Had to have a man arrested today

[DAPUNISHER]

And? That doesn't mean he was intoxicated, nor that he was drinking and driving.

Have you ever been to a football game and drank a beer in the car while tailgating before the game? Have you never gone out with your friends to a club and mixed a 50/50 Rum & Coke in a plastic coke bottle and drank it real fast in the car before you went into the bars so you didn't have to pay $9 a drink?

I don't condone any substance + driving, please don't take it that way.

Elementary my dear Watson, he was drinking and rockin' da ganja in the vehicle, then immediately proceeded to the bar afterwards. What if? at this point is just another lame excuse, this demonstrates a clear behavioral pattern and on a Friday, a major partying day for most who do so, I'd say he was on his way to a good bender. The preponderance of evidence provided by the OP points to exactly that, I could be wrong but though it's possible it's not the most probable senario in my life's experience.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

"You wanna go to jail or you wanna go home?"

Do they ask you that when you fail the FST?

FST? Firearm safety?

Field sobriety test. You go to jail if you take it and fail, they don't offer to take you/let you go home

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

"You wanna go to jail or you wanna go home?"

Do they ask you that when you fail the FST?

FST? Firearm safety?

Field sobriety test. You go to jail if you take it and fail, they don't offer to take you/let you go home

Some officers will let you get a ride from a family member/friend/cab if you're not too drunk (read: BAC ~.08), so maybe some do say it.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth
No kidding. Ever hear of the "broken windows" theory, prouser?

And I'm very aware of the "broken windows" theory. This is a very poor example to try and use that. Wouldn't a simple: "Excuse me guys, can you please take that elsewhere?" have worked? If they refused, THEN called the cops?

Seeing any crime or even one panhandler in an area can be severely detrimental to public opinion. It all starts with something small and snowballs from there.

So do you call the police EVERY time you see any crime? I agree there CAN be a snowball affect, but come on - that's absurd. By that logic I should have called the police 20 times on my way to work today. And I see at least 5 people a day on my commute panhandling - should I call the police on all of them? Please...

Wow at least you didnt stoop as low as thinking to mention traffic infractions JESUS.

OH great ask them to go elsewhere now that they are INTOXICATED!!!!!!!!!!!1

Please show me where he mentioned that the guy was "INTOXICATED!!!!!!!!!1" or in any way acting in a dangerous manner. Many fine restaurants have either some type of security, doorman, bouncer or designated person to handle any potential conflicts.

And please explain how I am stooping low. I am simply stating that IN MY OPINION someone driving 65 miles an hour in a 35 zone is MORE DANGEROUS to society then someone who hits a joint before dinner.

It's been a while since I turned on the news to hear "Guy smokes joint, goes into restaurant and blows away 10 people."

He mentioned that there was an open container in the car.

And? That doesn't mean he was intoxicated, nor that he was drinking and driving.

Have you ever been to a football game and drank a beer in the car while tailgating before the game? Have you never gone out with your friends to a club and mixed a 50/50 Rum & Coke in a plastic coke bottle and drank it real fast in the car before you went into the bars so you didn't have to pay $9 a drink?

I don't condone any substance + driving, please don't take it that way.

No, he just put it there so it would get warm and go flat.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Some officers will let you get a ride from a family member/friend/cab if you're not too drunk (read: BAC ~.08), so maybe some do say it.

Not where I live, it's a zero tolerance policy. They've been known to cease multimillion$$$ boats because they found a couple OZ's of pot on board at Port Canaveral.

 

[ProUser]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth

I'll soon be the police, so I'll take care of it myself. Of course I don't call the police every time I see something illegal, but if I saw illegal drug use that's a different story. We can debate back and forth about the pros and cons of decriminalization of marijuana, but that won't get us anywhere. The current law says it's illegal, so I'll enforce it as such.

And I can pretty much guarantee you, that when you do become a member of the police force - you WON'T be able to take care of it all yourself. There is simply too much crime. You will choose between the greater of the evils (at least I hope). Are you going to arrest several thousand people by yourself at a rock concert when they all light up? No, you aren't.. but hopefully you WOULD pull over the 1 or 2 of them that couldn't drive safely on their way home for whatever reason.

I don't do pot, nor do I condone it. I personally don't care if people do it in a safe manner. And no, I do not want people doing it out in public. I think what the guy in the car did WAS wrong. I just think calling the cops on him is pretty lame, and especially bragging about it.

You're right--there is no way I'll be able to take care of everything myself, but if someone is dumb enough to light up a J in public he's going to be punished for his stupity. Go do that stuff at home where noone can see. Even if you don't have the time to process him at least take his stash and destroy it (as an officer, I'm saying). Since they were in a vehicle the effects could end up costing someone else when they get out on the road.

