[H] GTX 780 Ti vs. R9 290X 4K Gaming

[GaiaHunter]

No overclocking needed, if you REALLY don't want to.
It's still easily faster overall.
That's not to say NV is perfect. There's the price, and there's some work to be done on SLI/4K.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-ti-sli-review/63122.html

Is that silent or uber mode?

 

[f1sherman]

You mean... are they flipping the switch and burning those 290X's at 95+ Celsius, while keeping 780 Ti at 82C?

I don't know tbh.

My guess would be - it's an open test bed and there is no difference between the silent and uber.

 

[GaiaHunter]

You mean... are they flipping the switch and burning those 290X's at 95+ Celsius, while keeping 780 Ti at 82C?

I don't know tbh.

My guess would be - it's an open test bed and there is no difference between the silent and uber.

Both the silent and the uber will run at 95*C.

I don't see why open test bed will beat having a fan pumping air in the cards.

 

[f1sherman]

Both the silent and the uber will run at 95*C.

I don't see why open test bed will beat having a fan pumping air in the cards.

Yes, you're right. Fan profile, RPM/acoustics is the difference between the two.

Open test bed will easily defeat 95% of enclosed casings.
Vs large, properly ventilated case; it's not nearly as safe win for enclosed case as some of the people here think.

 

[Pandora's Box]

Well the link you gave went straight to his profile, and not his actual post..

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1040371170&postcount=8

 

[Vesku]

Yeah, the 3rd party special editions will go a long way towards addressing the issues. But those cards aren't really usable in CFX, based on my experience - open air cards are exceptionally difficult to sandwich in mGPU mode while maintaining decent temps unless you're using something like a test bench. It will be downright impossible to sandwich open air cards in mGPU with the 290 series of cards based on their heat output in most chassis'.

AMD went bridge-less for R9-290(X) crossfire so some motherboards will have decently positioned PCIe slots for non-blower configurations.

 

[Cloudfire777]

The hot topic of the forum (780/ti and 290/x).

Crysis 3
The R9 290X started to step forward (5.5%) above the GTX 780 Ti in performance.

Far Cry 3
The Radeon R9 290X is 8% faster than the GeForce GTX 780 Ti.

Tomb Raider
When the settings are cranked up, the R9 290X takes the lead by a small 2.4%.

Metro Last Light
We see the GTX 780 Ti being 9.4% faster. This was the only time we saw the 780 Ti being that much faster than the R9 290X at this resolution.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti_vs_radeon_r9_290x_4k_gaming

Conclusion: Stop posting HardOCP reviews. They are AMD biased as hell and is posting incorrect data in just about any review that put AMD and Nvidia cards together.


Any source to back up your claims or are you trying to get a flame war to start?

-Rvenger

 

[wand3r3r]

780 TI SLI vs. 290x CROSSFIRE

Crysis 3
The R9 290X started to step forward (5.5%) above the GTX 780 Ti in performance.

Far Cry 3
The Radeon R9 290X is 8% faster than the GeForce GTX 780 Ti.

Tomb Raider
When the settings are cranked up, the R9 290X takes the lead by a small 2.4%.

Metro Last Light
We see the GTX 780 Ti being 9.4% faster. This was the only time we saw the 780 Ti being that much faster than the R9 290X at this resolution.



http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti_vs_radeon_r9_290x_4k_gaming


Interesting that it's pretty much the reverse of the 1600p where the 780 ti was barely ahead, in 4k it's barely behind.

SINGLE CARD

Crysis 3
780 ti 40.9 vs. 41.6 290x
Tie

Far Cry 3
The GTX 780 Ti is 8% faster than the R9 290X.

Tomb Raider
The R9 290X is faster than the GTX 780 Ti by almost 4%.

Metro Last Light
The GTX 780 Ti is 7% faster than the R9 290X.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/07/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_ti_video_card_review

In my opinion they basically trade blows. AT review shows them tied in the graphs, despite ignoring it in the text. I don't see anything worth the $150. Then again I don't see anything for the $150/300 over the 290.

 

[chimaxi83]

Conclusion: Stop posting HardOCP reviews. They are AMD biased as hell.

What a joke of a cherrypicked post, good work. The green team here praised H when Nvidia "felt smoother". Hypocrites.


Enough of the attacks, please.

