Halo (1) - worst vehicle controls EVER?

[mugs]

Originally posted by: gtsing

Originally posted by: Oceandevi
He means turn the wheel by pushing the analog stick L/R....... It already does this though..
I never had issues past the first 30 seconds...

...Oh...wow. Yeah, it already has it. What a noob.

No, it doesn't... Have you ever even played the game? You keep calling me a noob, but you don't even seem to know how the steering in the game works. Everyone else, even if they don't agree with me that the steering sucks, at least agrees that you don't directly control the steering wheel. You control the camera, and the vehicle follows (or tries to follow) the direction the camera is pointing.

Here are two experiments you can do to prove to yourself that you don't control the steering wheel directly:
1. Get in a warthog, point the camera to the left. Which way did the front wheels turn? Now pull back on the left analog stick. Which way did the front wheels turn? The answers are left and right respectively. Did you press right on the right analog stick? No. But the wheels turned to the right. So would you say you are controlling the steering wheel directly?
2. Get in a warthog, point the camera to the left. Push the left analog stick all the way forward. Which way did the wheels turn? Left, THEN RIGHT (after it fishtails). Did you push the right analog stick to the right? No. So would you say you are controlling the steering wheel directly?

I think it's the fishtailing and the lack of traction that annoy me the most. This thing handles like you're driving on ice. But controlling the steering wheel directly would be useful when trying to navigate around trees and obstacles.


Edit:
Consider the "sandbox" genre. They are all third person games, but when you're in a vehicle the perspective is the same - behind and above the vehicle. You're in a different environment of course, but it's more or less the same concept - there are people around you who want to kill you, and you want to kill them. Those games are controlled exactly like I WISH Halo was controlled. Can you honestly say you'd prefer Halo controls in those games? And if Halo controls are so great, why have none of the sandbox games implemented it? I may be a "n00b" (I've only been gaming for ~20 years... I'm such a noob ), but I've played GTA III, Vice City, True Crime: Streets of LA, Crackdown, Saints Row... those games all have good driving controls.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gtsing

Originally posted by: Oceandevi
He means turn the wheel by pushing the analog stick L/R....... It already does this though..
I never had issues past the first 30 seconds...

...Oh...wow. Yeah, it already has it. What a noob.

No, it doesn't... Have you ever even played the game? You keep calling me a noob, but you don't even seem to know how the steering in the game works. Everyone else, even if they don't agree with me that the steering sucks, at least agrees that you don't directly control the steering wheel. You control the camera, and the vehicle follows (or tries to follow) the direction the camera is pointing.

Here are two experiments you can do to prove to yourself that you don't control the steering wheel directly:
1. Get in a warthog, point the camera to the left. Which way did the front wheels turn? Now pull back on the left analog stick. Which way did the front wheels turn? The answers are left and right respectively. Did you press right on the right analog stick? No. But the wheels turned to the right. So would you say you are controlling the steering wheel directly?
2. Get in a warthog, point the camera to the left. Push the left analog stick all the way forward. Which way did the wheels turn? Left, THEN RIGHT (after it fishtails). Did you push the right analog stick to the right? No. So would you say you are controlling the steering wheel directly?

I think it's the fishtailing and the lack of traction that annoy me the most. This thing handles like you're driving on ice. But controlling the steering wheel directly would be useful when trying to navigate around trees and obstacles.

theres a lvl where you drive i ton ice, its even more fun

 

[Auryg]

Keep at it. I'm known to be the best Halo vehicle driver around these parts

At first it might not make sense, but it makes whipping around a lot easier, which comes in handy for avoiding rockets/sideswiping people.

A for handbrake, left trigger for regular break. You'll get used to it, and you'll never want any other controls again (for a non-racing game with vehicles).

