Hackintosh Rig with 10.5.3

[slugg]

OK so... i have downloaded the MacOSXUpd10.5.4.dmg file. Again, I'm running an old, modified kernel... Should i just mount the disk image and install the update? No other steps needed?

 

[KeypoX]

hey kaido, do you know why my mp3 player and flash drives will not mount? All my other usb devices work, such as printer, mouse keyboard. But for some reason these things wont mount...

Well after restart usb drive will mount but my damn mp3 still wont...

EdIt 2: after restart into vista it seems there is a problem with my mp3 player

Edit 3: Learned something new today, my new retractable usb cord does not work with my mp3 player, it probably will not work with anything .

 

[QurazyQuisp]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: QurazyQuisp

Originally posted by: slugg
I'm running 10.5.3 too

Any news on 10.5.4 with a non-vanilla kernel?

I installed 10.5.4 on my computer, however, I did not use this guide. I have a triple boot of 10.5.4, Ubuntu and Windows Vista x64.

It seems to work very well, I have had no issues with it. Although my setup seems to work quite well with everything, once I got 10.5.2 installed, I haven't had any hardware issues or anything.

What do you use to triple-boot with? EasyBCD or a bootloader? Or just separate drives?

I have separate drives, however, I used EasyBCD as it's a lot easier to switch between OSes than selecting boot drives, atleast with my motherboard.

 

[randomlinh]

the mobo in the OP is the first version... the v2.0 is scant it seems. Is there going to be a July update, hehe. I really want to try this, but I'm just too weary of it breaking Aperture, or it not updating properly.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: randomlinh
the mobo in the OP is the first version... the v2.0 is scant it seems. Is there going to be a July update, hehe. I really want to try this, but I'm just too weary of it breaking Aperture, or it not updating properly.

As far as I can tell, the only difference between the 1.0 and 2.0 is the extra 2 USB ports. Maybe someone on Insanely can confirm this.

Yup, I'm working on a July update with a Vanilla kernel. My wife uses Aperture and shoots exclusively in RAW format now and is loving her new Hackintosh

I wouldn't count on updates, you never know what will happen in the future. If you want Mac updates for sure, get a Mac. If you don't mind tinkering, join our little club

 

[Zaap]

I did the 10.5.4 update directly from software update on my EP35-DS4. (Along with Quicktime, Java, and iTunes, Front Row updates)

Not a problem- works perfectly so long as you're updating 10.5.3 and vanilla kernel.

 

[Tyranicus]

Originally posted by: Zaap
I did the 10.5.4 update directly from software update on my EP35-DS4. (Along with Quicktime, Java, and iTunes, Front Row updates)

Not a problem- works perfectly so long as you're updating 10.5.3 and vanilla kernel.

That's what they said about 10.5.3, and it ended up bricking my Hackintosh. I'm going to wait for the Kalyway update just to be safe.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Tyranicus

Originally posted by: Zaap
I did the 10.5.4 update directly from software update on my EP35-DS4. (Along with Quicktime, Java, and iTunes, Front Row updates)

Not a problem- works perfectly so long as you're updating 10.5.3 and vanilla kernel.

That's what they said about 10.5.3, and it ended up bricking my Hackintosh. I'm going to wait for the Kalyway update just to be safe.

10.5.3 is not safe to download

10.5.4 is only safe to download IF you have a Vanilla kernel

 

[Tyranicus]

I do have a vanilla kernel, but I read multiple reports that claimed 10.5.3 worked with a vanilla kernel back when it first came out.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Tyranicus
I do have a vanilla kernel, but I read multiple reports that claimed 10.5.3 worked with a vanilla kernel back when it first came out.

FWIW 10.5.3 from Apple Update breaks the system and 10.5.4 only works if you have a Vanilla kernel. As always, I advise having a full system backup using SuperDuper as well as a Time Machine backup (force backup right before updating). That way if it does hose your system, you can restore easily...

 

[Zaap]

Yeah, 10.5.3 was a different story as far as using the Apple Update. But I don't blame anyone for not rushing to update right away- I waited a while to be sure before updating to 10.5.3 and 10.5.4.

Along with a backup like Kaido says, I also recommend a complete backup installation of OSX running on a separate hard drive if you can swing it.

I first test updates and such on my backup install, not risking my main install. Once I get things working on the backup install, I do the same on the main install. This way, you never risk the chance of downtime on the main install. Plus if something were ever to happen, you can use your backup install to quickly retrieve any critical data from the borked main install. Once again, just follow a few specific safeguards and your Hack will just keep right on humming along.

