Hamas and Fatah agree to reunite.

[JEDIYoda]

According to your Zionist source, the number of jews
in russia and poland as a whole is 5.5 millions..
Yet, the number of jews living in russia was in fact 5 millions,
involving that 0.5 millions were living in poland..
Strange that Jedyoda number for Poland stands at
about 3.5 millions wich would have been more
than 10% of this country inhabitants..

Indeed, the jews proportion never exceeded 2%
AT BEST in european countries at the time..

Somewhat strange that Poland could had have
seven time more jewish citizen than germany
while this country had more than double people
while being well more wealthy...

What transpire from these phony statistics is that,
strangely, jews are numerous in the less develloped
parts of europe, that is, the places where there were
no avalaible or accurate statistics compared to
france or germany which had efficient administrations
at the time...

No links just BS spewing from your mouth....
In deed your dribble is hilarious and funny......gotta love it when you self OWN yourself...

 

[Abwx]

Phony statiistics???
Yet Freshgeardude provides facts backed up by links... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/jewpop.html

...

A site that is a subdivision of AIPAC is surely a very
reliable source of infos...

 

[Freshgeardude]

According to your Zionist source,

Bahahahaha so casting it to the "zionists" I see.

where on the website of " Jewish Virtual Library" shows its some ZOMG PRO ISRAEL website?

it provided numbers for europe. not israel, not anywhere else.



the number of jews
in russia and poland as a whole is 5.5 millions..
Yet, the number of jews living in russia was in fact 5 millions,
involving that 0.5 millions were living in poland..
Strange that Jedyoda number for Poland stands at
about 3.5 millions wich would have been more
than 10% of this country inhabitants..


hold on. You just said, russia and poland as a whole is 5.5 million.

my link generally supports that. 3 million in poland, which is well documented by plenty of places, and 2.5 million in Russia.

where is your link that supports the idea of .5 mil/5mil for poland/russia??




Indeed, the jews proportion never exceeded 2%
AT BEST in european countries at the time..

more false information. you nothing to support that.

Somewhat strange that Poland could had have
seven time more jewish citizen than germany
while this country had more than double people
while being well more wealthy...

if by "this" you mean poland, you are incredibly wrong. Germany was rich enough to start a second war. They invaded and took over all of Poland in 1 day because poland's military were a bunch of horsemen.

clearly germany was more rich.


What transpire from these phony statistics is that,
strangely, jews are numerous in the less develloped
parts of europe, that is, the places where there were
no avalaible or accurate statistics compared to
france or germany which had efficient administrations
at the time...


so basically, you are saying "there are no statistics to prove what I say, but I know its right because im pro"

you are dumb, you have no factual proof to support any of your arguments.

you should cut your loses and leave.

 

[Lemon law]

When was there a slave rebellion that was coordinated against the South? the Palestinians have done coordinated attacks against Israel. The American slave in the south were much more docile than the Palestinians. ( What Common Courtesy bullshit from beginning to end. Perhaps Common Courtesy never heard of the Nat Turner rebellion that horrified the South, or the Haaiti slave rebellion that was successful. But the larger point CC ignores is all the American African slave unrest did not buy Southern slave holders a singe ounce of of Northern State sympathy. Later came a mass attempts for slaves to free them selves with the help of the underground railroad. Still later came the John Brown attempt to take over Harpers Ferry, and even if the Northern States ended up hanging John Brown, its still did not buy the South any credibility. Then the Stowe penned Novel fiction of Uncle Tom's Cabin that swept the Nation and dealt a final fatal blow to any Southern Slave holder credibility. And to bring the story up to date, the entire bulk of the international community has been reading and believing the Palestinian version of Uncle Tom's Cabin. Its only the USA that has not bothered to understand the Palestinian side, but on only the US pro Israeli propaganda does any Israeli remaining hope hinge on.)

The Palestinians have had plenty of chances to choose the road toward peace; yet the stubbornly continue to choose the path toward conflict. ( What a crock of more bullshit, the Israel vision of no conflict is and remains Palestinians agreeing to their own perpetual enslavement.)

Is this a reflection on them or their dependency on their Arab sponsors..
Up until now; whenever the Arab states have said jump; they answer how high. ( Now you bring up the fact of past Arab perfidious behavior , as many Arab Leaders did nothing to help the Palestinians. But now with the new Arab spring Arab populations demand commitment and not just lip service. Something that now is not working for Israel, as former allies in Turkey and Egypt and Jordan have 180 degree changed their positions from Israeli neutral to quite hostile. As for the rest of the mid-east, if looks could kill every Israeli Jew would be dead. In short Common Courtesy asks exactly the wrong question and answers himself with contentions definitely no longer even remotely resembling true today. And like Bozo Netanyuhu only grasps at straws. )

It boils down to will Hamas control themselves and their proxies and/or will Fatah have the will and ability to put Hamas in it's place it Hamas does not want to toe the line of peaceful solutions.

( Where does that Common Courtesy bullshit come from, as I said before, the Israeli version of a peaceful solution is for all Palestinians to agree to perpetual enslavement. But as we move toward the justice of a Palestinian State, the question is and remains, if a peaceful Fatah solution does not work, why should we not expect that not only will Fatah and Hamas return to anti-Israeli violence, so will the the Arabs and the bulk of the international community. As Israel looses all of its international credibility.)

But as I said in an earlier post, its inconceivable to Common Courtesy, that no matter how rotten Israeli behavior is, that every nation on earth will continue to side with Israel.

So why piss into the wind and try to convince Common Courtesy as only later events will shock ole CC into realizing he was wrong all along. But point granted, either of us can only be vindicated by subsequent events. As I could end up as the one with egg on my face.

 

[Ponce]

Like I said before........"As long as there is a state of Israel on Arab land they will never find peace and the country will always be on a state of alert"......they should have accepted moving to Uganga in Africa or Gibralta instead of Palestine.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Like I said before........"As long as there is a state of Israel on Arab land they will never find peace and the country will always be on a state of alert"......they should have accepted moving to Uganga in Africa or Gibralta instead of Palestine.

Israel gave up being scared of such bravado long ago since they have continually routed any Arab aggression against them over the years. Maintain the fantasy though. Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Like I said before........"As long as there is a state of Israel on Arab land they will never find peace and the country will always be on a state of alert"......they should have accepted moving to Uganga in Africa or Gibralta instead of Palestine.

And as long as israel has the military edge with nukes, none of those countries are going to start a real battle with israel


Thank you nuclear deterrence

 

[Abwx]

you are dumb, you have no factual proof to support any of your arguments.

you should cut your loses and leave.

Here the first version of the 6M hoax.....
Since it didnt succeed, this propaganda was recycled
25 years later.....

 

[Freshgeardude]

Here the first version of the 6M hoax.....
Since it didnt succeed, this propaganda was recycled
25 years later.....

You posted a picture of what looks like an article from 1919. I can't read the fine print from my phone, but you provided no evidence to prove your statement other than your word.



Still haven't provided evidence to deny my factual proof.

 

[Abwx]

Still haven't provided evidence to deny my factual proof.

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2008/04/scholarship-ver.html

http://www.aipac.org/Publications/A...untry_of_Immigrants_and_Beacon_of_Freedom.pdf

 

[dabuddha]

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2008/04/scholarship-ver.html

http://www.aipac.org/Publications/A...untry_of_Immigrants_and_Beacon_of_Freedom.pdf

I'm confused, didn't you just say

A site that is a subdivision of AIPAC is surely a very
reliable source of infos...

 

[Abwx]

I'm confused, didn't you just say

It was irony..
I gave these links since the guy asked for evidence
that this site was an extension of the US zionist lobby
and thus of the israeli foreign department...