 

[Thraxen]

Honestly, the steering is extremely easy. When I first played Halo and got in the Warthog I was like, "WTF?", for the first 30 seconds... but once I realized that the vehicle drives the direction the camera is facing it became absurdly easy to drive. Seriously, it's FAR EASIER than even standard driving controls. You don't have to do any fine adjustments to steering, the vehicle takes care of that itself... all you have to do is point the way you want to go. I really fail to see why this is such a issue.

 

[CKDragon]

Is the steering the same in Halo 1 as Halo 3? I played the first Halo on the PC, skipped the second, and now I'm playing the third campaign with a friend in co-op. We encountered our first vehicles TODAY... I could manage them, but I agree that the controls are not optimal. I'd much prefer the steering wheel to be the left analog stick, free look be the right analog stick, and accelerate be a trigger or a button.

To each his own, but mugs certainly isn't alone on this issue.

 

[CasioTech]

Originally posted by: gtsing

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gtsing

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gtsing

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Really easy, wherever the arrow is pointing, that's where the vehicle goes.

Yeah, I understood that. I'd rather control the steering wheel, like in every other game I've ever played that involves controlling vehicles.

I seriously don't see the point of your thread. You indicate that you understand how the controls work then you say you'd rather play like GT5 is going to be. I'm sure many people would like to play Halo another way but, you can't, so you should just get used to it or stop playing.

BTW, you might see something beneficial when you learn to drive.

The point of this thread is that this is supposed to be a great game and the driving controls are a piece of shit. I thought this was a pretty decent game (other than the repetitive first level), but the driving makes me not want to play it anymore. You say I might see something beneficial when I "learn to drive." I learned to drive more than 10 years ago. I'd like to know what benefits I'll see when I learn to drive a Halo vehicle, because right now all I'm seeing is that I can't look in one direction and turn my vehicle in another direction, and that sucks. And I can't directly control the steering wheel of my vehicle, and that sucks. So I'm wondering, what supposed advantage is there to this counterintuitive vehicle control scheme?

It is a great game and I loved it. You just suck at driving. If you bitch so much about the vehicles and their control scheme just don't play. It's that simple.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say when you mean "directly control the steering wheel." Like, you want a cockpit, is that what you're saying? Okay, say you got your cockpit (but you never will), please tell me why you'd want to look in another direction than you're turning. Yes, maybe to see the beautiful scenery over there or a guy with a rocket launcher that could blast you to hell but you couldn't see where you're driving?

But all in all, if you don't like the game because of the vehicles then seriously just don't play it. You might get good at driving them one day and actually enjoy it.

No, I don't want a cockpit. The 3rd person view is fine - that's what I normally use when I play racing games. I'd like (as I've said twice) to be able to directly control the steering wheel. And if you don't understand why you'd want to look someplace other than the direction you're steering, then obviously you're not old enough to drive, and you must not understand why racing games give you the ability to look around while you're driving.

Yeah, you're right, I should just stop playing. This game is a piece of shit. I guess I'll join the Sony and PC fanboys in their Halo bashing, because this game is a piece of shit.

LOL

You're like the biggest noob I've ever seen, GG. No one else seems to have a problem with the controls. If you're going to quit Halo, why not (while you're at it) just quit gaming in general?

BTW I don't know what the fuck you're talking about when you say directly control the steering wheel. You make no sense.

Why should he quit gaming? Because he says Halo is a piece of shit? That's because it is and has nothing to do with gaming in general.

 

[gtsing]

Originally posted by: CasioTech

Originally posted by: gtsing

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gtsing

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gtsing

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Really easy, wherever the arrow is pointing, that's where the vehicle goes.

Yeah, I understood that. I'd rather control the steering wheel, like in every other game I've ever played that involves controlling vehicles.

I seriously don't see the point of your thread. You indicate that you understand how the controls work then you say you'd rather play like GT5 is going to be. I'm sure many people would like to play Halo another way but, you can't, so you should just get used to it or stop playing.

BTW, you might see something beneficial when you learn to drive.