 

[Zaap]

oops. dual post

 

[KeypoX]

Originally posted by: KeypoX
hey kaido, do you know why my mp3 player and flash drives will not mount? All my other usb devices work, such as printer, mouse keyboard. But for some reason these things wont mount...

Well after restart usb drive will mount but my damn mp3 still wont...

EdIt 2: after restart into vista it seems there is a problem with my mp3 player

Edit 3: Learned something new today, my new retractable usb cord does not work with my mp3 player, it probably will not work with anything .

nevermind the usb mounting is indeed broke, details and solution outlined here. http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=95789

The problem is the kernel and the system.kext versions do not match. Hopefully after i fix it it doesnt break other things

Ok that solution seems to work beatifically

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Zaap
Yeah, 10.5.3 was a different story as far as using the Apple Update. But I don't blame anyone for not rushing to update right away- I waited a while to be sure before updating to 10.5.3 and 10.5.4.

Along with a backup like Kaido says, I also recommend a complete backup installation of OSX running on a separate hard drive if you can swing it.

I first test updates and such on my backup install, not risking my main install. Once I get things working on the backup install, I do the same on the main install. This way, you never risk the chance of downtime on the main install. Plus if something were ever to happen, you can use your backup install to quickly retrieve any critical data from the borked main install. Once again, just follow a few specific safeguards and your Hack will just keep right on humming along.

Exactly...a 500gb drive is like $70 nowadays, so you can have a sandbox for cheap to safeguard things. I use a combination of SuperDuper and Time Machine for my backups, works great!

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: KeypoX

Originally posted by: KeypoX
hey kaido, do you know why my mp3 player and flash drives will not mount? All my other usb devices work, such as printer, mouse keyboard. But for some reason these things wont mount...

Well after restart usb drive will mount but my damn mp3 still wont...

EdIt 2: after restart into vista it seems there is a problem with my mp3 player

Edit 3: Learned something new today, my new retractable usb cord does not work with my mp3 player, it probably will not work with anything .

nevermind the usb mounting is indeed broke, details and solution outlined here. http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=95789

The problem is the kernel and the system.kext versions do not match. Hopefully after i fix it it doesnt break other things

Ok that solution seems to work beatifically

Was this using my guide, copying all of the kexts from 10.5.2 to 10.5.3, or a different method?

 

[Tyranicus]

Well, I gathered up the courage to do it, and you guys were right. 10.5.4 installed via Software Update without a hitch.

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Tyranicus
Well, I gathered up the courage to do it, and you guys were right. 10.5.4 installed via Software Update without a hitch.

Woot! Time to edit that sig of yours now

 

[KeypoX]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: KeypoX

Originally posted by: KeypoX
hey kaido, do you know why my mp3 player and flash drives will not mount? All my other usb devices work, such as printer, mouse keyboard. But for some reason these things wont mount...

Well after restart usb drive will mount but my damn mp3 still wont...

EdIt 2: after restart into vista it seems there is a problem with my mp3 player

Edit 3: Learned something new today, my new retractable usb cord does not work with my mp3 player, it probably will not work with anything .

nevermind the usb mounting is indeed broke, details and solution outlined here. http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=95789

The problem is the kernel and the system.kext versions do not match. Hopefully after i fix it it doesnt break other things

Ok that solution seems to work beatifically

Was this using my guide, copying all of the kexts from 10.5.2 to 10.5.3, or a different method?

right i used your guide to install up to 10.5.3 but it is kalyways disk that creates the error, thus...

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: KeypoX
right i used your guide to install up to 10.5.3 but it is kalyways disk that creates the error, thus...

Ahh, gotcha. I am working on figuring out which kexts AHCI requires. Once I get that done, I'll release the 10.5.4 update guide - much simpler

 

[scootermaster]

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: KeypoX
right i used your guide to install up to 10.5.3 but it is kalyways disk that creates the error, thus...

Ahh, gotcha. I am working on figuring out which kexts AHCI requires. Once I get that done, I'll release the 10.5.4 update guide - much simpler

I'm still confused as to what, like, qualifies as a "vanilla" kernel and stuff. I figured vanilla just meant the actual OS X install DVD.

My question, then, is OS included, can you build a reasonable hackintosh for, say, $500? The only other requirement is a CUDA-enabled GPU (i.e. a 8800 or something similar).

