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Hackintosh worth it these days?

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Hackintosh: Apple hardware :: used car w/no warranty : new car.

With a Hackintosh, there is a good chance you'll be ok if you know what you are doing (but stuff can still fall apart). With Apple hardware, you're buying something that's 100% guaranteed to work, but it costs a bit more.
 
To avoid the usual disinformation, (and tired car analogies, and un-backed up assertions) let's have a list of things that *work in real Mac* that don't on any Hackintosh.
 
Risk: Any OS updates or patches.
Mitigation: Wait until others have tried it, and hope you have a similar configuration and the same thing that happened to them happens to you. (ie if they report it works, you hope it works for you too.)

My time became too valuable. In spite of hacking 10.5, 10.6, and 10.7 at various times, I eventually went to an MBA11, MBA13, and iMac27/6970. It's wonderful, and they all work _perfectly_ with no uncertainty or worry on my part. And I decided that's worth something.
 
I can't give you a list, because everything works fine on my Hackintosh right now. I'm on a Z77X-UD5H, which is the go-to board for a Hackintosh at the moment. The last patch had me reinstalling my audio driver, but that's it.

I used Carbon Copy Cloner to keep a clone of my main drive. I can boot straight into it if anything goes wrong. I also keep a timemachine backup on my NAS (freeNAS.)

As I said earlier, the obvious choice for the OP is to add an SSD to his Mac Mini first and see if that is enough. If not, then the OP already has an SSD for a Hackintosh build.

In all honesty, if you are using your machine for work then just buy an iMac. I use mine for development and there is always that nagging thought in the back of my head that Apple can completely break hackintoshes someday. I'm looking to move my work to an iMac soon.
 
Thanks all for the amazing insight! For the immediate now I'm going to take the mini up to 8 gigs plus do the SSD upgrade, hopefully that will get over my sluggishness (slow rendering is fine and I can deal with that, it's just general operation has been slowing down). If that doesn't do the trick hackintosh it is.

Wonder if I should just run the system without a live WAN connection, I would only edit on the system anyway and that would minimize my fears of an update sneaking through or my wife clicking OK on an update.
 
To avoid the usual disinformation, (and tired car analogies, and un-backed up assertions) let's have a list of things that *work in real Mac* that don't on any Hackintosh.

Uh...mine doesn't have the Mac startup sound while booting? :biggrin:
 
To avoid the usual disinformation, (and tired car analogies, and un-backed up assertions) let's have a list of things that *work in real Mac* that don't on any Hackintosh.

The car analogy may not be perfect, but still, a Hackintosh requires work. I would never give it to a friend to use, as YOU become customer support when it breaks. For many people, the entire point of a Mac is to shove customer support to someone else so it saves you (the friend) a bunch of time from troubleshooting stuff over the phone/in person.
 
The car analogy may not be perfect, but still, a Hackintosh requires work. I would never give it to a friend to use, as YOU become customer support when it breaks. For many people, the entire point of a Mac is to shove customer support to someone else so it saves you (the friend) a bunch of time from troubleshooting stuff over the phone/in person.
It's just a difference in outlook. I think the term 'Hackintosh' baffles some people because they assume we're talking about some strange hybrid hardware that's a 'Hackintosh' and only that. But it's just a custom-built PC. There's an entire industry built around the fact that many of us (especially us tech-heads) would rather build a PC ourselves than buy a lesser system from Dell or HP, and yes even Apple. Their name on a case that contains the same parts (and actually most times lesser) and components that I can buy myself doesn't mean anything to me. It's why you can buy all the parts individually in the first place.

The *only* difference between building a PC for someone and building a 'Hackintosh' is that the later has at least one additional hard drive with MacOSX installed. That's it. No other difference. It's not some special breed of hardware. It's a PC with at least one copy of OSX installed on it. Most people tech people probably don't believe it's any big deal to build a custom HTPC or gaming PC for a friend, but then they panic at the sound of 'Hackintosh' when really it's the same thing with an additional OS installed.

Contrary to popular myth, OSX won't just break itself automagically every other minute because its running on non-Apple hardware. OSX is actually a much more resilient OS than even Windows- once it's installed and working, it pretty much works. It doesn't just "go bad" the way Windows sometimes can. As for doing any 'work' to keep my Hack running, I can't really recall any in years beyond what's been described for updates, and keeping clone backups, which really Carbon Copy Cloner does automatically.

So as for building for someone, the real work involved is in choosing the right hardware, and installing OSX properly. After that point, it's a total myth (mostly continued out of axe-grind agendas and FUD) that there's all kinds of 'work' involved to keep OSX running. There really isn't- if it works, it generally tends to stay working, if it's stable, it's stable.

I once built a Hack for a friend's company running Leopard- I came back and visited after two years and found that same machine STILL RUNNING, still doing it's job- and when I say still running, I mean it had not once been turned off in two years! That's how stable OSX actually is. By the way, though it's been turned off (and OS upgraded) since that time, that same machine is still going. As are dozens of others I've built for people.

As has been said, if you choose the right hardware (critical) there will be support for it from others using the same, and the procedure to update is the same as outlined. There isn't necessarily any other work involved unless for whatever reason someone is always tinkering and screwing with their system, or purposefully trying to break things to prove their own FUD to themselves.
 
Personally I think it's stupid to build a PC for a friend, for the same reason. I always tell them to just buy a name brand pre-assembled PC with a pre-installed OS, and if they have problems, to call the manufacturer.

Zaap, for hackintoshes, you keep saying "if this", "if that", and "I don't need this so it's OK". Basically you're just reinforcing the fact that hackintoshes and building of hackintoshes have lots of issues that people don't have to even think about when they get the real thing.

Hackintoshes are fine for hobbyists, but are a poor choice for most others.
 
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I wouldn't want you or anyone else that doesn't know what they're doing building me a PC. The very fact that you think it's voodoo super-complicated mysterious stuff tells me you wouldn't have a clue what you're doing.

I'm not sure when "I have no idea how to do something so I pretend it's too hard for *everyone* else to figure out too" became such a badge of honor to wear around like it means anything. It just means YOU don't know how to do something, and it's too complicated for YOU. That's it.

I wouldn't want someone that doesn't know what they're doing to work on my car or build an add-on to my house either. But that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of people that can do that or that it's stupid to hire them to do it.

And yes by the way Eug, since we're not talking about magic, there's a lot of IF's with those things too. IF someone knows what they're doing... IF someone isn't brainless/clueless/willfully ignorant and parades it around like a badge of honor... IF someone can use the right tools, parts, and follows valid instructions...
 
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OK, so we're all in agreement it's a horrible idea for most people, unless they want to be a tech support person for whomever they're building for (or themselves) forever. Let's move on, eh?

OP just wants his Mac mini to be faster, and an SSD and 16GB of RAM (I'd go to 16 if I'm going to bother to do it at all).
 
I wouldn't want you or anyone else that doesn't know what they're doing building me a PC. The very fact that you think it's voodoo super-complicated mysterious stuff tells me you wouldn't have a clue what you're doing.

I'm not sure when "I have no idea how to do something so I pretend it's too hard for *everyone* else to figure out too" became such a badge of honor to wear around like it means anything. It just means YOU don't know how to do something, and it's too complicated for YOU. That's it.

I wouldn't want someone that doesn't know what they're doing to work on my car or build an add-on to my house either. But that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of people that can do that or that it's stupid to hire them to do it.

And yes by the way Eug, since we're not talking about magic, there's a lot of IF's with those things too. IF someone knows what they're doing... IF someone isn't brainless/clueless/willfully ignorant and parades it around like a badge of honor... IF someone can use the right tools, parts, and follows valid instructions...
Stop with the obnoxiousness already.

Like several people in this thread, I have built lots of machines, including overclocked ones. Since the 1990s in fact. No, it's not very hard for hobbyists like us. Hell, I even have flashed PC video cards with hacked firmwares to get them working in Macs in OS X. Have you? However, that's just it, we're hobbyists, and sometimes we do things because we like doing these things.

Unfortunately, machines like these are often annoying to maintain. And like others in this thread, after a time, after the initial hobbyist interest, I decided stuff like this is too much of a hassle for a primary / production machine. Furthermore, some of us feel it's even more foolish to do it for other people, unless you like playing technical support person for those people. I've been down that road already.

For those who don't want to have to worry about these added support issues, the extra few hundred bux spent for a real Mac is easily worth it.


OP just wants his Mac mini to be faster, and an SSD and 16GB of RAM (I'd go to 16 if I'm going to bother to do it at all).
Yep, as I suggested earlier.

The only issue is that SSD replacement for that Mac mini isn't exactly easy according to iFixit. Still, it's a heluvalot less involved than building a new machine from scratch and dealing with all the support issues. It also looks easier than replacing a hard drive in an iBook, something I've done a few times.

However, if the OP is uncomfortable doing it himself, he could pay a repair shop to do it.
 