The point of this thread is that this is supposed to be a great game and the driving controls are a piece of shit. I thought this was a pretty decent game (other than the repetitive first level), but the driving makes me not want to play it anymore. You say I might see something beneficial when I "learn to drive." I learned to drive more than 10 years ago. I'd like to know what benefits I'll see when I learn to drive a Halo vehicle, because right now all I'm seeing is that I can't look in one direction and turn my vehicle in another direction, and that sucks. And I can't directly control the steering wheel of my vehicle, and that sucks. So I'm wondering, what supposed advantage is there to this counterintuitive vehicle control scheme?

It is a great game and I loved it. You just suck at driving. If you bitch so much about the vehicles and their control scheme just don't play. It's that simple.

I don't really understand what you're trying to say when you mean "directly control the steering wheel." Like, you want a cockpit, is that what you're saying? Okay, say you got your cockpit (but you never will), please tell me why you'd want to look in another direction than you're turning. Yes, maybe to see the beautiful scenery over there or a guy with a rocket launcher that could blast you to hell but you couldn't see where you're driving?

But all in all, if you don't like the game because of the vehicles then seriously just don't play it. You might get good at driving them one day and actually enjoy it.

No, I don't want a cockpit. The 3rd person view is fine - that's what I normally use when I play racing games. I'd like (as I've said twice) to be able to directly control the steering wheel. And if you don't understand why you'd want to look someplace other than the direction you're steering, then obviously you're not old enough to drive, and you must not understand why racing games give you the ability to look around while you're driving.

Yeah, you're right, I should just stop playing. This game is a piece of shit. I guess I'll join the Sony and PC fanboys in their Halo bashing, because this game is a piece of shit.

LOL

You're like the biggest noob I've ever seen, GG. No one else seems to have a problem with the controls. If you're going to quit Halo, why not (while you're at it) just quit gaming in general?

BTW I don't know what the fuck you're talking about when you say directly control the steering wheel. You make no sense.

Why should he quit gaming? Because he says Halo is a piece of shit? That's because it is and has nothing to do with gaming in general.

Nah man, I don't give a shit about people liking or disliking Halo. I loved it when it came out years ago and I was amazing at it but then better games came out and I stopped playing. From now on the only fun part is co-op with a friend. Especially the warthog levels...well, that is of course if you can drive the warthog. It's just the fact he's such a noob and bitches about something he clearly can't change. What a disgrace.

And mugs...when you say noob as n00b it just restates the fact that you're a noob.

Yeah, I played the game. Like, 5 years ago. Not when I could pick it up for like $1 at the bargain bin.

Just L2P and stop complaining.

EDIT Man, you don't like no traction? Totally makes you drive with style...if you can control it of course.

 

[CasioTech]

I gotta say, halo is really a piece of shit. The graphics were terrible, the frame rates were terrible. I will leave the story out of this. I don't think people have ever seen a good console FPS before and that's why they ate it up. But it's no surprise people eat crap up.

It's amazing they managed to make Halo2 so much better for the Xbox given the same hardware. Still I can't stand a game that doesn't do at least 45fps.

Red Faction Pwns Halo. And Red Faction kinda sucks too.

 

[gtsing]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
I gotta say, halo is really a piece of shit. The graphics were terrible, the frame rates were terrible. I will leave the story out of this. I don't think people have ever seen a good console FPS before and that's why they ate it up. But it's no surprise people eat crap up.

It's amazing they managed to make Halo2 so much better for the Xbox given the same hardware. Still I can't stand a game that doesn't do at least 45fps.

Red Faction Pwns Halo. And Red Faction kinda sucks too.

Haha to be honest I think quite differently about the Halo series. I loved the first one because it was so new and fresh I suppose. There was just something awesome about it.

