Threads like this only proves that you can never please everyone no matter how successful a product is. Face it, the general populace do not have the same taste as some of the gaming PC nerds of AT. Microsoft/Bungie did an excellent job in creating a product that have vast appeal to the general gamers. You can't argue over their success.
The same argument is brought up everytime Halo is brought up: how it doesn't measure up to a lot of PC FPS. Been there, done that. Games that are brought up: FEAR, Far Cry, Half-Life, and even the soon to be released Crysis. Lack of complexity, lack of diverse level design, lackluster graphics, and etc. The truth is none of these games will have the level of success that Halo 3 enjoys if they were all brought to the 360. To the average gamer, they are simply not as fun or simply do not appear to be as fun.
It may surprise you that a lot of thought and resources were put into the Halo franchise. More so than all the previous mentioned titles. When it comes to developing a game, more is not necessary better. More complex, more weapons, more realistic, etc. The focus is on fun and presentation. They realize that what is fun for the elite gamer is not necessarily fun for the average gamer.
Just look at the main characters of these games. Who do you think would have more of appeal? A cop, a castaway, a nerdy scientist with a crowbar, or a bad@ss super soldier with a cool futuristic armor? Speaking of character designs, Bungie did an excellent job of not going the drabby, super realistic route while at the same time not make it too cartoony. The graphics are more on the bright, friendly side. This is to appeal to both adults and kids alike.
I'm not going point by point on why the Halo franchise is superior to other shooters. One only needs to pull their head out of their @ss to see why Halo appeal more to the general populace than other FPS. Kudos to Microsoft/Bungie for their accomplishments.
The same argument is brought up everytime Halo is brought up: how it doesn't measure up to a lot of PC FPS. Been there, done that. Games that are brought up: FEAR, Far Cry, Half-Life, and even the soon to be released Crysis. Lack of complexity, lack of diverse level design, lackluster graphics, and etc. The truth is none of these games will have the level of success that Halo 3 enjoys if they were all brought to the 360. To the average gamer, they are simply not as fun or simply do not appear to be as fun.
It may surprise you that a lot of thought and resources were put into the Halo franchise. More so than all the previous mentioned titles. When it comes to developing a game, more is not necessary better. More complex, more weapons, more realistic, etc. The focus is on fun and presentation. They realize that what is fun for the elite gamer is not necessarily fun for the average gamer.
Just look at the main characters of these games. Who do you think would have more of appeal? A cop, a castaway, a nerdy scientist with a crowbar, or a bad@ss super soldier with a cool futuristic armor? Speaking of character designs, Bungie did an excellent job of not going the drabby, super realistic route while at the same time not make it too cartoony. The graphics are more on the bright, friendly side. This is to appeal to both adults and kids alike.
I'm not going point by point on why the Halo franchise is superior to other shooters. One only needs to pull their head out of their @ss to see why Halo appeal more to the general populace than other FPS. Kudos to Microsoft/Bungie for their accomplishments.
slag
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Originally posted by: Anubis
i got halo 2 and 3 solely for the single player
As did I. My points still stand. Story means nothing. Its all about how cool it is to obliterate an entire group of enemies with a flame thrower or tossing down a deployable shield and then meleeing it out with a brute, etc. Multiplayer and story has nothing to do with a raw, in your face fragfest.
If I wanted a story, I'd read any one of the halo books.
Because you couldn't
Oh and let's talk about the main character indeed. A badass super soldier with cool futuristic armor. Oops, you probably weren't around for him.
That's not to say I don't agree with you, I just don't agree with the points you used to prove your point. The point that I do agree with is that Halo has name brand recognition and lots of people who care very little about FPS games are able to recognize Halo as a safe purchase (It's not necessarily FOR the elite gamer). It's also got marketing that would make the superbowl shudder.
Originally posted by: Skacer
Because you couldn't
Oh and let's talk about the main character indeed. A badass super soldier with cool futuristic armor. Oops, you probably weren't around for him.
That's not to say I don't agree with you, I just don't agree with the points you used to prove your point. The point that I do agree with is that Halo has name brand recognition and lots of people who care very little about FPS games are able to recognize Halo as a safe purchase (It's not necessarily FOR the elite gamer). It's also got marketing that would make the superbowl shudder.