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Stop with the obnoxiousness already.
Why don't you stop with the obnoxious proclamations that only apply to your own fear/uncertainty/doubt? "It doesn't work because I say so..." Meanwhile, you admit you give sluff tech advice to your friends that's no different than what they could get from any minimum wage Best Buy employee. Nothing wrong with that per se, except you act like that attitude is authoritative to the subject.

Everything you stated is just your own preference, yet you announce it like it has to be the same for everyone.

I doubt it would occur to you, but if PCs you ever built were so troublesome and you spent so much time being others tech support- maybe you weren't qualified in the first place to attempt building for others? Again, nothing wrong with that- but it doesn't make you an authority on building PCs, citing failing at it like a badge of honor or not.

Zaap, stop trying to be antagonistic. This is a forum of friends
-ViRGE
 
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I think Zaap should start a PC company, because somehow he's able to build machines that never need support, something the likes of HP and Dell, and even Apple have not been able to do.
 
New Apple products would like to see:

1. A ~$900 Mac "semi-Pro" with single Haswell CPU, in mATX format with Thunderbolt, FW400, FW800, & USB 3.0 ports. And: video card slot compatibility of being end-user-exchangeable with most current generation PC video cards (nVidia or AMD), as long as it's PCIe 3.0 or better.
2. More monitor sizes to choose from, such as maybe a ~$400, 21.5" Apple IPS monitor with video camera (with a mini sliding cover), 2x USB 3.0 ports, Display Port, HDMI (with an audio pass-thru port), DVI & Thunderbolt ports.
3. OSX driver support for Hauppauge PCIe TV tuner cards. Maybe even offer an x86 version of the Apple TV operating system as an alternate boot O.S. included with the above mentioned ~$900 Mac "semi-Pro". Watch TV from off-air, via cable, or via internet.
 
I think Zaap should start a PC company, because somehow he's able to build machines that never need support, something the likes of HP and Dell, and even Apple have not been able to do.

Even excepting the inevitable DOA's, my Apples definitely need support. My HP's, not really though there are isolated incidents. Dell, sometimes (we're talking about equivalent-platform stuff here - Apple's 'Pro's' - ha - vs Precision & Z/Elite).

As an independent builder if you know what you're doing - let alone as a Tier 1, if you're building stuff which isn't engineered form-over-function to make designers jerk off to it, it's perfectly possible to build something that keeps on trucking for a long time without any need for support, especially if you're in completely system-benign environments where even a Mac can run reasonably well.

It's just that I've not yet met anyone like that apart from me and the team I employ(ed). But I'm sure they exist. Maybe Zaap is one of them, who knows. Thing is, a lot of born-again Applezombies don't realise this because they moved from a bottom-feeder piece of junk to an Apple, or if thy moved from a DIY to an iMac / Pro, they didn't know how to build a machine worth a damn in terms of stability.

It's just the software issues preventing us from deploying hackintosh, but some people are maybe OK with it to save a few bucks. I'd rather be working than troubleshooting something that can be avoided - which is, for example, why a lot of the Pros are in controlled environments and accessed remotely, so that we can reduce the chronic lack of reliability of the piles of crap.
 
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3. OSX driver support for Hauppauge PCIe TV tuner cards. Maybe even offer an x86 version of the Apple TV operating system as an alternate boot O.S. included with the above mentioned ~$900 Mac "semi-Pro". Watch TV from off-air, via cable, or via internet.

I had pretty good luck with Elgato hardware, in place of Hauppauge:

http://www.elgato.com/
 
I think Zaap should start a PC company, because somehow he's able to build machines that never need support, something the likes of HP and Dell, and even Apple have not been able to do.

No: you're probably misquoting what he's trying to say. With current generation Intel CPU's & chipsets, Hackintoshes still require some support, but any apparent glitches are easily solved, compared with what the situation was a few years ago.
Relatively speaking.
More or less, + or -.
If you really miss the Mac startup sound that much, then go ahead and spend the money & pay the Apple tax.
 
1. You're too poor for a Pro, and an iMac is too limiting (or again, you can't afford Thunderbolt accessories). Hackintoshing because you can't afford a Mini seems like a less viable option in that your budget is already at too low a level to come up with a decent computer, period.

Eh?
We're surely not talking about a dual for any serious work, and Mac Mini with a 2.3GHz quad, 4GB, and 1TB 5400 RPM HDD is $799. ($899 for the 2.6GHz quad)


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i just intsalled 10.8.3 on an hp laptop and the process couldn't have been easier. everything is running extremely smoothly and i'm so glad that i spent $550 on a laptop instead of $1600+ on the equivalent retina one, although the retina ones are freaking badass.

