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Fanatical Meat is correct!

"Purdue debuted the narcotic OxyContin in 1996. The powerful painkiller gained momentum through heavy marketing approaches and topped sales revenues at $31 billion..."

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Since 2009, there have been more than 14,500 cases of heroin and opioid overdoses in emergency rooms across the state. (Photo by Johanna Huckeba/Cronkite News)

Experts: Doctor training key to fighting opioid epidemic

By Ally Carr | Cronkite News

Thursday, January 5, 2017

PHOENIX – When Dr. Patricia Lebensohn prescribed a narcotic to a man with chronic pain years ago, she thought she had done everything right. The Tucson doctor had him sign a pain management contract to make sure he would not take any other drugs or get more pain medications from other doctors.

“I prescribed the usual,” she said. “I wasn’t excessive.”

But her patient took a bunch of his pain medication and mixed it with alcohol, she said. He overdosed and died.

That incident left an impression on Lebensohn, who wants to change the way doctors treat chronic pain in Arizona. Doctors often rely on dangerous and highly addictive narcotics to treat patients with pain, which has helped feed a nationwide epidemic that has exploded because of cultural shifts, consumer demands and poor doctor training.

She’s in charge of adding new guidelines on how to properly prescribe opioids and address chronic pain in the curriculum at the University of Arizona’s medical school in Tucson.

Many experts say doctor training is key to dealing with the national opioid epidemic.

About 72 percent of the doctors surveyed in one recent study indicated their knowledge of opioid dependence was low, and many rated their training as “unsatisfactory,” according to a 2016 study published in the Drug and Alcohol Dependence journal.

Although Arizona has developed a training program for doctors on prescribing opioids and treating chronic pain, the state does not mandate doctors take continuing education in pain management, controlled-substance prescribing or substance-abuse disorders – as several other states do. University of Arizona College of Medicine – Tucson, the state’s largest medical school that offers a doctor of medicine degree, has offered some classes in this area and it plans to add more.

In 2014, more than 14,000 people died in the U.S. from prescription opioid-related overdoses, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“It’s kind of sexy to talk about things like pill mills and illegal drugs coming from China, but in fact, the majority of people who get hooked on pills started out with a prescription that was totally legitimate,” said Corey Davis, an attorney for the Network for Public Health Law and author of a study evaluating continuing education for physicians.

He said something needs to change.

“If they had been teaching doctors something else that was resulting in the deaths of thousands and thousands of patients a year, they would do something to stop that immediately,” Davis said. “And the fact that they’re not doing that here, I think suggests that they don’t take it incredibly seriously.”

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Dr. Craig Norquist, an emergency medicine physician at Scottsdale Emergency Associates, said that when doctors recognize the name of a patient who keeps returning to the emergency room to get more pain medication ”that's a failure of the system.” (Photo by Ally Carr/Cronkite News)

Pervasive problem

Pain relievers accounted for nearly 60 percent of all pills prescribed in Arizona in 2013, according to a presentation for the Bureau of Justice Assistance at the 2014 prescription drug monitoring program national meeting.

“Pain management in our country has become almost unanimous with use of narcotics,” said Mazda Shirazi, medical director of the Arizona Poison and Drug Information Center at the University of Arizona College of Pharmacy.

For a long time, many doctors believed these narcotics were safe.

A 1980 letter to the editor in the New England Journal of Medicine indicated patients would not get addicted to narcotics, so physicians started to prescribe pain medications more liberally, said Craig Norquist, an emergency physician and former president of the Arizona chapter of the American College of Emergency Physicians.

In the 1990s, many doctors thought “there’s no good reason to withhold pain medication” because they were “still under the misbelief from that article that addiction would not happen to people who had legitimate pain,” he said."

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Having never knowing taken a drug beyond over the counter NSAIDS and Caffeine, I have the utmost sympathy for these 'junkies' as people want to call them. What was once a recreational use turns into a need in very short order. What may have been a poor choice at some point in time, this person pays for it the rest of their lives with cravings they will likely always have...

Awareness is certainly an issue, but even then, many kids are foolish and think "I will never get addicted" and pay for their over confidence/arrogance the rest of their lives. Are any of us any different at times? The problem is, some of us learned our lessons with things that had less drastic consequences...

For an addict, the need is real, not perceived, at least to them. Their very being screams with discomfort when they don't get their fix and the medicine they need is the very thing keeping them hooked. It is very sad... I hope medicine advances enough to make sobriety a little (or lot) easier to deal with.
 