I was thinking about trying to cannibalize my old Inspiron 4600 for parts, but it only has AGP, so no go on the CUDA, and I don't see it making much sense trying to buy a new mobo for a Pentium 4 2.4 ghz (which is the only part I could re-use, other than the harddrive, and I guess DDR-800 ram if I really wanted to).

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: scootermaster

Originally posted by: Kaido

Originally posted by: KeypoX
right i used your guide to install up to 10.5.3 but it is kalyways disk that creates the error, thus...

Ahh, gotcha. I am working on figuring out which kexts AHCI requires. Once I get that done, I'll release the 10.5.4 update guide - much simpler

I'm still confused as to what, like, qualifies as a "vanilla" kernel and stuff. I figured vanilla just meant the actual OS X install DVD.

My question, then, is OS included, can you build a reasonable hackintosh for, say, $500? The only other requirement is a CUDA-enabled GPU (i.e. a 8800 or something similar).

I was thinking about trying to cannibalize my old Inspiron 4600 for parts, but it only has AGP, so no go on the CUDA, and I don't see it making much sense trying to buy a new mobo for a Pentium 4 2.4 ghz (which is the only part I could re-use, other than the harddrive, and I guess DDR-800 ram if I really wanted to).

Vanilla kernel means Apple's kernel. On some boards, you need a different kernel because the stock (Vanilla) kernel doesn't work. By default, Kalyway 10.5.2 installs the Sleep kernel, which fixes sleep (and restart/shutdown) on most systems. With some help, I've put together a way to fix those on the DS3L while using the Vanilla kernel. That means we can download 10.5.4 from Apple update (although not ALL updates; from 10.5.2 to 10.5.3 changes the kernel among other things and messes up the system).

 

[DW in UT]

Originally posted by: scootermaster
My question, then, is OS included, can you build a reasonable hackintosh for, say, $500?

For the cheapest attempt, check your current inventory of parts. I had a cheap computer I ordered from Fry's during a sale, just meant to be an extra and was just gathering dust for more than a year. Checked the specs, and the motherboard looked compatible. Ordered a cheap 7300 graphics card recommended here, and the Kalyway disk installed 10.5.2 first try.

Costs:

computer from Frys: $200 + shipping (probably not still available, but other barebones boxes come and go)
video card from Newegg: $30 free shipping
OSX 10.5 "Family Pack" disc from Ebay $100 (just for my conscience)

Total investment= $ 350 for a basic but functioning system (3.2 ghz processor, dvd and 160 gig hd included)


For someone seeking the cheapest possible entry into the realm, other message boards have touted the new Intel mini itx motherboard which comes with a 1.6 Atom processor for $85. On-board graphics (same chip as the Mac Mini) and ethernet work ok , so add a case, memory, hd and dvd (ata or ide both work for this board) and one could easily get in the game for $250 with all new parts. Even less with some used parts.

 

[Zaap]

I recently built the following $500 range system:

1. 
   1. GIGABYTE GA-G31M-S2L LGA 775 Intel G31 $60
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128078
   (Onboard VGA does not support QE/CI, IE:useless)
   
   2. Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 $120
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819115032
   
   3. G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 $80
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820231122
   
   4. ZOTAC ZT-73TEG2P-HSL GeForce 7300GT 256MB $30
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814500033
   
   5. Western Digital Caviar SE WD5000AAJB 500GB $80
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822136110
   
   6. LITE-ON Black 20X DVD burner $ 25
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16827106263
   
   7. nMEDIAPC ZE-C68 All-in-one USB 2.0 Card Reader $13*
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820132016
   
   8. SYBA PCI to Firewire 1394a $6*
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16815124032
   
   9. Nippon Labs 4-Pin PC power to 2 x SATA Converter $2
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16812816015
   (The case below only has 1 SATA power connector from the PSU)
   
   10. APEVIA X-QPACK-NW-BK + 420w PSU $80
   http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811144162
   
   Subtotal comes to $490.80
   
   *Firewire card, and USB card reader optional.

I chose a mATX box-style case that makes for a very unique looking machine. It's a bit more compact compared to the usual tower style case, but even so has room for 4 add on cards (2 used by video and Firewire in this build), 2 hard drives, (3 if you don't install a card reader) and 2 optical drives.

I'm also booting XP x64 and PCLinuxOS 2007.

In my real-world "used it for a week at work" test, it handily outperformed a 1x quad Xeon MacPro. It certainly trounces anything from Apple you'll get anywhere near this price range.