 

[Lemon law]

Like I said before........"As long as there is a state of Israel on Arab land they will never find peace and the country will always be on a state of alert"......they should have accepted moving to Uganga in Africa or Gibralta instead of Palestine.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think anyone on this forum supports the idea that Israel can just be moved elsewhere.

The goal has to remain finding a peaceful solution where Jews and Arabs can live side by side
in the mid-east.

 

[wwswimming]

for AT'ers who want to learn some history, I suggest the Eustace Mullins Archives -

http://www.archive.org/details/EustaceMullins-Mp3Archives1923-2010

Mullins was one of the most knowledgeable historians of the 20th Century. I'm not a fan of some of his hosts (like Rense), but Mullins is 24K gold.

 

[Ponce]

Lemon Law? you are right, but the only problem is that the Zionist wants the whole of Palestine and not only 99% of it......even 1% for the Palestinians is to much.

Dude? you are partially right about the nukes in the state of Israel (if they really have them) and that's why they don't want for anyone else in the Middle East to have them.......that would spoil their plans for taking over the Middle East.

 

[Lemon law]

To some extent, Ponse, you have explained why their own Zionists are Israel's worse internal enemy.

And why, in the period between 1880 and 1948 when Jews started immigrating back into Israel in large numbers, certain areas of what is now Israel prospered because the indigenous Palestinian population and in coming Jews co-operated, and hence built a better life for both, while at the same time other areas of what is now Israel turned into
anarchy and violence as Arab and Zionist terrorists clashed, making life miserable for all.

But in terms of any further Israel expansion, Israel already controls more territory than only 5.6 million Jews can hold. And in terms of Judaism not being an Evangelist religion seeking new converts, its just not realistic to conceive that Israel can grub more territory. Israel tried it in Lebanon seeing opportunity after Lebanon's civil war and it was an epic fail experiment and a lasting Israeli lesson regarding Zionist greed.

 

[wwswimming]

No links just BS spewing from your mouth....
In deed your dribble is hilarious and funny......gotta love it when you self OWN yourself...

Well, actually, it's no problem providing links.

>> Originally Posted by Abwx View Post
According to your Zionist source, the number of jews
in russia and poland as a whole is 5.5 millions..
Yet, the number of jews living in russia was in fact 5 millions,
involving that 0.5 millions were living in poland..
Strange that Jedyoda number for Poland stands at
about 3.5 millions wich would have been more
than 10% of this country inhabitants..

Indeed, the jews proportion never exceeded 2%
AT BEST in european countries at the time.. >>


So, the subject is how many Jewish people in the general population.

You can get those numbers for the time-frame 1945 to 2011 with a little motivation and google-fu.


For the time-frame up to and including World War 2, I suggest a book by Jewish historian Walter Sanning,
The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry
http://www.amazon.com/Dissolution-Ea.../dp/0939484110

Sanning is a Jewish historian who uses census numbers from around the world to establish population numbers for the Jewish people before & after World War 2. He found a maximum of 3.5 million Jewish people lived in occupied Europe at the beginning of the war (and millions of them got out while they could).

These numbers are obviously at odds with the official conspiracy theory - that Hitler killed 6 million Jewish people. They are also the reason that the sign at Auschwitz was changed during the 1990's, the same decade that the book was published. The sign was changed from "In Memory of 4 Million" to "In Memory of 1.5 Million". Of course, American schoolbooks were never revised, and the world clings to the myth of the "6 million died", and forces American schoolchildren to contemplate a Holocaust that never occurred, in terms of the number of deaths that are taught.

One other detail is the fact that Emigration of Jewish people to the United States at the beginning of World War 2 was at the rate of approx. 3000 a day - 1 million a year.

The rate of emigration of Jewish people from Europe to Israel was about 300 a day - 100,000 a year.