I don't think he was really bragging about it, but I do respect him for his decision to call the police. You feel one way and I feel another...and that's fine with me.

"I called the police today on someone because I saw them smoking pot in a vehicle in my restaurant parking lot, and I was worried he was going to drive and potentially hurt someone." Is VERY different then the reasons given in this thread.

There was more concern for a "broken window" then there was for the safety of any individuals.

I agree to disagree with you, but I still contend that the original poster did not make that call because he felt there was any actual danger. He didn't even know there was an open container until AFTER the police had been called. His turn at hall monitor came up, and he came here to tell of his tales.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

No, he just put it there so it would get warm and go flat.

Careful Steve, logic and common sense are the defense attny'S ENEMY

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Some officers will let you get a ride from a family member/friend/cab if you're not too drunk (read: BAC ~.08), so maybe some do say it.

Not where I live, it's a zero tolerance policy. They've been known to cease multimillion$$$ boats because they found a couple OZ's of pot on board at Port Canaveral.

It must have been pretty bad for awhile for them to adopt a zero-tolerance policy. Either that or too many officers were too forgiving.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

"You wanna go to jail or you wanna go home?"

Do they ask you that when you fail the FST?

FST? Firearm safety?

Field sobriety test. You go to jail if you take it and fail, they don't offer to take you/let you go home

Some officers will let you get a ride from a family member/friend/cab if you're not too drunk (read: BAC ~.08), so maybe some do say it.

Just to elaborate on how hardcore an issue DUI is here. If you are found sleeping off a good drunk in the median or side of road and the keys are still in the ignition and blow bad and/or fail/refuse the FST, you go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

BTW, it was a DUI defense attny driving drunk who kiilled my friends He'd even gotten 2 of our mutual friends off of charges for it in years past, they were conflicted somewhat after he Killed Rick because they had liked him so much before. They weren't emotionally certain if they should hate the guy or grieve for him too. I had no such conflict, I'd hit him so hard he'd grow old bouncin' if he'd lived through it!

 

[ProUser]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth
No kidding. Ever hear of the "broken windows" theory, prouser?

And I'm very aware of the "broken windows" theory. This is a very poor example to try and use that. Wouldn't a simple: "Excuse me guys, can you please take that elsewhere?" have worked? If they refused, THEN called the cops?

Seeing any crime or even one panhandler in an area can be severely detrimental to public opinion. It all starts with something small and snowballs from there.

So do you call the police EVERY time you see any crime? I agree there CAN be a snowball affect, but come on - that's absurd. By that logic I should have called the police 20 times on my way to work today. And I see at least 5 people a day on my commute panhandling - should I call the police on all of them? Please...

Wow at least you didnt stoop as low as thinking to mention traffic infractions JESUS.

OH great ask them to go elsewhere now that they are INTOXICATED!!!!!!!!!!!1

Please show me where he mentioned that the guy was "INTOXICATED!!!!!!!!!1" or in any way acting in a dangerous manner. Many fine restaurants have either some type of security, doorman, bouncer or designated person to handle any potential conflicts.

And please explain how I am stooping low. I am simply stating that IN MY OPINION someone driving 65 miles an hour in a 35 zone is MORE DANGEROUS to society then someone who hits a joint before dinner.

It's been a while since I turned on the news to hear "Guy smokes joint, goes into restaurant and blows away 10 people."

He mentioned that there was an open container in the car.

And? That doesn't mean he was intoxicated, nor that he was drinking and driving.

Have you ever been to a football game and drank a beer in the car while tailgating before the game? Have you never gone out with your friends to a club and mixed a 50/50 Rum & Coke in a plastic coke bottle and drank it real fast in the car before you went into the bars so you didn't have to pay $9 a drink?

I don't condone any substance + driving, please don't take it that way.

No, he just put it there so it would get warm and go flat.

Did you even read my post? Obviously not. Many people DO drive somewhere, PARK there car, and have a quick drink before WALKING into a new establishment. They were in a parking lot per the original post!

Examples: Sporting events, concerts, going clubbing, etc.

Did you even read the OP post? Obviously not. There were 2 men, so the passenger could have been the one drinking.


Of course ONE of the TWO men was drinking and I made that very apparent in my post. That doesn't mean that person was drinking and driving, or was about to drive.

As I said, I do not condone drinking and driving.

 

[clamum]

Burn rides rule

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth
No kidding. Ever hear of the "broken windows" theory, prouser?