A few photos of the Hack Box:

Finished System, minus cover

Front view + CPU and HD temp panel

Handle up, stood on end

First boot after Leo4Allv3 install



The simple, flawless 20 minute install method, courtesy of sWORDs over on Insanelymac, and modified by me for this particular board:

1. 1. Get Leo4Allv3, kexthelper, EFI studio, PowerOff bug fix Kalyway 10.5.3 update.
   
   2. Install Leo4Allv3- select only intel ICH drivers, AppleAzalia audio + MacPro and 800 memory speed for SMBios- use default kernel (will be replaced by 9.3 vanilla after update). LAN works OOB.
   
   3. Boot into Leopard after install, run EFI studio- add your graphic card, write to boot.plist.
   
   4. Install Kalyway Update Combo 10.5.3- don't reboot! Install Kalyway 10.5.3 kernel and select Vanilla 9.3- then reboot. (If you don't have both files, do not install the Kalyway Update Combo!) At next Darwin prompt, type: update -v
   
   5. Install PowerOff bug fix- reboot
   
   6. Enjoy a fully working, flawless 10.5.3 install without having touched the terminal or directly messed with any kext files OR:
   
   7. Connect to the internet, use system update to update to 10.5.4 (it will then reboot twice).
   
   8. Enjoy a fully working, flawless 10.5.4 install without having touched the terminal or directly messed with any kext file.

EDIT: use AppleAzalia audio in step 2.

 

[scootermaster]

Originally posted by: DW in UT

Originally posted by: scootermaster
My question, then, is OS included, can you build a reasonable hackintosh for, say, $500?

For the cheapest attempt, check your current inventory of parts. I had a cheap computer I ordered from Fry's during a sale, just meant to be an extra and was just gathering dust for more than a year. Checked the specs, and the motherboard looked compatible. Ordered a cheap 7300 graphics card recommended here, and the Kalyway disk installed 10.5.2 first try.

Costs:

computer from Frys: $200 + shipping (probably not still available, but other barebones boxes come and go)
video card from Newegg: $30 free shipping
OSX 10.5 "Family Pack" disc from Ebay $100 (just for my conscience)

Total investment= $ 350 for a basic but functioning system (3.2 ghz processor, dvd and 160 gig hd included)


For someone seeking the cheapest possible entry into the realm, other message boards have touted the new Intel mini itx motherboard which comes with a 1.6 Atom processor for $85. On-board graphics (same chip as the Mac Mini) and ethernet work ok , so add a case, memory, hd and dvd (ata or ide both work for this board) and one could easily get in the game for $250 with all new parts. Even less with some used parts.

Well, the problem is that the Dell Inspiron 4600 Desktop I have probably isn't a good candidate for poaching.

It has a P4 2.4 ghz, which I guess is fine, but the problem is the mobo is AGP only. One of the reasons I want this is to do some CUDA programming. Which means I need a PCIe graphics card. So the mobo is out.

In that case, it doesn't make sense to buy a mobo that'd support the P4, no matter how much it cost (maybe if it was free, but still....). So the processor is out. The graphics card (an ATI All-in-One 9000) is by definition, out. The case isn't that great to begin with, and since it's a dell, it's likely out too. I have a gig of Corsair Value DDR ram in there, but it's PC-3200, I believe, so I'd probably want something faster/newer. So that's out too.

I do have a brand-spankin' new WD 640 gig SATA drive. So I could use that (of course, it's in an SATA enclosure -- a nice Macally one) and I don't have any other SATA drives, but I guess that's okay. And I have an IDE Lite-On DVD burner I could use.

But I priced something out on Newegg, and before taxes and after rebate, I could do what something, I think, for about $400, minus the OS: Penryn 2.5, that gigabyte board everyone seems to love, 2 gigs of G.skill DDR-1066, a cheap Rosewill case, snd the cheapest geForce 8800 I could find. (I'd actually do more research on the graphics card, since I don't EVER game, and only want it for CUDA, so I'd prefer something quiet and not power hungry).

So I guess that's not too bad. I just have to decide if it's worth it to tide me over until I get a new Macbook pro. I want to build a home server/HTPC/emulation box and go with a laptop/home server setup, so perhaps I could build a hackintosh in the meantime, with the end goal of throwing it in an HTPC case. (That's why I got the WD drive, for example, since I know it runs quiet and cool).


So many decisions!

 

[Kaido]

Originally posted by: Zaap
I recently built the following $500 range system:

Right on dude :thumbsup: