Halo 3 - Record setting $170M on first day

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I don't get it. I thought Halo (for PC) was boring and repetitive as fvck. I've heard Halo 2 is more of the same, though I've not played it myself. What's the big deal with 3? Third time's a charm?

computer gamers can be really dense sometimes. The fun of halo is that for one it is on a console, second it has a great co-op option which most games dont have and third the deathmatch is pretty fun for most people. Its a community game, the single player is not where its at.

I hate to be the one to tell you....but online gaming was born on the PC. Ever heard of a little one called "counterstrike"? Or maybe Doom. You might have heard of Doom, it was ported to SNES, and Doom III was ported to XBox.

Just throwin' it out there.

Errr....your argument had absolutely nothing to do with with what jandrews said. He didn't claim that online gaming wasn't born on the PC. All he said was that the multi-player in Halo and Halo 2 is extremely fun, allowed co-op, and has a community.

 

[purbeast0]

lol @ people saying the reviews are bought.

that's funny considering halo 2 was the most played xbox live game even 3 years after it was released.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I'm still bitter about MS purchase of Bungie to make Halo 1 Xbox exclusive (dumbed down and feature stripped), the sloppy delayed Halo 1 PC port, the lazily made Halo 2, and the sloppy Vista only Halo 2 PC port. The Halo series has never really boasted anything especially good that make it stand out from the overcrowded FPS genre.

What the Halo franchise does have, that other shooters do not though, is Microsoft's money. The game is advertised everywhere with reviews being bought a dime a dozen.

Nobody cares about PC Ports of the game why are you even mentioning it.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Injury
If all copies sold were the basic edition, then the number sold is about 2.83 MILLION.

If they were all the Legendary Edition, there would have been 1.42 Million sold.

I think it's probably a safe bet that MOST people probably just bought the basic edition, so I would definately estimate well over 2 million copies.... which is at least 2 times what the average "BIG GAME" sells in its whole lifespan. I've heard somewhere that the AVERAGE game will sell about 100,000-250,000 in its whole shelf life. Seeing as Halo 3 sold roughly 2 Million copies in the first 24 hours, and even NES games sold for $40 at release, I'd say the price of the game doesn't skew the data enough to think that something else is even reasonably close.

I'm still curious if Halo 3 ended up outselling World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade. Based on this news article, http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5830 , WoW: TBC sold 2.4 million in its first day.

Originally posted by: Skacer
Please don't compare WoW to Halo. They both may have a large number of fans but WoW earned them fair and square against every other MMO in the industry. Halo cornered an under-appreciated part of the market and made a game that can not fairly be compared to even the genre it labels itself. Besides, Blizzard shits bigger things than Bungie.

The only MMO that was a viable competitor to WoW when it released was EverQuest and the game was already quite old. WoW also jumped in with an everyone-friendly game which no one else did.

EDIT:

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Halo 3 is hands down the best game I've ever played. As close to perfect in every way than anything else I've gotten my hands on.

I saw you posting in Console and here, and I must say, I never took you for a gamer .

 

[BoberFett]

I've never understood the Halo hype. It's not a bad game, but so many people get orgasmic over it and I don't understand why.

It wasn't the first good console shooter, Goldeneye was one of the first and best. Perfect Dark was excellent as well.

As for modern console FPS series, I've had far more fun with the entire Timesplitters series than I have with Halo. I love the tongue in cheek attitude of those games. The single player game is decent and me and my friends love them multiplayer. We all find Halo to have pretty damn dull multiplayer.

Oh well, different strokes.

 

[oznerol]

How did this thread turn into a console vs. PC battle? I mean, really...

Anyway, my 2 cents...

Halo is a great console FPS. It is a mediocre PC FPS.

However, the vast majority of people playing Halo do not play PC games.

Why is Halo a great console FPS? It doesn't have one specific thing that makes it spectacular. really, but I think it was the first console FPS to do everything right. In fact, I'd say it is the closest to a PC FPS that a console has ever gotten to.

The original game revolutionized console FPSs as a whole - try to find a modern console shooter that isn't in some way influenced by Halo's control scheme. You can't, as it set the bar and did it right. The second game revolutionized online multi-player for consoles. The lobby, the ranking system, the map design. It was all done very well - and ONLINE. Halo 2 is STILL the most played game on Xbox Live.

The multi-player alone is what earned the $170M for the franchise, especially with the new "Forge" feature and complete match replay system - things that have been done on the PC, but never done well on a console.

And on a side note - those of you citing Goldeneye as the best console FPS ever - I think nostalgia is influencing you more than you think. Play the game now, and then play a modern FPS and let me know how that goes. Especially with only 1 analog stick - it doesn't stand the test of time.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Halo 3 is hands down the best game I've ever played. As close to perfect in every way than anything else I've gotten my hands on.

I saw you posting in Console and here, and I must say, I never took you for a gamer .

Well I wouldn't say that I am much of a gamer anymore. Its been on a steady decline since sega. I will be honest Halo 2 is the only reason I bought xbox and Halo 3 is the only reason I bought xbox 360. I have other games and I enjoy them but I play the other games sparingly. Halo 2/3 are the only games that gets me "excited" to play. The new GTA coming out in april is starting to get me riled up though. I'm not sure my H3 obsession will be finished by then though.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: ducci
How did this thread turn into a console vs. PC battle? I mean, really...

It's a law of the universe. Any post about Halo immediately attracts PC fanboys/elitists and Halo-bashers. The fact that Halo is as successful as it is only makes it worse.

I'm platform agnostic but mainly game on consoles now for various reasons (cost and comfort being the primary reasons).

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: ducci
How did this thread turn into a console vs. PC battle? I mean, really...

Anyway, my 2 cents...

Halo is a great console FPS. It is a mediocre PC FPS.

However, the vast majority of people playing Halo do not play PC games.

Why is Halo a great console FPS? It doesn't have one specific thing that makes it spectacular. really, but I think it was the first console FPS to do everything right. In fact, I'd say it is the closest to a PC FPS that a console has ever gotten to.

The original game revolutionized console FPSs as a whole - try to find a modern console shooter that isn't in some way influenced by Halo's control scheme. You can't, as it set the bar and did it right. The second game revolutionized online multi-player for consoles. The lobby, the ranking system, the map design. It was all done very well - and ONLINE. Halo 2 is STILL the most played game on Xbox Live.

The multi-player alone is what earned the $170M for the franchise, especially with the new "Forge" feature and complete match replay system - things that have been done on the PC, but never done well on a console.

And on a side note - those of you citing Goldeneye as the best console FPS ever - I think nostalgia is influencing you more than you think. Play the game now, and then play a modern FPS and let me know how that goes. Especially with only 1 analog stick - it doesn't stand the test of time.

:thumbsup:

well said.

 

[Skacer]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
The only MMO that was a viable competitor to WoW when it released was EverQuest and the game was already quite old. WoW also jumped in with an everyone-friendly game which no one else did.

They still went up against everyone on a level playing field. I know people who made the jump from EQ, DAOC, FFXI, Lineage, and other smaller MMOs. I saw people leave to go to newer MMOs only to come back. Halo can barely say the same. Everyone-friendly is true, but I don't think that is a bad thing?

I'd be willing to bet that even if there was a definitively better FPS on Xbox360 than Halo 3, it still wouldn't surpass it in sales at this point. Halo is practically brand name familiarity.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I don't get it. I thought Halo (for PC) was boring and repetitive as fvck. I've heard Halo 2 is more of the same, though I've not played it myself. What's the big deal with 3? Third time's a charm?

computer gamers can be really dense sometimes. The fun of halo is that for one it is on a console, second it has a great co-op option which most games dont have and third the deathmatch is pretty fun for most people. Its a community game, the single player is not where its at.

I hate to be the one to tell you....but online gaming was born on the PC. Ever heard of a little one called "counterstrike"? Or maybe Doom. You might have heard of Doom, it was ported to SNES, and Doom III was ported to XBox.

Just throwin' it out there.

Errr....your argument had absolutely nothing to do with with what jandrews said. He didn't claim that online gaming wasn't born on the PC. All he said was that the multi-player in Halo and Halo 2 is extremely fun, allowed co-op, and has a community.

I'm not going to argue semantics with you. He said Halo is fun because its on a console and multiplayer, and that PC gamers are really dense for not knowing this. Considering multiplayer FPS games are about 100x more successful on PC and consoles, I'd say he's pretty wrong in his assertation of PC gamers benig dense on that subject.

Simply, Halo is the best console FPS series in a decade (since goldeneye), so its natural that is very succesful. However, in the PC market, crowded with good FPS games, it falls flat. Its neither a slight towards Halo or the console market, just the way it is. Both sides need to unwad their panties, and play the games they like better.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I'm still bitter about MS purchase of Bungie to make Halo 1 Xbox exclusive (dumbed down and feature stripped), the sloppy delayed Halo 1 PC port, the lazily made Halo 2, and the sloppy Vista only Halo 2 PC port. The Halo series has never really boasted anything especially good that make it stand out from the overcrowded FPS genre.

What the Halo franchise does have, that other shooters do not though, is Microsoft's money. The game is advertised everywhere with reviews being bought a dime a dozen.

Nobody cares about PC Ports of the game why are you even mentioning it.

Hey now, hold your tongue.

I, among almost every friend of mine, care about PC ports. I personally don't plan on ever owning a 360.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I don't get it. I thought Halo (for PC) was boring and repetitive as fvck. I've heard Halo 2 is more of the same, though I've not played it myself. What's the big deal with 3? Third time's a charm?

computer gamers can be really dense sometimes. The fun of halo is that for one it is on a console, second it has a great co-op option which most games dont have and third the deathmatch is pretty fun for most people. Its a community game, the single player is not where its at.

I hate to be the one to tell you....but online gaming was born on the PC. Ever heard of a little one called "counterstrike"? Or maybe Doom. You might have heard of Doom, it was ported to SNES, and Doom III was ported to XBox.

Just throwin' it out there.

Errr....your argument had absolutely nothing to do with with what jandrews said. He didn't claim that online gaming wasn't born on the PC. All he said was that the multi-player in Halo and Halo 2 is extremely fun, allowed co-op, and has a community.

I'm not going to argue semantics with you. He said Halo is fun because its on a console and multiplayer, and that PC gamers are really dense for not knowing this. Considering multiplayer FPS games are about 100x more successful on PC and consoles, I'd say he's pretty wrong in his assertation of PC gamers benig dense on that subject.

Simply, Halo is the best console FPS series in a decade (since goldeneye), so its natural that is very succesful. However, in the PC market, crowded with good FPS games, it falls flat. Its neither a slight towards Halo or the console market, just the way it is. Both sides need to unwad their panties, and play the games they like better.

more people own PCs than consoles so then why is it that there are no games boasting the same success although they are Lightyears ahead of halo 3?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: ducci
And on a side note - those of you citing Goldeneye as the best console FPS ever - I think nostalgia is influencing you more than you think. Play the game now, and then play a modern FPS and let me know how that goes. Especially with only 1 analog stick - it doesn't stand the test of time.

Well, you're simply wrong. Goldeneye was a fantastic FPS. How much fun would Duke 3D be in 2007? That doesn't mean it wasn't a great game at the time. You have to judge games in the context of their eras.

And honestly, in 10 years (that's how old Goldeneye is) do you think anybody will be playing Halo? Leave the "test of time" crap out of it.

 

[Skacer]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
more people own PCs than consoles so then why is it that there are no games boasting the same success although they are Lightyears ahead of halo 3?

More people own PCs but not Gaming capable PCs. Even when Steam ran a survey of the common hardware the results were sobering (majority of folks several generations behind).

On top of that, to ever have a valid comparison we'd have to eliminate bittorrent, xdcc, newsgroups, etc .

 

[Tobolo]

Console wise Halo is prolly my favorite. The first one mind you. I loved the online/multiplayer function and I thought that the campaign (except the Library) was freaking awesome. I cannot begin to tell you how many times I have played through the game.

Goldeneye was fun and all, but it never ever made me want to play the single player more than once.

Of course no FPS could ever hold a candle to Half-Life. That there was a revolutionary game!

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: ducci
And on a side note - those of you citing Goldeneye as the best console FPS ever - I think nostalgia is influencing you more than you think. Play the game now, and then play a modern FPS and let me know how that goes. Especially with only 1 analog stick - it doesn't stand the test of time.

Well, you're simply wrong. Goldeneye was a fantastic FPS. How much fun would Duke 3D be in 2007? That doesn't mean it wasn't a great game at the time. You have to judge games in the context of their eras.

And honestly, in 10 years (that's how old Goldeneye is) do you think anybody will be playing Halo? Leave the "test of time" crap out of it.

Goldeneye was a great FPS - for its time.

In 10 years will people be playing Halo?

Well, let's see... Halo 2 was released November 9, 2004. 3 years later, it is still the most played online console game in the world. Don't think so? Quote:

Following the launch of the Xbox LIVE online gaming network in November 2002, gamers have spent over 2.3 billion hours on the network playing games online with their friends around the world. This is equal to 95 million days of gaming or over 260,000 years. With our top title, Halo 2, which is being played on both the Xbox and Xbox 360, gamers have spent over 710 million hours playing online with over a half a billion games played.