Some of those details are documented very thoroughly in the book, "Adolf Hitler, Founder of Israel."
http://www.amazon.com/Adolf-Hitler-F.../dp/0965752305

By Jewish Historian Hennecke Kardel. It is not a book that is complimentary of Adolf Hitler. It does talk about his early aptitude for painting, his Jewish friends, and of course his rise to power. It also does a good job of describing the enmity that existed between Western European Jewish People (who tended to be more affluent), and Ashkenazi Jews (from Russia and Eastern Europe). Like Sunni & Shia Muslims, there was a lot of hatred between the 2 groups. Many of the Western European Jews also did not want to move to the desert, and opposed the concept of Israel.

The bottom line is, Hitler did want to kick the Jewish people out of Europe, and he fully supported the concept of "sending the Jews to the Desert" - that's how Adolf Hitler put it.

It became apparent when he was in his early 20's that he was both a skilled orator and completely supported the concept of Israel.

And so it was that his early, middle, and late political support came from Jewish people who also supported the concept of Israel. At the beginning, it was a man named Trebitsch-Lincoln who handed Hitler an envelope full of cash at one of his early speeches. Later on, it was Jewish financiers in Europe and the United States.

That financial support of Hitler by the Jewish community continued until October 1942, when FDR signed the vesting order seizing the assets of the bank managed by Prescott Bush.

Another link for you -
George Bush, the Un-Authorized Biography.
See Chapter 2, about Wall Street financing Nazi Germany as late as October 1942.
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/

It's hard to refute a presidential vesting order.


But, to get back to the title of the thread - Hamas vs. Fatah - well, that itself is a complete false premise.

During World War 2, you did not often see Nazi guards cowering, complaining about the prisoners in their concentration camps, "they're hurting us ! they're fighting back ! they're not dying fast enough ! Mommy help us !"

Between Israel & the Palestinians, Israel has 99.9999% of the military force - their military is at least 1 million times stronger than that of the Palestinians. The Palestinians have no weapons except rocks and the occasional smuggled gun or rocket - Israel has a lot more than that -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces

... plus 150+ nuclear weapons, white phosphorus, etc.

I doubt that the Nazi guards complained much about the powerless Jews and gypsies in their camps. So it is very odd to hear Israel try to persuade the rest of the world that they are the "victims", when in 999,999 cases out of a million, Israel is the Victimizer.


For more info about life in the World War 2 concentration camps, I suggest Martin Gray's autobiography

For Those I Loved
by Martin Gray
http://www.amazon.com/Those-I-Loved-.../dp/0451069420

Martin Gray was a young Jewish boy in Poland when the Nazi's walled it off. He started out by bribing Nazi guards and importing tons of food, which also turned out to be a profitable business. He subsequently was sent to Auschwitz, which he survived by hiding in the latrine.


As far as Hamas & Fatah, they are names of 2 organizations that are essentially powerless - they have no weapons. The one tactic that Israel does use is to visit the injured Palestinians in the hospital and offer to make life easier for their families if they will spy for Israel. That is standard operating procedure for Israel.

"Hamas and Fatah agree to reunite" ?! Give me a break. That's like talking about 2 groups in a German concentration camp, agreeing to stop kvetching about the meager rations.

Israel wants the world to believe that they are at considerable risk, from the 2 groups that they largely control, who have no weapons. Of course, it is a lie, but that's the way Israel likes it - they want to keep justifying the continued existence of the concentration camp they run in the desert, the one with 1.5 million Palestinians, named Gaza.

 

[Abwx]

Very good post, Wwswimming..

 

[Duder1no]

Israel will somehow boycott or make sure the meeting fails like it always does because peace is not convenient to Israel's Palestinian land-stealing policy.

 

[Lemon law]

Israel will somehow boycott or make sure the meeting fails like it always does because peace is not convenient to Israel's Palestinian land-stealing policy.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The first question I have is what meeting? But if Duder1no refers to Israel accomplishing anything with withholding the tax funds they collect for the Pals, the EU just announced it was dope slapping Israel by immediately granting the PA 234 million bucks in immediate funding to make up the with held Israeli shortfall.

But its a delusion to assume the EU will be Monty Hall, as they will almost certainly demand to collect a full refund from Israel.

But meanwhile back at the EU ranch, Israel or should we just say Bozo Netanyuhu just got a huge dopeslap COD from the EU.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The first question I have is what meeting? But if Duder1no refers to Israel accomplishing anything with withholding the tax funds they collect for the Pals, the EU just announced it was dope slapping Israel by immediately granting the PA 234 million bucks in immediate funding to make up the with held Israeli shortfall.

Link to substantiate this claim please.

 

[Lemon law]

Link to substantiate this claim please.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your wish is my command.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense

Looks like my figures are a little inflated, excuse my memory. Its only 124 million and not 234, but SA or some other entity could give far more.

But still unredicated, read it and weep. Its easily researched as the first story up on Haaretz.
And why should I have to educate you, its easy to stay informed.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Your wish is my command.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense

Looks like my figures are a little inflated, excuse my memory. Its only 124 million and not 234, but SA or some other entity could give far more.

But still unredicated, read it and weep. Its easily researched as the first story up on Haaretz.
And why should I have to educate you, its easy to stay informed.

What is there to weep about? I don't disagree with the EU move and I do disagree with what Israel is doing in this case.

btw, grossly misquoting figures is not educating me. I already knew about the deal and also knew your figures were inflated. I just wanted to see how you would go about trying to marginalize your error. It was done in typical LL fashion so thanks for the brief entertainment.

 

[Freshgeardude]

It was irony..
I gave these links since the guy asked for evidence
that this site was an extension of the US zionist lobby
and thus of the israeli foreign department...

Wrong again.

AIPAC is not in any way affiliated with Israels government.

What aipac does is support israel for whatever her actions may be.

Obviously a good idea for both sides.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Well, actually, it's no problem providing links.

>> Originally Posted by Abwx View Post
According to your Zionist source, the number of jews
in russia and poland as a whole is 5.5 millions..
Yet, the number of jews living in russia was in fact 5 millions,
involving that 0.5 millions were living in poland..
Strange that Jedyoda number for Poland stands at
about 3.5 millions wich would have been more
than 10% of this country inhabitants..

Indeed, the jews proportion never exceeded 2%
AT BEST in european countries at the time.. >>


So, the subject is how many Jewish people in the general population.

You can get those numbers for the time-frame 1945 to 2011 with a little motivation and google-fu.


For the time-frame up to and including World War 2, I suggest a book by Jewish historian Walter Sanning,
The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry
http://www.amazon.com/Dissolution-Ea.../dp/0939484110

Sanning is a Jewish historian who uses census numbers from around the world to establish population numbers for the Jewish people before & after World War 2. He found a maximum of 3.5 million Jewish people lived in occupied Europe at the beginning of the war (and millions of them got out while they could).

These numbers are obviously at odds with the official conspiracy theory - that Hitler killed 6 million Jewish people. They are also the reason that the sign at Auschwitz was changed during the 1990's, the same decade that the book was published. The sign was changed from "In Memory of 4 Million" to "In Memory of 1.5 Million". Of course, American schoolbooks were never revised, and the world clings to the myth of the "6 million died", and forces American schoolchildren to contemplate a Holocaust that never occurred, in terms of the number of deaths that are taught.

One other detail is the fact that Emigration of Jewish people to the United States at the beginning of World War 2 was at the rate of approx. 3000 a day - 1 million a year.

The rate of emigration of Jewish people from Europe to Israel was about 300 a day - 100,000 a year.