But, then 2 came along and I hated it and it left me very disappointed and confused about the story. I don't have a 360 so I can't play Halo 3 yet. I still want to play it but I'm not going to rush out and get a 360 because of it. I think they made Halo 2 look so much better simply because they knew how to take advantage of the Xbox's hardware a lot more then they did developing Halo 1 (it was a launch title, I think..) because the hardware was new to them.

Red Faction was also pretty awesome when it came out. But IMO games really degrade over time. I can't stand playing HL1 over again.

 

[mugs]

I am definitely not the worst Warthog driver ever - that honor goes to the Halo 3 AI (I bought it today). In the first level that involved driving I had to take over driving twice because the AI driver stopped and refused to go anywhere and once because the AI driver kept driving around in circles while a mortar was firing at us. It also flipped the Warthog once by driving into the side of a steep hill - I have no idea why it decided it needed to do that.

I didn't spend a whole lot of time driving myself, but it did feel a lot better than Halo 1. The Warthog didn't seem to slide around as much, and that helped a lot. It felt a lot more like what I think vehicle controls should feel like. Despite the AI's piss-poor driving, I enjoy manning the gun while someone else drives. :thumbsup: Halo 3.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: CasioTech
I gotta say, halo is really a piece of shit. The graphics were terrible, the frame rates were terrible. I will leave the story out of this. I don't think people have ever seen a good console FPS before and that's why they ate it up. But it's no surprise people eat crap up.

It's amazing they managed to make Halo2 so much better for the Xbox given the same hardware. Still I can't stand a game that doesn't do at least 45fps.

Red Faction Pwns Halo. And Red Faction kinda sucks too.

Retarded.

EDIT: Wait...

Originally posted by: CasioTech
I gotta say, halo is really a piece of shit. The graphics were terrible, the frame rates were terrible. I will leave the story out of this. I don't think people have ever seen a good console FPS before and that's why they ate it up. But it's no surprise people eat crap up.

It's amazing they managed to make Halo2 so much better for the Xbox given the same hardware. Still I can't stand a game that doesn't do at least 45fps.

Red Faction Pwns Halo. And Red Faction kinda sucks too.

Retarded.


Ah, that's more accurate.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: mugs
I'd like (as I've said twice) to be able to directly control the steering wheel. And if you don't understand why you'd want to look someplace other than the direction you're steering, then obviously you're not old enough to drive, and you must not understand why racing games give you the ability to look around while you're driving.

Theres your answer, they made it so players/kids with zero driving experience can easily grasp the vehicle controls. For you and I, it is more of a having to "unlearn what you have learned" issue.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: mugs
I'd like (as I've said twice) to be able to directly control the steering wheel. And if you don't understand why you'd want to look someplace other than the direction you're steering, then obviously you're not old enough to drive, and you must not understand why racing games give you the ability to look around while you're driving.

Theres your answer, they made it so players/kids with zero driving experience can easily grasp the vehicle controls. For you and I, it is more of a having to "unlearn what you have learned" issue.

Driving in halo =! driving IRL. I don't want a damn driving sim in my Halo! I drive, but driving in Halo is a completely different task.

Anyway, realistically, only 1 vehicle (the warthog) would apply to what you want, or 2 if you count the ATV from Halo 3. All the other vehicles are unconventional, and would realistically drive different than a four wheeled vehicle with traction. I don't think Bungie feels like taking the time to create a realistic driving approach to every vehicle, although that would be kind of cool to see at first.

Still, Halo controls -> conventional driving controls for what you need driving for in Halo.

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: CasioTech
I gotta say, halo is really a piece of shit. The graphics were terrible, the frame rates were terrible. I will leave the story out of this. I don't think people have ever seen a good console FPS before and that's why they ate it up. But it's no surprise people eat crap up.

It's amazing they managed to make Halo2 so much better for the Xbox given the same hardware. Still I can't stand a game that doesn't do at least 45fps.

Red Faction Pwns Halo. And Red Faction kinda sucks too.

Retarded.

EDIT: Wait...