Top WW Xbox LIVE Titles on Xbox 360 to date:

1 Halo 2
2 Gears of War
3 Hexic HD
4 Call of Duty 2
5 Ghost Recon 3
6 Call Of Duty 3
7 Oblivion
8 PGR3
9 Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
10 Perfect Dark Zero

I'd like to know how many people were still playing Goldeneye after 3 years? Answer - they didn't. They moved on to games like Perfect Dark. And once the PS2 and Gamecube came out, it was nonexistent.

Halo 2 is a LAST generation game for a LAST generation console, and it is STILL the most popular online console game on the planet.

 

[Deeko]

more people own PCs than consoles so then why is it that there are no games boasting the same success although they are Lightyears ahead of halo 3?

This is a stupid argument you're attempting to lure me into, and this will be my last post on the subject. I am not a PC game fanboy (the only PC games I've bought in the past 5 years are Doom III, Quake 4, FEAR, Half Life 2, and FFXI...compared to 30-40 console games in that time frame), and I have nothing against Halo. I'm just stating the facts.

Halo is one of the few good FPS games on consoles. Simply put, most console FPS games suck. Halo is one of the few shining stars, so virtually every console (well, xbox) owner buys it. On the PC, its a huge market with tons of good games, and even if they're ported they usually aren't as good on consoles - just like Halo isn't as good on PC. You thrust a sub-par port of a game designed for consoles into the crowded PC FPS market, it won't succeed, just like the PS3/XBox ports of FEAR and Half Life 2 weren't as successful there. By the way, I just checked Wikipedia - Halo has sold about 5 million copies, Halo 2 has sold about 4 milion copies. Meanwhile, Half Life has sold about 8 million copies, and Half Life 2 has solid about 4 million copies.

Your point about "more people owning PCs than consoles" is absurd. Everyone owns a PC. Not everyone that owns a PC, plays the latest games (I qualify that because the middle aged women playing spider solitaire don't count as 'gamers' in this context). Also, FPS games on PC push the bleeding edge of technology, and few people can afford/are willing to keep their PC up to date enough for that.

Halo is a good game that has had great success - and has probably made the XBox the successful console it is, but you can't really compare it to the PC and PC gaming. End of story.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I don't get it. I thought Halo (for PC) was boring and repetitive as fvck. I've heard Halo 2 is more of the same, though I've not played it myself. What's the big deal with 3? Third time's a charm?

computer gamers can be really dense sometimes. The fun of halo is that for one it is on a console, second it has a great co-op option which most games dont have and third the deathmatch is pretty fun for most people. Its a community game, the single player is not where its at.

I hate to be the one to tell you....but online gaming was born on the PC. Ever heard of a little one called "counterstrike"? Or maybe Doom. You might have heard of Doom, it was ported to SNES, and Doom III was ported to XBox.

Just throwin' it out there.

Errr....your argument had absolutely nothing to do with with what jandrews said. He didn't claim that online gaming wasn't born on the PC. All he said was that the multi-player in Halo and Halo 2 is extremely fun, allowed co-op, and has a community.

I'm not going to argue semantics with you. He said Halo is fun because its on a console and multiplayer, and that PC gamers are really dense for not knowing this. Considering multiplayer FPS games are about 100x more successful on PC and consoles, I'd say he's pretty wrong in his assertation of PC gamers benig dense on that subject.

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's asserting that PC gamers are dense because they don't realize how fun Halo multiplayer can be because most of them spend their time bashing the single-player campaign or the controls and have never really tried a multiplayer game on Live.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Judgement
How much of that will they lose in recalls due to damaged disks?

**I'm sure it will still be a ton, I'm just jealous I don't have a 360

Probably very little in comparison. Not to mention that these are just launch day numbers. I can't wait to see the numbers after Christmas.

 

[40Hands]

Ugh...the Halo series that I have played so far (1 and 2) have been decent games. I also think it's carried an over inflated hype along with it. It's really not THAT great of a series but I'm sure I will hear all the "omgz u r such a PC gaming elitist!!" comments soon. Get over yourselves.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Queasy
He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's asserting that PC gamers are dense because they don't realize how fun Halo multiplayer can be because most of them spend their time bashing the single-player campaign or the controls and have never really tried a multiplayer game on Live.

I've played UNO on XBOX Live before, does that count? I got to show off my mad Uno skeelz. I mean, you should've seen me back in college, I was practically an Uno shark. Then they made this thing where we could make a rule if we won... and I ended up making this seemingly benign rule that ended up making it so I could never lose :evil:!