Some of those details are documented very thoroughly in the book, "Adolf Hitler, Founder of Israel."
http://www.amazon.com/Adolf-Hitler-F.../dp/0965752305

By Jewish Historian Hennecke Kardel. It is not a book that is complimentary of Adolf Hitler. It does talk about his early aptitude for painting, his Jewish friends, and of course his rise to power. It also does a good job of describing the enmity that existed between Western European Jewish People (who tended to be more affluent), and Ashkenazi Jews (from Russia and Eastern Europe). Like Sunni & Shia Muslims, there was a lot of hatred between the 2 groups. Many of the Western European Jews also did not want to move to the desert, and opposed the concept of Israel.

The bottom line is, Hitler did want to kick the Jewish people out of Europe, and he fully supported the concept of "sending the Jews to the Desert" - that's how Adolf Hitler put it.

It became apparent when he was in his early 20's that he was both a skilled orator and completely supported the concept of Israel.

And so it was that his early, middle, and late political support came from Jewish people who also supported the concept of Israel. At the beginning, it was a man named Trebitsch-Lincoln who handed Hitler an envelope full of cash at one of his early speeches. Later on, it was Jewish financiers in Europe and the United States.

That financial support of Hitler by the Jewish community continued until October 1942, when FDR signed the vesting order seizing the assets of the bank managed by Prescott Bush.

Another link for you -
George Bush, the Un-Authorized Biography.
See Chapter 2, about Wall Street financing Nazi Germany as late as October 1942.
http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/

It's hard to refute a presidential vesting order.


But, to get back to the title of the thread - Hamas vs. Fatah - well, that itself is a complete false premise.

During World War 2, you did not often see Nazi guards cowering, complaining about the prisoners in their concentration camps, "they're hurting us ! they're fighting back ! they're not dying fast enough ! Mommy help us !"

Between Israel & the Palestinians, Israel has 99.9999% of the military force - their military is at least 1 million times stronger than that of the Palestinians. The Palestinians have no weapons except rocks and the occasional smuggled gun or rocket - Israel has a lot more than that -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces

... plus 150+ nuclear weapons, white phosphorus, etc.

I doubt that the Nazi guards complained much about the powerless Jews and gypsies in their camps. So it is very odd to hear Israel try to persuade the rest of the world that they are the "victims", when in 999,999 cases out of a million, Israel is the Victimizer.


For more info about life in the World War 2 concentration camps, I suggest Martin Gray's autobiography

For Those I Loved
by Martin Gray
http://www.amazon.com/Those-I-Loved-.../dp/0451069420

Martin Gray was a young Jewish boy in Poland when the Nazi's walled it off. He started out by bribing Nazi guards and importing tons of food, which also turned out to be a profitable business. He subsequently was sent to Auschwitz, which he survived by hiding in the latrine.


As far as Hamas & Fatah, they are names of 2 organizations that are essentially powerless - they have no weapons. The one tactic that Israel does use is to visit the injured Palestinians in the hospital and offer to make life easier for their families if they will spy for Israel. That is standard operating procedure for Israel.

"Hamas and Fatah agree to reunite" ?! Give me a break. That's like talking about 2 groups in a German concentration camp, agreeing to stop kvetching about the meager rations.

Israel wants the world to believe that they are at considerable risk, from the 2 groups that they largely control, who have no weapons. Of course, it is a lie, but that's the way Israel likes it - they want to keep justifying the continued existence of the concentration camp they run in the desert, the one with 1.5 million Palestinians, named Gaza.

Im on my phone, so I can't go bold in each aection, but

You claim that it is israel playing a false victim card. That the Palestinians are week in comparison.

But it is not the palestians the Israelis are worried about. It is not the palestians who initiated multiple wars (while they did support the arab offense after it started)

It is the millions living in the countries surrounding israel, the countries that from Israels creation, waged war, with its only goal to destroy her. It is these countries that have not recognized Israels sovereignty, their right to exist.


When looking at a map of just israel, the Palestinians look like the underdogs, the defenseless individuals. If you look at the arab world vs israel, you can see why israel looks like the underdog then.

Its all about perspective.