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It's an drug epidemic when there is a subozone, methadone clinic on almost every corner. I've lost so many friends because of that nasty drug. It all starts with the doctor prescribing opiates to everyone. A friend of mine's daughter got prescribed 60 30mg oxy's because she sprained her ankle. My friend lost her daughter to heroin 2 years later. It all started with painkillers and when she couldn't afford them anymore heroin was the cheaper option. To get off of any opiates you go through some major withdraws like sweating profusely even though your cold, you can get restless leg syndrome, throwing up, you have no concentration. The saddest part is your beautiful smart daughter/son becomes someone you don't know anymore. They will steal, lie and do whatever is possible to get the next fix.
 

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Having never knowing taken a drug beyond over the counter NSAIDS and Caffeine, I have the utmost sympathy for these 'junkies' as people want to call them. What was once a recreational use turns into a need in very short order. What may have been a poor choice at some point in time, this person pays for it the rest of their lives with cravings they will likely always have...

Awareness is certainly an issue, but even then, many kids are foolish and think "I will never get addicted" and pay for their over confidence/arrogance the rest of their lives. Are any of us any different at times? The problem is, some of us learned our lessons with things that had less drastic consequences...

For an addict, the need is real, not perceived, at least to them. Their very being screams with discomfort when they don't get their fix and the medicine they need is the very thing keeping them hooked. It is very sad... I hope medicine advances enough to make sobriety a little (or lot) easier to deal with.

The big problem with opiods is most addicts didn't even start taking them for a high, or from a 'poor choice' necessarily. I know many people who had it prescribed by a medical professional, who willingly re-prescribed it over and over because 'the pain is still there' (nevermind the fact that the pain is now being caused by withdrawl symptoms). For those who the doctor finally cuts off? Why, there's a whole internet full of 'doctors' who will gladly prescribe you whatever you want for a small fee, or even easier, just buy the stuff direct from $foreign_country at insurance-copay + a bit prices.

EDIT: Every person in america should be forced to watch Requiem for a Dream, that's a pretty solid jumpoff point for how many doctors have traditionally functioned in terms of pain drugs.
 
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It's an drug epidemic when there is a subozone, methadone clinic on almost every corner. I've lost so many friends because of that nasty drug. It all starts with the doctor prescribing opiates to everyone. A friend of mine's daughter got prescribed 60 30mg oxy's because she sprained her ankle. My friend lost her daughter to heroin 2 years later. It all started with painkillers and when she couldn't afford them anymore heroin was the cheaper option. To get off of any opiates you go through some major withdraws like sweating profusely even though your cold, you can get restless leg syndrome, throwing up, you have no concentration. The saddest part is your beautiful smart daughter/son becomes someone you don't know anymore. They will steal, lie and do whatever is possible to get the next fix.

It is very sad.

The physical withdrawls are pretty rough. The mental addiction lasts far longer.
 

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You're conveniently leaving out the fucksticks in government at the CMS and JC that basically force fed my generation of fellow physicians with bullshit like "Pain is the 5th vital sign", "If you don't treat the patient's pain adequately, you're abusing the patient and taking away a fundamental right of pain relief!" That crap was shoved down our throats in the late 90's and early 2000's.... Funny how the whole opioid blame game is laid fully on physicians, when we don't get even a pen from drug reps anymore...

In case you didn't know who the CMS is, they're the branch of the feds that basically set the standards for Medicaid and Medicare, which um..., are responsible for a huge chunk of my paycheck. For example did you know the CMS bases part of physician reimbursement based on patient satisfaction scores on pain relief?!!

NOBODY in the federal government had the doctors in a choke hold as they were writing enough prescriptions so that every man, woman and child in certain areas could have 2 or 3 bottles of Oxy even if they had never been to a doctor. Yes, the feds pushed pain management too hard, but it was the guys with the prescription pads that fell asleep at the switch. Instead of actually treating patients, paying attention to their symptoms and monitoring drug usage health care became like the drive through at McDonalds. Quality of care went out the window and quantity of care became the industry standard, especially when it came to pain killers. Get people in and out of the office as quickly as possible, the more you can see the more you can bill. "Still in pain? Here's your dope. Next! Still in pain? Here's your dope. Next!!" Diagnose? Fuck that, what a waste of time. Scribble a prescription and send them on their way, no patients ever complained about getting too many happy pills.
 
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Totally agreed. I was addressing just the 'junkies' though... You know, the ones who did get hooked due to a poor choice. If I have sympathy for them though, then I have even more for people who become hooked through proper usage. I just find it degrading when people call them junkies. They are people who made a poor choice, that is it. And now their judgement is clouded which continues with them making poor choices on an almost entirely automatic/uncontrollable level. Can they get sober? Yes, but it requires an immense amount of support and dedication that only a few can seem to muster...
 