-Rvenger

 

[wand3r3r]

Conclusion: Stop posting HardOCP reviews. They are AMD biased as hell and is posting incorrect data in just about any review that put AMD and Nvidia cards together.

Cool story bro, why didn't you stick to a single review instead of cherry picking the best diagrams across several sites which best "show" your point? Who's Biased?

 

[amenx]

Dont know why such a big deal is being made out of 4k benches at this point in time . But since some people seem very keen on them...

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_780_ti_windforce_3x_review,16.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_780_ti_windforce_3x_review,17.html

Also imo the dust is still settling on the 290/x and 780ti cards with them still new. I would be more interested in how benches look 2 or 3 months from now with better driver optimizations. New games with new cards, drivers (ie, BF4) imo are highly volatile and can vary dramatically with time, esp on the multi-GPU front.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

$8000 for 40 fps and no GSync, sign me the **** up!

 

[Vesku]

Dont know why such a big deal is being made out of 4k benches at this point in time . But since some people seem very keen on them...

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_780_ti_windforce_3x_review,16.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_780_ti_windforce_3x_review,17.html

Also imo the dust is still settling on the 290/x and 780ti cards with them still new. I would be more interested in how benches look 2 or 3 months from now with better driver optimizations. New games with new cards, drivers (ie, BF4) imo are highly volatile and can vary dramatically with time, esp on the multi-GPU front.

GURU3D R9-290X review (where the numbers come from for the 780 Ti 4K comparison)

"For the remainder of the tests we use the card's default settings, BIOS 1 quiet mode."

 

[Teizo]

Dont know why such a big deal is being made out of 4k benches at this point in time

Yes you do, or you should at least. Just how the game is played. Kinda like when Nvidia released the 6800 Ultra with Pixel Shader 3.0. It was a big deal because it offered compatibility with future games and was an improvement over 2.0b...even though only Far Cry was the only game that had it via patch.

In other words....it wasn't really a big deal. But it was a feature that the other team didn't have...so it was made out to be.

Same scenario here.

GURU3D R9-290X review (where the numbers come from for the 780 Ti 4K comparison)

"For the remainder of the tests we use the card's default settings, BIOS 1 quiet mode."

In other words, he used stock vs stock? How dare Hilbert do such a thing in an attempt to publish a non-biased review. Maybe reviewers should enable a bios hack that allows the 780Ti to heat up to 94C to allow the cards to compete on more equal terms...or maybe they should just leave them alone and test them as they are presented out of the box rather than try to cater to people who will always no matter what find something to gripe about when their card is not on top.

 

[wand3r3r]

Same scenario here.

Apply your hypothesis to yourself alone, don't be dragging other posters into your green vs. red scheme.

I am very interested in the high end GPUs, and 4k. Apparently you have decided nobody else is which is kind of strange.

Ironic you claim "others" are doing something, then you proceed to deem the quiet bios the only correct choice. I wonder why.


Personal attacks are not permitted here, you should know this by now.

-Rvenger

 

[Vesku]

In other words, he used stock vs stock?

I think "uber" mode would be relevant for those interested in 4K gaming. It is a stock fully warrantied setting available.

 

[BrentJ]

I think "uber" mode would be relevant for those interested in 4K gaming. It is a stock fully warrantied setting available.

Read the section titled: "R9 290X Quiet Mode versus Uber Mode Testing"

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti_vs_radeon_r9_290x_4k_gaming/7

 

[toyota]

f1sherman:


Oh really? [H] tests are now unrealistic?
Would that be with just the 780Ti overclocked or both?
Hmm $1400 worth of NV Ti cards V $1100 worth of R9 xFire.
6GB of VRAM V 8GB on the R9 setup.
And you are hoping some overclocking will help it squeeze past the xfire solution?
I don't see that proposition as very attractive.

the 780 ti overclocks twice as good as the 290x

 

[Teizo]

Apply your hypothesis to yourself alone, don't be dragging other posters into your green vs. red scheme.

I am very interested in the high end GPUs, and 4k. Apparently you have decided nobody else is which is kind of strange.

Ironic you claim "others" are doing something, then you proceed to deem the quiet bios the only correct choice. I wonder why.

I didn't say the quiet bios is the only choice. That is you putting words in my mouth. I was referring to the fact that multiple reviewers see it fit that out of the box vs out of the box (ie quiet mode for the 290X) is the best way to compare cards. It has nothing to do with Green vs Red. Hell, every time AMD seemingly out performs Nvidia on something, or something possibly negative for Nvidia shows up...you are all over it. Nvidia beat those earning reports you were so concerned with, btw.