Originally posted by: CasioTech
I gotta say, halo is really a piece of shit. The graphics were terrible, the frame rates were terrible. I will leave the story out of this. I don't think people have ever seen a good console FPS before and that's why they ate it up. But it's no surprise people eat crap up.

It's amazing they managed to make Halo2 so much better for the Xbox given the same hardware. Still I can't stand a game that doesn't do at least 45fps.

Red Faction Pwns Halo. And Red Faction kinda sucks too.

Retarded.


Ah, that's more accurate.

He's banned now.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: gtsing

And mugs...when you say noob as n00b it just restates the fact that you're a noob.

Yeah, I played the game. Like, 5 years ago. Not when I could pick it up for like $1 at the bargain bin.

Just L2P and stop complaining.

What, when you were 11?

:laugh:

 

[Oceandevi]

I think the standard controls work very well for running over people. I hope that mugs can get past the odd feeling and enjoy the game.

(Ask bungie why they did it that way, nobody here really knows.)

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi
I think the standard controls work very well for running over people. I hope that mugs can get past the odd feeling and enjoy the game.

(Ask bungie why they did it that way, nobody here really knows.)

They did it to make the game simpler. We don't want a racing sim in an FPS, it would be impossible to pass that level.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: Oceandevi
I think the standard controls work very well for running over people. I hope that mugs can get past the odd feeling and enjoy the game.

(Ask bungie why they did it that way, nobody here really knows.)

They did it to make the game simpler. We don't want a racing sim in an FPS, it would be impossible to pass that level.

Wow, you're about the fourth person to say this, and it makes no sense. The only things that would be different are that you'd be able to look around when you're driving and you'd steer with the other analog stick. Haven't any of you ever played Battlefield 1942? I'm pretty sure the driving controls are the way I describe them. Was that game impossible?

 

[jdoggg12]

Maybe they just wanted to go with something different? Personally i'm glad they did b/c i love the controls... they're as precise as your skill level

 

[PimpJuice]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gtsing
You're just a noob.

I am. I'm a Halo noob. But I'm not a video game noob, and I don't see anything beneficial to this control scheme over any other control scheme I've encountered. So enlighten me. How is it better than controlling the steering wheel?

 

[Injury]

I agree entirely. The controls for vehicles suck and could have been done better. You can claim it's about being able to run over things easier, but how can I find things to run over if the damn thing can't be easily driven?

I hate that looking a certain direction determines where you go, I hate that accelerating is controlled by a stick instead of a button. What's so damn hard about using a button to accelerate/brake rather than the control sticks?

I agree that you CAN get used to it, but the point that needs to be made is that you SHOULD NOT HAVE TO get used to it... it should feel natural from the get-go.

I've never had any problems running people over in BF2 while having the direction I look and the direction the vehicle is moving be independent. Why can't you customize the controls anyway?

 

[drivincontolsuck]

I agree entirely. The controls for vehicles suck and could have been done better. You can claim it's about being able to run over things easier, but how can I find things to run over if the damn thing can't be easily driven?

I hate that looking a certain direction determines where you go, I hate that accelerating is controlled by a stick instead of a button. What's so damn hard about using a button to accelerate/brake rather than the control sticks?

I agree that you CAN get used to it, but the point that needs to be made is that you SHOULD NOT HAVE TO get used to it... it should feel natural from the get-go.

I've never had any problems running people over in BF2 while having the direction I look and the direction the vehicle is moving be independent. Why can't you customize the controls anyway?

This guy gets it

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I was going to question the reason for this particular necro, but the user name checks out.

My reply in this thread was terrible as well. I am clearly one of the mentally challenged members in the discussion.

 

[UsandThem]

I was going to question the reason for this particular necro, but the user name checks out.

The thread has "only" been dead 14 years, so it's really not that much of a necro.

 

[NTMBK]

Halo 1 Warthog is still awesome, OP is still wrong