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Totally agreed. I was addressing just the 'junkies' though... You know, the ones who did get hooked due to a poor choice. If I have sympathy for them though, then I have even more for people who become hooked through proper usage. I just find it degrading when people call them junkies. They are people who made a poor choice, that is it. And now their judgement is clouded which continues with them making poor choices on an almost entirely automatic/uncontrollable level. Can they get sober? Yes, but it requires an immense amount of support and dedication that only a few can seem to muster...

'Junkies' is just a term used by people who haven't been in the shit, to make them feel better about what is happening to others. It's a dehumanization tactic and very normal among humans, we do it to pretty much any group that we're either actively attempting to cause harm to, or attempting to ignore the harm being caused to.
 

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'Junkies' is just a term used by people who haven't been in the shit, to make them feel better about what is happening to others. It's a dehumanization tactic and very normal among humans, we do it to pretty much any group that we're either actively attempting to cause harm to, or attempting to ignore the harm being caused to.

It's funny how addictions can be spun depending on how socially acceptable the substances are at any time. I'm a reformed smoker and smokers have always been somewhere in the middle of the blame charts.

Anyone addicted to heroin, crack, PCP, meth or other drugs like that (read poor and minority) were junkies.

Anyone addicted to nicotine was addicted to nicotine.

Anyone addicted to alcohol had a disease.

Nobody ever tried to paint alcoholics as "junkies" or even addicts, the poor alcoholics were suffering with a disease out of their control. Nobody ever tried to paint smokers as people battling a disease, we were just weak and stupid, but at least we were not junkies. And junkies were never anything but junkies, at least until it became a white problem. Now I think heroin has graduated one rung up the ladder and heroin users are addicts, but not junkies anymore. But those damn crackheads are junkies and will remain so until either white people or rich people get hooked more often.
 
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Same here, however they get prescribed for nearly everything now. Both nieces wisdom teeth had them prescribed

When I have had surgery the doctors have at times written a prescription for them I just don't use or fill it. I cannot see taking shit like that unless I really had to, which I haven't yet. I just take an 800 mg Ibuprofen or just tough it out. Then again I have always had a pretty high pain threshold.
 

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It's funny how addictions can be spun depending on how socially acceptable the substances are at any time. I'm a reformed smoker and smokers have always been somewhere in the middle of the blame charts.

Anyone addicted to heroin, crack, PCP, meth or other drugs like that (read poor and minority) were junkies.

Anyone addicted to nicotine was addicted to nicotine.

Anyone addicted to alcohol had a disease.

Nobody ever tried to paint alcoholics as "junkies" or even addicts, the poor alcoholics were suffering with a disease out of their control. Nobody ever tried to paint smokers as people battling a disease, we were just weak and stupid, but at least we were not junkies. And junkies were never anything but junkies, at least until it became a white problem. Now I think heroin has graduated one rung up the ladder and heroin users are addicts, but not junkies anymore. But those damn crackheads are junkies and will remain so until either white people or rich people get hooked more often.

Hehe, so true, sadly so. Humans love to categorize, and usually do so based on what is comfortable/familiar to them. Everyone knows someone who likes to get sloshed sometimes, but crack? That's only something for degenerates.

The opiate epidemic will get 'handled' because it's affecting white people, unfortunately it's likely to end there for the same reason.
 

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Tell your doctor you don't want painkillers. You'll get better medical care if your doctor doesn't think you are just there making up some BS to get a fix.
 

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NOBODY in the federal government had the doctors in a choke hold as they were writing enough prescriptions so that every man, woman and child in certain areas could have 2 or 3 bottles of Oxy even if they had never been to a doctor. Yes, the feds pushed pain management too hard, but it was the guys with the prescription pads that fell asleep at the switch. Instead of actually treating patients, paying attention to their symptoms and monitoring drug usage health care became like the drive through at McDonalds. Quality of care went out the window and quantity of care became the industry standard, especially when it came to pain killers. Get people in and out of the office as quickly as possible, the more you can see the more you can bill. "Still in pain? Here's your dope. Next! Still in pain? Here's your dope. Next!!" Diagnose? Fuck that, what a waste of time. Scribble a prescription and send them on their way, no patients ever complained about getting too many happy pills.

I've read in some places that it was basically the confluence of "curing pain" and doctor ratings / performance evaluations by patients that lead to the gradual increase of opiate prescriptions to the point where it is now an epidemic. This was spearheaded by the AMA for the most part.
 