And I'm very aware of the "broken windows" theory. This is a very poor example to try and use that. Wouldn't a simple: "Excuse me guys, can you please take that elsewhere?" have worked? If they refused, THEN called the cops?

Seeing any crime or even one panhandler in an area can be severely detrimental to public opinion. It all starts with something small and snowballs from there.

So do you call the police EVERY time you see any crime? I agree there CAN be a snowball affect, but come on - that's absurd. By that logic I should have called the police 20 times on my way to work today. And I see at least 5 people a day on my commute panhandling - should I call the police on all of them? Please...

Wow at least you didnt stoop as low as thinking to mention traffic infractions JESUS.

OH great ask them to go elsewhere now that they are INTOXICATED!!!!!!!!!!!1

Please show me where he mentioned that the guy was "INTOXICATED!!!!!!!!!1" or in any way acting in a dangerous manner. Many fine restaurants have either some type of security, doorman, bouncer or designated person to handle any potential conflicts.

And please explain how I am stooping low. I am simply stating that IN MY OPINION someone driving 65 miles an hour in a 35 zone is MORE DANGEROUS to society then someone who hits a joint before dinner.

It's been a while since I turned on the news to hear "Guy smokes joint, goes into restaurant and blows away 10 people."

He mentioned that there was an open container in the car.

And? That doesn't mean he was intoxicated, nor that he was drinking and driving.

Have you ever been to a football game and drank a beer in the car while tailgating before the game? Have you never gone out with your friends to a club and mixed a 50/50 Rum & Coke in a plastic coke bottle and drank it real fast in the car before you went into the bars so you didn't have to pay $9 a drink?

I don't condone any substance + driving, please don't take it that way.

No, he just put it there so it would get warm and go flat.

Did you even read my post? Obviously not. Many people DO drive somewhere, PARK there car, and have a quick drink before WALKING into a new establishment. They were in a parking lot per the original post!

Examples: Sporting events, concerts, going clubbing, etc.

Did you even read the OP post? Obviously not. There were 2 men, so the passenger could have been the one drinking.


Of course ONE of the TWO men was drinking and I made that very apparent in my post. That doesn't mean that person was drinking and driving, or was about to drive.

As I said, I do not condone drinking and driving.

Most states that I know of have an open container law, claiming it was only a passenger drinking would not be a defense.

Yes, I did read the original post, so you can stick your ASSumption back where it came from.

 

[ProUser]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth
No kidding. Ever hear of the "broken windows" theory, prouser?

And I'm very aware of the "broken windows" theory. This is a very poor example to try and use that. Wouldn't a simple: "Excuse me guys, can you please take that elsewhere?" have worked? If they refused, THEN called the cops?

Seeing any crime or even one panhandler in an area can be severely detrimental to public opinion. It all starts with something small and snowballs from there.

So do you call the police EVERY time you see any crime? I agree there CAN be a snowball affect, but come on - that's absurd. By that logic I should have called the police 20 times on my way to work today. And I see at least 5 people a day on my commute panhandling - should I call the police on all of them? Please...

Wow at least you didnt stoop as low as thinking to mention traffic infractions JESUS.

OH great ask them to go elsewhere now that they are INTOXICATED!!!!!!!!!!!1

Please show me where he mentioned that the guy was "INTOXICATED!!!!!!!!!1" or in any way acting in a dangerous manner. Many fine restaurants have either some type of security, doorman, bouncer or designated person to handle any potential conflicts.

And please explain how I am stooping low. I am simply stating that IN MY OPINION someone driving 65 miles an hour in a 35 zone is MORE DANGEROUS to society then someone who hits a joint before dinner.

It's been a while since I turned on the news to hear "Guy smokes joint, goes into restaurant and blows away 10 people."

He mentioned that there was an open container in the car.

And? That doesn't mean he was intoxicated, nor that he was drinking and driving.

Have you ever been to a football game and drank a beer in the car while tailgating before the game? Have you never gone out with your friends to a club and mixed a 50/50 Rum & Coke in a plastic coke bottle and drank it real fast in the car before you went into the bars so you didn't have to pay $9 a drink?

I don't condone any substance + driving, please don't take it that way.

No, he just put it there so it would get warm and go flat.

Did you even read my post? Obviously not. Many people DO drive somewhere, PARK there car, and have a quick drink before WALKING into a new establishment. They were in a parking lot per the original post!

Examples: Sporting events, concerts, going clubbing, etc.

Did you even read the OP post? Obviously not. There were 2 men, so the passenger could have been the one drinking.


Of course ONE of the TWO men was drinking and I made that very apparent in my post. That doesn't mean that person was drinking and driving, or was about to drive.

