or will Israel be finally be forced to end its 44 year military occupation on land it can never end.

And only that question matters in the 100 days or two year near term. But in terms of Israel, the Palestinian question that will never go away until rationally settled. Settle it now or later settle in blood, on the hinge was fought the US somewhat similar civil war. And the somewhat Common Courtesy myth is that because the Pals are still powerless, they can be the deciders of their own fate no matter what they do now.

Similar bullshit worked for Southern slave holders for four score and seven, but in four score and nine, no one asked if the slaves were ready for emancipation, or if Southern Slave holders had any rights to still demand they be protected from from former slave retaliation.

 

[EagleKeeper]

When was there a slave rebellion that was coordinated against the South? the Palestinians have done coordinated attacks against Israel. The American slave in the south were much more docile than the Palestinians.

The Palestinians have had plenty of chances to choose the road toward peace; yet the stubbornly continue to choose the path toward conflict.

Is this a reflection on them or their dependency on their Arab sponsors..
Up until now; whenever the Arab states have said jump; they answer how high.

It boils down to will Hamas control themselves and their proxies and/or will Fatah have the will and ability to put Hamas in it's place it Hamas does not want to toe the line of peaceful solutions.

 

[Freshgeardude]

I will only give up on the Palestinian people if they were to ever recognize the state of Israel whitout the same recognizing, at the same time, the territory of Palestine ... to do otherwise would mean a dead Palestine and the country of Israel instead of the state of Israel.

answer this then.


what palestinian state?

what is there for israel to recognize?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I like the way that Chicken likes to attack what he thinks is a weak point, I am talking about my take that the % of Zionist in the US is more like 14-18%.....I don't blame him for thinking so because that's the way that I feel about the so called SIX MILLIONS dead Zionists.........even in the "death camps" themselves the number has come down from 4.6 to 2.4.....and yet they keep on using the magic number of six millions.

I honestly don't care what you "feel" or your "take" about those percentages. I care about facts and you fail to present any facts to back up your claims.

Besides that, your incessant diatribe against Jews...oh wait, excuse me, "Zionists"...has little to nothing to do with the actual topic of this thread. This thread is about Hamas and Fatah potentially reuniting. How about staying on topic? If you want to rant about Zionists, or whatever code word you want to use for your obvious anti-semitic biases, then start another thread on the subject.

Please note that I am not Jewish or even religious. The closest association I have ever had with a Jew is dating a non-practicing Jewish girl once for a few weeks. And contrary to popular opinion, they do swallow.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Lol, you have mispelled the german name....
Talk about knowing nothing...

As i already told you, facts are stubborned..

There were 500 000 jews in Germany in 1930 ,
and about as much in Poland.

Europe as a whole did have 6 milions jews in 1930.....

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/jewpop.html

Jews have lived in Europe for more than two thousand years. The American Jewish Yearbook placed the total Jewish population of Europe at about 9.5 million in 1933. This number represented more than 60 percent of the world's Jewish population, which was estimated at 15.3 million. Most European Jews resided in eastern Europe, with about 5 1/2 million Jews living in Poland and the Soviet Union. Before the Nazi takeover of power in 1933, Europe had a dynamic and highly developed Jewish culture. In little more than a decade, most of Europe would be conquered, occupied, or annexed by Nazi Germany and most European Jews--two out of every three--would be dead.

even by these estimates, you are CLEARLY wrong.

as proven, you speak out of your ass.

you provide no evidence to prove your position and then resort to personal attacks when you get "shown up"

 

[Abwx]

even by these estimates, you are CLEARLY wrong.

as proven, you speak out of your ass.

you provide no evidence to prove your position and then resort to personal attacks when you get "shown up"

According to your Zionist source, the number of jews
in russia and poland as a whole is 5.5 millions..
Yet, the number of jews living in russia was in fact 5 millions,
involving that 0.5 millions were living in poland..
Strange that Jedyoda number for Poland stands at
about 3.5 millions wich would have been more
than 10% of this country inhabitants..

Indeed, the jews proportion never exceeded 2%
AT BEST in european countries at the time..

Somewhat strange that Poland could had have
seven time more jewish citizen than germany
while this country had more than double people
while being well more wealthy...

What transpire from these phony statistics is that,
strangely, jews are numerous in the less develloped
parts of europe, that is, the places where there were
no avalaible or accurate statistics compared to
france or germany which had efficient administrations
at the time...

 

[JEDIYoda]

What transpire from these phony statistics is that,
strangely, jews are numerous in the less develloped
parts of europe, that is, the places where there were
no avalaible or accurate statistics compared to
france or germany which had efficient administrations
at the time...

Phony statiistics???
Your the one who has no clue what you are talking about......you provide no links to back up your being dumber than a rock....

Yet Freshgeardude provides facts backed up by links... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/jewpop.html

I also provide facts -- The number of Jews in Poland on September 1, 1939 amounted to about 3,474,000 people... wikipedia was my source.....

So now back up your idiotic opinion or just go away......Please...

As is the case with statistics they can vary...but if you will notice Freshgeardude`s source has 3,000,000 listed and my source has close to 4,000,000 listed......
You on the other hand have no source and no credibility.....
or maybe just possibly your a young kid trying to post on an adults forum and you have no clue how to add a link to your diatribe...