And, I didn't say you weren't allowed to be interested in it, but it is funny that your interest in it revolves around the 290X out performing the 780 Ti. Your entire OP highlights the supposed advantage it has over the Ti. Nice, cute little game you are trying to play. It is completely transparent though.



Member callouts will not be tolerated, I suggest you stop this nonsense.

-Rvenger

 

[wand3r3r]

Yes you do, or you should at least. Just how the game is played. Kinda like when Nvidia released the 6800 Ultra with Pixel Shader 3.0. It was a big deal because it offered compatibility with future games and was an improvement over 2.0b...even though only Far Cry was the only game that had it via patch.

In other words....it wasn't really a big deal. But it was a feature that the other team didn't have...so it was made out to be.

Same scenario here.


In other words, he used stock vs stock? How dare Hilbert do such a thing in an attempt to publish a non-biased review. Maybe reviewers should enable a bios hack that allows the 780Ti to heat up to 94C to allow the cards to compete on more equal terms...or maybe they should just leave them alone and test them as they are presented out of the box rather than try to cater to people who will always no matter what find something to gripe about when their card is not on top.

I didn't say the quiet bios is the only choice. That is you putting words in my mouth. I was referring to the fact that multiple reviewers see it fit that out of the box vs out of the box (ie quiet mode for the 290X) is the best way to compare cards. It has nothing to do with Green vs Red. Hell, every time AMD seemingly out performs Nvidia on something, or something possibly negative for Nvidia shows up...you are all over it. Nvidia beat those earning reports you were so concerned with, btw.

And, I didn't say you weren't allowed to be interested in it, but it is funny that your interest in it revolves around the 290X out performing the 780 Ti. Your entire OP highlights the supposed advantage it has over the Ti. Nice, cute little game you are trying to play. It is completely transparent though.

Ok the "only" was a mistake, you just portrayed the out of the box mode as if it's the unbiased way to compare them, then recommended changing the 780 to settings. I found that ironic while in the same sentence you tried to discredit 4k and the interest in it as purely brand driven.

Your attempt to call me out in general will simply merit a report. I found your post hypocritical that's all.


Next time just submit the report instead of publicizing about it.

-Rvenger

 

[blackened23]

Cool story bro, why didn't you stick to a single review instead of cherry picking the best diagrams across several sites which best "show" your point? Who's Biased?

The performance and scaling isn't in question at 4k. The issues are, and always have been, what the trade-offs are for said performance. AFAIK nvidia still has better frame variance, but AMD has improved immensely. Kudos to them for that.

Basically, the gameplay experience with both the 780ti and uber mode 290X is similar at 4k. That really is a credit to how well the 290 series scales at high res. What isn't similar are the other non performance aspects of the 4k experience. Software, shadow play, adaptive vsync, acoustics, efficiency, and so on. AMD still needs to release B revision reference boards to address the latter parts of these issues IMO - I know Ryan Smith has called out AMD on this , and I hope they listen. I just hope AMD somehow gets the message that if they release a more *complete and balanced* product that none of the naysaying would exist. Period.

 

[wand3r3r]

The performance and scaling isn't in question. The issues are, and always have been, what the trade-offs are for said performance. AFAIK nvidia still has better frame variance, but AMD has improved immensely. Kudos to them for that.

The latest crossfire reviews on the xdma cards have came out positive although I'm not sure if they are 100% even. I agree the 780 ti is an amazing card but I'm not sure if it's worth $50 more much less $150.

 

[DooKey]

The latest crossfire reviews on the xdma cards have came out positive although I'm not sure if they are 100% even. I agree the 780 ti is an amazing card but I'm not sure if it's worth $50 more much less $150.

The cooler alone makes it worth $50 more than a 290x.

 

[Fizbinii]

found a post from someone who swapped out waterblocked 3x sli gtx 670's with 2x crossfire r9 290's

VERY interesting.. he is running at 7 million pixels compaired to 8 mill for 4k gaming.. so pretty close too...........

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...4-gtx670-trisli-r9-290-xfire-watercooled.html

 

[AlNasty]

the 780 ti overclocks twice as good as the 290

So you are saying the $700 card overclocks to better performance than the $400 card???