As I said, I do not condone drinking and driving.

Most states that I know of have an open container law, claiming it was only a passenger drinking would not be a defense.

Yes, I did read the original post, so you can stick your ASSumption back where it came from.

I never said it was legal. But there is a big difference between drinking, and then driving. And drinking in your car, and then walking the rest of the way.

And might I point out it was your original assumption that I was stating that neither of the two men were drinking. How on earth you could arrive such an assumption from my post is still beyond me...

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: stnicralisk

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: ProUser

Originally posted by: bradruth
No kidding. Ever hear of the "broken windows" theory, prouser?

And I'm very aware of the "broken windows" theory. This is a very poor example to try and use that. Wouldn't a simple: "Excuse me guys, can you please take that elsewhere?" have worked? If they refused, THEN called the cops?

Seeing any crime or even one panhandler in an area can be severely detrimental to public opinion. It all starts with something small and snowballs from there.

So do you call the police EVERY time you see any crime? I agree there CAN be a snowball affect, but come on - that's absurd. By that logic I should have called the police 20 times on my way to work today. And I see at least 5 people a day on my commute panhandling - should I call the police on all of them? Please...

Wow at least you didnt stoop as low as thinking to mention traffic infractions JESUS.

OH great ask them to go elsewhere now that they are INTOXICATED!!!!!!!!!!!1

Please show me where he mentioned that the guy was "INTOXICATED!!!!!!!!!1" or in any way acting in a dangerous manner. Many fine restaurants have either some type of security, doorman, bouncer or designated person to handle any potential conflicts.

And please explain how I am stooping low. I am simply stating that IN MY OPINION someone driving 65 miles an hour in a 35 zone is MORE DANGEROUS to society then someone who hits a joint before dinner.

It's been a while since I turned on the news to hear "Guy smokes joint, goes into restaurant and blows away 10 people."

He mentioned that there was an open container in the car.

And? That doesn't mean he was intoxicated, nor that he was drinking and driving.

Have you ever been to a football game and drank a beer in the car while tailgating before the game? Have you never gone out with your friends to a club and mixed a 50/50 Rum & Coke in a plastic coke bottle and drank it real fast in the car before you went into the bars so you didn't have to pay $9 a drink?

I don't condone any substance + driving, please don't take it that way.

No, he just put it there so it would get warm and go flat.

Did you even read my post? Obviously not. Many people DO drive somewhere, PARK there car, and have a quick drink before WALKING into a new establishment. They were in a parking lot per the original post!

Examples: Sporting events, concerts, going clubbing, etc.

Did you even read the OP post? Obviously not. There were 2 men, so the passenger could have been the one drinking.


Of course ONE of the TWO men was drinking and I made that very apparent in my post. That doesn't mean that person was drinking and driving, or was about to drive.

As I said, I do not condone drinking and driving.

Most states that I know of have an open container law, claiming it was only a passenger drinking would not be a defense.

Yes, I did read the original post, so you can stick your ASSumption back where it came from.

I never said it was legal. But there is a big difference between drinking, and then driving. And drinking in your car, and then walking the rest of the way.

And might I point out it was your original assumption that I was stating that neither of the two men were drinking. How on earth you could arrive such an assumption from my post is still beyond me...

Ah, but you assumed that one of the two men was drinking. He never said he saw them drinking. Perhaps the container was there from a previous occasion, or left there by a third party that was not in the vehicle.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

First, we're asked to presume the open container wasn't the driver's or that he hadn't drank enough/drank at all and give the benefit of a doubt to him that he wasn't under the influence or planning to drive while he was high on more than just ganja. Then he goes straight for the bar, I surmise I'm suppose to give him the benefit of a doubt again, and believe he just want's to order his food there and/or smoke a cig if it's legal in that state *it isn't here*. Based upon what I've read I will reiterate that I believe the guy was starting his usual weekend bender and headed to the bar to continue. I will also reiterate that while I may well be wrong the probability is low based on my life's experience. In the end I don't think Bill narked on anyone and served the public and his employer best through his actions. Opinions vary...that's mine.

 

[clamum]

If it's illegal then it must be bad.

 

[DannyLove]

Those guys should do their own business at their own home.

danny~!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: clamum
If it's illegal then it must be bad.

I was a rebel without a clue when I was your age too It's part of the process. Even the flower children before us both that protested the war so heavily are now the establishment they fought so hard against It's inevitable unless you are the rare person who can divest themselves of the rewards society offers for that conformity later or proffit off of that rebelious behavior as some do.

 

[stev0]

..

 

[stev0]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Sifl
mind your own business, pot isn't that bad.