I think the laptop situation is probably the only good reason to go Hackintosh.

You can actually save a significant sum at the expense of a couple of minor issues. This all is assuming that the touchpad feels like a Mac touchpad. Because IMHO the number one advantage a Macbook has over any Windows laptop I've tried is that perfect Touchpad.

To me for most everyday uses like browsing, playing media etc. both Windows 7/8 and Mac OS X are pretty much even overall. Windows takes a bit longer to set up in the beginning but after that they are the experience - except for that touchpad.

I would even deal with the minor hassles of Hackintosh to get OS X on this Windows laptop if it made the Trackpad respond correctly.

This Synaptics stuff isn't cutting it. I know they tried to emulate OS X touchpad and gesture behavior but it's not even close. The 2-Finger scroll is not even consistent.
 
Eh?
We're surely not talking about a dual for any serious work, and Mac Mini with a 2.3GHz quad, 4GB, and 1TB 5400 RPM HDD is $799. ($899 for the 2.6GHz quad)


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If one lives near a microcenter, you can even go to an i7 3770K for an extra $30.
http://www.microcenter.com/product/388575/Core_i7_3770K_35GHz_Socket_LGA_1155_Boxed_Processor

So just squeaking in at around $800 for an i7 system capable of running any major OS including OSX, 16GB of RAM, SSD + 2TB of storage and plenty of expansion. The parts in that list are all pretty top shelf so nothing's going to automagically fail on you unless you're one of the PEBCAK crowd.

All I'll add is: If someone wants favorable results and doesn't know how to achieve that themselves with all the vast array of high quality hardware that's available, seek out people that actually know what they are doing and take the tech-pessimists with a grain of salt.
 
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I think the laptop situation is probably the only good reason to go Hackintosh.

You can actually save a significant sum at the expense of a couple of minor issues. This all is assuming that the touchpad feels like a Mac touchpad. Because IMHO the number one advantage a Macbook has over any Windows laptop I've tried is that perfect Touchpad.

To me for most everyday uses like browsing, playing media etc. both Windows 7/8 and Mac OS X are pretty much even overall. Windows takes a bit longer to set up in the beginning but after that they are the experience - except for that touchpad.

I would even deal with the minor hassles of Hackintosh to get OS X on this Windows laptop if it made the Trackpad respond correctly.

This Synaptics stuff isn't cutting it. I know they tried to emulate OS X touchpad and gesture behavior but it's not even close. The 2-Finger scroll is not even consistent.
While I've not tried all laptops out there, I have never found a non-Apple trackpad that feels like the Apple trackpad. In fact, 9 times out of 10, it's not even close.

Indeed, for that reason, if I were forced to do a hackintosh, the only one that would make the least bit of sense to me would NOT be a laptop.

As for desktops, the other issue that people have failed to mention is the fact that hackintoshes are not worth much on the used market. Sure, while the up front cost of hackintoshes can be cheaper (assuming your time is worth nothing), when it comes time to actually sell the thing, you can actually get decent money for a used Mac. For consumer Macs, that difference in used sales price will make up for the difference in up front cost. The going rate for my current i7 27" iMac is still over $1000 on the used market, and the thing is 3 years old.
 
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While I've not tried all laptops out there, I have never found a non-Apple trackpad that feels like the Apple trackpad. In fact, 9 times out of 10, it's not even close.

Indeed, for that reason, if I were forced to do a hackintosh, the only one that would make the least bit of sense to me would NOT be a laptop.

As for desktops, the other issue that people have failed to mention is the fact that hackintoshes are not worth much on the used market. Sure, while the up front cost of hackintoshes can be cheaper (assuming your time is worth nothing), when it comes time to actually sell the thing, you can actually get decent money for a used Mac. For consumer Macs, that difference in used sales price will make up for the difference in up front cost. The going rate for my current i7 27" iMac is still over $1000 on the used market, and the thing is 3 years old.

Yeah. They do hold a good value. I was surprised to get $250 on ebay for my late 2007 13" MacBook. It was a 2Ghz C2D with SL. Hasn't aged well!
 
Around here a 2007 C2D 2 GHz MacBook would get you more than $300 if it is in good condition.
 
Around here a 2007 C2D 2 GHz MacBook would get you more than $300 if it is in good condition.

It was $270. The battery was dead. Would say Okay condition.

Thing was a heap of junk. Sent in three times. Have moved away from Apple because of it.
 
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