I'm too lazy to go point by point. Plus, it would end up being argument over opinions. My definition of "superior" may be different from how others perceive. Mine would be more emphasis on market appeal.
Yes, I was around for the original Doom. What's the point in bringing that up? Doom was responsible for a lot of 486 sales. Hands down, the best PC game at the time.
Sonic the Hedgehog, Crash Bandicoot, and Super Mario Brothers all had brand recognition and marketing campaigns to back them up, but if they keep churning out lackluster sequels people will lose interest. Banking on a brand name can only take you so far.
Marketing is a major factor, of course, and I wouldn't discount that, but the content has to be worthwile for it to be a success.
slag
Lifer
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Originally posted by: ricochet
Originally posted by: Skacer
Because you couldn't
Oh and let's talk about the main character indeed. A badass super soldier with cool futuristic armor. Oops, you probably weren't around for him.
That's not to say I don't agree with you, I just don't agree with the points you used to prove your point. The point that I do agree with is that Halo has name brand recognition and lots of people who care very little about FPS games are able to recognize Halo as a safe purchase (It's not necessarily FOR the elite gamer). It's also got marketing that would make the superbowl shudder.
I'm too lazy to go point by point. Plus, it would end up being argument over opinions. My definition of "superior" may be different from how others perceive. Mine would be more emphasis on market appeal.
Yes, I was around for the original Doom. What's the point in bringing that up? Doom was responsible for a lot of 486 sales. Hands down, the best PC game at the time.
Sonic the Hedgehog, Crash Bandicoot, and Super Mario Brothers all had brand recognition and marketing campaigns to back them up, but if they keep churning out lackluster sequels people will lose interest. Banking on a brand name can only take you so far.
Marketing is a major factor, of course, and I wouldn't discount that, but the content has to be worthwile for it to be a success.
WTH is crash bandicoot? Sonic was the same thing over and over. Mario at least had different levels, different characters to play, etc. The mario team mixed it up on us.
Just because something isnt blatantly obvious to you or you disagree with a valid point doesnt make the point bad or untrue it just means you have a hard time understanding other peoples viewpoints, I am sure that is something you can work on if you wanted. I pointed out that console FPS's are fun because you can sit on your couch and play with friends in the room, there is no installs, no graphics card requirements, no hard to understand keyboard functions just pickup a controller and go. Your friend can be brand new to the game and pick it up fairly easily. Anyway I have to make the assumption that you dont have any console owning friends otherwise I am sure you would begin to lead towards my side of the discussion. I dont see how my point can be denied.
HamburgerBoy
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Remind me of the part in Surface Tension when Gordon Freeman has to navigate over the same cliff side five times in a row, or the part in Gonarch's Lair where there are eight giant headcrabs to kill over and over again.
Hey Hey Hey... that 'spin off' is a damn fine beverage. Happens to be my 'limited' favorite. mmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmm deliciousesness!
bucwylde23
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I love how the PC gamers on this forum HATE IT that the xbox 360 owners are having a BLAST playing halo 3 so they are trying to trash it in any way possible. (Graphics, kb/m vs controller)
Don't you guys have some tweaking/benchmarking to do?
How many of your "better" PC FPS games have made/will make 170 million in one day? and have at least 1.5 MILLION unique users within the first 24 hours.
Face it, people love halo because it's fun. Isn't that the point of games? Fun??
Oh, and the Mt Dew Limited edition drink is great.
Don't you guys have some tweaking/benchmarking to do?
How many of your "better" PC FPS games have made/will make 170 million in one day? and have at least 1.5 MILLION unique users within the first 24 hours.
Face it, people love halo because it's fun. Isn't that the point of games? Fun??
Oh, and the Mt Dew Limited edition drink is great.
bucwylde23
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Well I didn't think about WoW, but that game is basically a drug
I"m not really trying to generalize, because I'm a PC gamer also, just not the latest and greatest games. I can't really afford to upgrade my computer often, but I"ve had a blast with UT2k4/BF2 for quite some time
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