This reminds me of the morning I witnessed a drug deal on the corner of my block. 2 kids on their way to school were waiting for a car to come by... they made the deal not 50 feet away from my driveway...

Do you want that happening where you live ?

it happenes everywhere, you just don't notice it.

Skoorb, pot wears off in like 2 hours..

less or more, depends on how much they smoked, what they smoked, how fast they smoked it... ect.

You must have never smoked any good $hit or the quality of the weed is less then when I smoked it 15 years ago.

time change... although i can not speak by experience, pot now is probably more potent than the pot that you smoked 15 years ago, what with genetically altered strains, crossbread strains, ect. if they had just burned a bowl of ak47/ww then i could see them not being sober for 2 hours... but they wouldn't be a problem in the resturant, i'm sure they would've ordered, ate and drank a few glasses of water/pop. stoners arn't usually known for being loud and obnoxious.

On second thought I can't believe that anybody here is condemning a guy for reporting on consumption of pot on his property. It's that simple.

his place of work, meaning he works there, not necssarly meaning that he owns said business

you want to smoke pot? fine then do it at home. NOT on a business's property. If you do then you should expect to get caught and maybe arrested.

whats the difference if they do it at home and then drive to the resturant or do it in the parking lot before hand... who knows maybe they did it at home too and just needed a bit more for dinner it's business either way, and potentially a lot of business if they have a case of the munchies why turn them away if they arn't causing trouble.

Way to cause trouble for a guy who did absolutely no harm to anyone.

quoted for truth.

TO everyone that is saying all this crap about oh pot is harmless this and that.

The guy had an open container in his car and was smoking pot.

My brother was paralyzed by someone who thought pot was harmless too.

Doing anything in your vehicle or on someone elses property makes it society's business - keep it at home pot heads.

i highly doubt the man that paralyzed your brother was only high. when someone is subjected to a test for pot use, it can trace back for months (depending on the type of test given.) just because they were stopped with para or weed (you didn't specify but i'm just saying..) dosen't mean that is what they were doing, there are a lot of other things they could have been smoking out of a pipe. were those people drunk too? i think you need to give a few more facts before you start making statements like that.. afaik pot use has cause 0 deaths in the US to date. pot dosen't impare your judgement so much that you can't drive... he was probably drunk, high on something other than pot or a combination of them all.

i smoke, everyday. the one thing that makes me mad, more than anything in the world is people spouting off random comments that about subjects they don't know jack about. if your going to start flaming something, know about it first.

as for tallbill, way to go, your really helping the crack down on serious crimes... of course, what goes around comes around. you'll get yours.

 

[DrPizza]

Thumbs up for TallBill.

I don't care what anyone does in the privacy of their own homes... but their rights end when it affects me. And, doing it in front of my business, where customers may decide that they didn't want to eat at a place with people who had just been smoking pot, would have an affect on me.

 

[Wallydraigle]

What's the matter with you people? The guy was smoking pot in a motor vehicle. When he got done smoking pot he was going to drive away impaired. The core issue here isn't what anybody thinks about pot as a recreational drug as he wasn't in his home where he wouldn't be a danger to anybody. He was in a public place, in a motor vehicle, smoking pot, and drinking. Are people really that dense that they can't (or won't) see the difference between smoking pot and smoking pot in a car? Jesus Christ:|

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Pot has the uncanny ability to make those that smoke it think they're immediately smarter than everyone else that doesn't smoke it, despite many past indications to the contrary.

 

[ProUser]

Originally posted by: lirion
What's the matter with you people? The guy was smoking pot in a motor vehicle. When he got done smoking pot he was going to drive away impaired. The core issue here isn't what anybody thinks about pot as a recreational drug as he wasn't in his home where he wouldn't be a danger to anybody. He was in a public place, in a motor vehicle, smoking pot, and drinking. Are people really that dense that they can't (or won't) see the difference between smoking pot and smoking pot in a car? Jesus Christ:|

I would you a similar question:

Are you that dense that you can't consider/take into fact the following:

1. The original poster said he called the police because he was 'tainting' the appeal of his restaurant, NOT because of any concern for public safety.
2. The person may have been smoking in his car, planning on WALKING somewhere for the rest of the evening.

I agree if the intention was to get high, and then drive - then bust him. But just because you smoke pot in a car does NOT mean you are going to then drive the car.

The whole point of this thread was not over the concern for the public. If it had been, I think you would see different responses.

 

[stev0]

Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Pot has the uncanny ability to make those that smoke it think they're immediately smarter than everyone else that doesn't smoke it, despite many past indications to the contrary.

smarter on this subject maybe, only because of experience though