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
Well I wouldn't say that I am much of a gamer anymore. Its been on a steady decline since sega. I will be honest Halo 2 is the only reason I bought xbox and Halo 3 is the only reason I bought xbox 360. I have other games and I enjoy them but I play the other games sparingly. Halo 2/3 are the only games that gets me "excited" to play. The new GTA coming out in april is starting to get me riled up though. I'm not sure my H3 obsession will be finished by then though.

Nothing wrong with that, it's always cool to see people that you'd never expect to be something... actually be that thing. Kind of like seeing the rough and tough guy go to a ballet lesson!

Originally posted by: Skacer
They still went up against everyone on a level playing field. I know people who made the jump from EQ, DAOC, FFXI, Lineage, and other smaller MMOs. I saw people leave to go to newer MMOs only to come back. Halo can barely say the same. Everyone-friendly is true, but I don't think that is a bad thing?

I'd be willing to bet that even if there was a definitively better FPS on Xbox360 than Halo 3, it still wouldn't surpass it in sales at this point. Halo is practically brand name familiarity.

Well, I mean I don't think anyone would argue that WoW keeps a large player base because it was tailored to appease everyone... and we know the rule that appeasing everyone means you can't always feasibly be the best for everyone. You can look at a lot of the MMOs that you listed and give a reason for them. EQ and DAOC were on their way out. FFXI never really caught on and Square hasn't been very customer-friendly. I don't recall Lineage (2) really catching on either.

WoW pretty much did everything right to appeal to a lot of people and came out when there was competition... but they weren't very strong.

 

[jandrews]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I don't get it. I thought Halo (for PC) was boring and repetitive as fvck. I've heard Halo 2 is more of the same, though I've not played it myself. What's the big deal with 3? Third time's a charm?

computer gamers can be really dense sometimes. The fun of halo is that for one it is on a console, second it has a great co-op option which most games dont have and third the deathmatch is pretty fun for most people. Its a community game, the single player is not where its at.

I hate to be the one to tell you....but online gaming was born on the PC. Ever heard of a little one called "counterstrike"? Or maybe Doom. You might have heard of Doom, it was ported to SNES, and Doom III was ported to XBox.

Just throwin' it out there.

yeah, my whole damn point is that this is a console game not a computer game!! I have both and play both and always have since my pentium 200. The problem with many computer gamers is that they think they have the best graphics and gameplay when they dont realize the average person with friends prefers to play with them on the couch or xbox live than by themself against strangers in their computer chair.

 

[jandrews]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I don't get it. I thought Halo (for PC) was boring and repetitive as fvck. I've heard Halo 2 is more of the same, though I've not played it myself. What's the big deal with 3? Third time's a charm?

computer gamers can be really dense sometimes. The fun of halo is that for one it is on a console, second it has a great co-op option which most games dont have and third the deathmatch is pretty fun for most people. Its a community game, the single player is not where its at.

I hate to be the one to tell you....but online gaming was born on the PC. Ever heard of a little one called "counterstrike"? Or maybe Doom. You might have heard of Doom, it was ported to SNES, and Doom III was ported to XBox.

Just throwin' it out there.

Errr....your argument had absolutely nothing to do with with what jandrews said. He didn't claim that online gaming wasn't born on the PC. All he said was that the multi-player in Halo and Halo 2 is extremely fun, allowed co-op, and has a community.

thank you, exactly

 

[jandrews]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: jandrews

Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
I don't get it. I thought Halo (for PC) was boring and repetitive as fvck. I've heard Halo 2 is more of the same, though I've not played it myself. What's the big deal with 3? Third time's a charm?

computer gamers can be really dense sometimes. The fun of halo is that for one it is on a console, second it has a great co-op option which most games dont have and third the deathmatch is pretty fun for most people. Its a community game, the single player is not where its at.

I hate to be the one to tell you....but online gaming was born on the PC. Ever heard of a little one called "counterstrike"? Or maybe Doom. You might have heard of Doom, it was ported to SNES, and Doom III was ported to XBox.

Just throwin' it out there.

Errr....your argument had absolutely nothing to do with with what jandrews said. He didn't claim that online gaming wasn't born on the PC. All he said was that the multi-player in Halo and Halo 2 is extremely fun, allowed co-op, and has a community.

I'm not going to argue semantics with you. He said Halo is fun because its on a console and multiplayer, and that PC gamers are really dense for not knowing this. Considering multiplayer FPS games are about 100x more successful on PC and consoles, I'd say he's pretty wrong in his assertation of PC gamers benig dense on that subject.

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he's asserting that PC gamers are dense because they don't realize how fun Halo multiplayer can be because most of them spend their time bashing the single-player campaign or the controls and have never really tried a multiplayer game on Live.

right once again!!