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I've been told the DEA stepped in because no body would step up to the plate and take responsibility. Probably the worst possible group (Gestapo's) that would step in.

As I understand it one of the many triggers if this action was Walgreens abuse in Florida. Google it!

There are legitimate needs for these pain meds for some people. Now every legit patient is treated like a potential criminal by doctors and pharmacies due to the heavy handed threats from DEA. Legit pharmacies are even being rationed. It's a mess.

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I've read in some places that it was basically the confluence of "curing pain" and doctor ratings / performance evaluations by patients that lead to the gradual increase of opiate prescriptions to the point where it is now an epidemic. This was spearheaded by the AMA for the most part.

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When I have had surgery the doctors have at times written a prescription for them I just don't use or fill it. I cannot see taking shit like that unless I really had to, which I haven't yet. I just take an 800 mg Ibuprofen or just tough it out. Then again I have always had a pretty high pain threshold.

I agree, only time I took a prescription pain killer was after a hernia surgery in 1990. I took one and slept well but when I woke up I didn't feel rested but felt like I had a massive hangover. That was the first and last time.
 

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I've read in some places that it was basically the confluence of "curing pain" and doctor ratings / performance evaluations by patients that lead to the gradual increase of opiate prescriptions to the point where it is now an epidemic. This was spearheaded by the AMA for the most part.

Like I said earlier, nobody ever complained about being given too many narcotics. Sure, doctors that were easy marks and tossed around Oxy prescriptions like they were fun size Snickers bars at Halloween had happy patients. And those patients told two friends and they told two friends and so on and so on and so on.

No matter what the feds say about pain management, doctors presumably went to medical school. They know damn well the danger of opiates being addictive and they know that you can't let patients essentially self-medicate by complaining of phantom pain and getting a new scrip no questions asked. WTF did these doctors think was going to happen? Give people virtually unlimited narcotics with almost no oversight and they wind up addicted? What a shock!!
 

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Tell your doctor you don't want painkillers. You'll get better medical care if your doctor doesn't think you are just there making up some BS to get a fix.
I torqued my lower back a few years ago (banged my head and shocked my whole spinal column, which sucks btw, I can't recommend doing this) and went to the doctor because I was concerned that the lower back pain indicated that all was not well with the head banging. His first offer was opioids. I declined those. He then offered an anti-inflammatory, which I did take. Since inflammation was the problem, I thought it bizarre that the first choice was to treat a symptom instead of addressing the underlying issue. He didn't strike me as a pill pusher so maybe he was testing me to see if I was trying to get a fix.
 

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I torqued my lower back a few years ago (banged my head and shocked my whole spinal column, which sucks btw, I can't recommend doing this) and went to the doctor because I was concerned that the lower back pain indicated that all was not well with the head banging. His first offer was opioids. I declined those. He then offered an anti-inflammatory, which I did take. Since inflammation was the problem, I thought it bizarre that the first choice was to treat a symptom instead of addressing the underlying issue. He didn't strike me as a pill pusher so maybe he was testing me to see if I was trying to get a fix.
They aren't necessarily pill pushers, but they have a lot of people who come in and make shit up just to get drugs, so they learned to triage that and cut to the chase. That's why if you want an actual diagnosis and treatment for whatever ails you, you are best served by telling them up front that you don't want any painkillers.
 

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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/03/pain_prescription_limits_set.html

Ohio doctors, dentists and other health professionals will be able to prescribe only up to seven days of painkillers for adults and five days for kids and teens under new rules announced Thursday.

The limits apply to acute pain patients, with exceptions for cancer, hospice or medication-assisted addiction patients. Prescribers can override the limits if they provide a specific reason in the patient's medical record.

State officials estimated 109 million fewer opiate doses would be administered under the new limits.
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'Junkies' is just a term used by people who haven't been in the shit, to make them feel better about what is happening to others. It's a dehumanization tactic and very normal among humans, we do it to pretty much any group that we're either actively attempting to cause harm to, or attempting to ignore the harm being caused to.

You HAVE to dehumanize people in order to feel good about taking freedom away from sick people and throwing them in assrape prison. If you can convince yourself that they are lowlifes or degenerates or junkies or pieces of shit then you don't have to feel bad about what you did to them.

It is used by cops to justify arresting these people instead of helping them.
It is used by DAs to justify prosecuting these people instead of helping them.
It is used by judges to justify sentencing these people to prison.
It is used by prison guards and administration to justify treating these people like shit while they are in prison.

There is a long line of people who are willing to do bad things to sick people because they earn a living doing so. And they feel perfectly good doing so.