[H] Far Cry Primal performance review

[boozzer]

Nice performance on the game, but sadly without HBAO+ and hairworks im not gonna bother, will just look like a consoll game without and wont make me feel special pc master race.

hahaha, did you forget the /S ?????

 

[TheELF]

I actually care a lot about new technologies and better graphics but I want to be able to have the same options with every GPU vendor. One year I may have a AMD GPU and then I may get a new NV GPU. I want to be able to play the same games with the SAME GRAPHICS ON BOTH GPUs and be optimized for both of them.

Forcing everyone to be the same is communism (well, what most receive as communism) nobody want's communism, if you want communism get a console where everybody shares the same hardware.
With your logic every game should be written with only one thread cause not every CPU has more than one core and you might choose to get a single core CPU and expect it to run the same games.

You always choose your hardware depending on what it can do better(for your needs) .

 

[Ma_Deuce]

Good graphics across multiple gpus = communism

Check

 

[itsmydamnation]

Forcing everyone to be the same is communism (well, what most receive as communism) nobody want's communism, if you want communism get a console where everybody shares the same hardware.
With your logic every game should be written with only one thread cause not every CPU has more than one core and you might choose to get a single core CPU and expect it to run the same games.

You always choose your hardware depending on what it can do better(for your needs) .

that's a terrible analogy,

1. You can run more then one thread on a single core
2. Modern games are job based system and just spawn a number of threads based off detected number of cores( look how AOS scales upto 18 cores)
3. Your workload doesn't change based off if an AMD or Intel CPU is detected
4. Nice to know the entire internet is communism, you know, IP,TCP,UDP,NAT,MPLS,BGP,XML,HTTP,TLS what a <insert derogatory word> line of thinking.........

 

[Erenhardt]

Forcing everyone to be the same is communism (well, what most receive as communism) nobody want's communism, if you want communism get a console where everybody shares the same hardware.
With your logic every game should be written with only one thread cause not every CPU has more than one core and you might choose to get a single core CPU and expect it to run the same games.

You always choose your hardware depending on what it can do better(for your needs) .

How the hell did you spun from 'having more options for everyone' into 'forcing communism upon humanity'?

I mean, what was the thought process behind this?

 

[TheELF]

How the hell did you spun from 'having more options for everyone' into 'forcing communism upon humanity'?

I mean, what was the thought process behind this?

How is having gameworks AND gaming evolved less options than having everyone only use basic stuff that any card is good at?


You don't want it? You can turn it off!
You wan't it? Sell a kidney and get a card that can run it!

 

[TheELF]

2. Modern games are job based system and just spawn a number of threads based off detected number of cores( look how AOS scales upto 18 cores)

You do realise that those threads only break up graphics workload and don't give you better numbers(outside of benchmarks) because the actual game logic still runs on as many threads that it was designed for,most of the times for those kinds of games that's one thread.
Outside of benchmarks the produced frames have to be synced with the actual gameplay.

 

[sandorski]

Forcing everyone to be the same is communism (well, what most receive as communism) nobody want's communism, if you want communism get a console where everybody shares the same hardware.
With your logic every game should be written with only one thread cause not every CPU has more than one core and you might choose to get a single core CPU and expect it to run the same games.

You always choose your hardware depending on what it can do better(for your needs) .

If GW v GE is a Capitalist v Communist issue, Communism Won or is the better choice.

No one wants what GW has brought.

 

[swilli89]

Forcing everyone to be the same is communism (well, what most receive as communism) nobody want's communism, if you want communism get a console where everybody shares the same hardware.
With your logic every game should be written with only one thread cause not every CPU has more than one core and you might choose to get a single core CPU and expect it to run the same games.

You always choose your hardware depending on what it can do better(for your needs) .

This is probably the most idiotic post I've ever read on this site.

 

[thesmokingman]

It's kind of refreshing a benchmark thread not littered with trolling.

I take that back.

 

[thilanliyan]

I take that back.

Lol, yeah it was pretty good up to Page 2

 

[Erenhardt]

How is having gameworks AND gaming evolved less options than having everyone only use basic stuff that any card is good at?


You don't want it? You can turn it off!
You wan't it? Sell a kidney and get a card that can run it!

Last time I tried to turn off physx in project cars that happened:

I can't afford to sell my kidney every year because nv planned obsolence.

If you haven't noticed Gameworks is a tumor on PC gaming. It is pushing its way against the flow. Criticized by all but a few.

This game is a sole reason why Gameworks should be forgotten and nvidia banned for trolling PC gamers.

 

[thesmokingman]

This game is a sole reason why Gameworks should be forgotten and nvidia banned for trolling PC gamers.

Watch out dude. D:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37504923&postcount=50

 

[Rvenger]

The next posts which resembles the thread crapping above will lock this thread and offenders are getting infracted, not warned, infracted. The word communism shouldn't even be in this forum, that is ridiculous so stop it now.

-Rvenger

 

[poofyhairguy]

I think this is a very interesting topic- what do we expect out of console ports?

Is it enough to just have higher resolutions, higher FPSes, longer draw distance, higher texture detail, etc. ? Or, as [H] proposes, do we want to see PC specific technology that also pushes PC hardware to the limits (maybe unevenly to each vendor)?

For me personally I am torn. I don't mind basically getting plus versions of games, as 30 fps can be annoying and AA is nice. But I also like hairworks and Tressfx and that is the kind of thing that might push me to upgrade faster to get it (when for say resolution I am less apt to upgrade my display). That is the kind of stuff you show off to buddies who play the same game on a console and they go "wow."

I don't know what I prefer. Well obviously I know what I prefer- non vendor related PC specific technology created by the game developer. But it doesn't seem like the economics of PC gaming makes that option possible. So we are forced to chose it seems.

 

[boozzer]

are you willing to pay 600$ for hairworks or tressfx? I doubt any 300$ gpu can handle those. it seems to be something [H] wants no matter what. well more like hairworks only in [H]'s case. and 30 fps is something no sane pc gamer wants. but stuff like hairworks lowers fps by 20%+. is that what we, as gamers would want?

If primal runs butter smooth and looks insanely good without any of the proprietary crap from either side, why are some of the posters here angry? that is just bizarre. why does it need something that lowers performance by 20% with no added visual quality?

 

[96Firebird]

Are people incapable of turning off optional features?

 

[boozzer]

Are people incapable of turning off optional features?

do you know the topic at hand? it is about H's review. read it and read this thread.

 

[BrentJ]

Are people incapable of turning off optional features?

Apparently. Instead of giving gamers the feature options, which they can turn on or off, some people would rather the feature options not even be there in the first place, giving gamers less options in terms of visual quality in games. I don't get it either.

I am for, not against, moving gaming forward by providing better visuals in games, and using graphics features that make games look better. If progress was never made on improving game graphics over time game graphics would stagnate, and newer GPUs would not be necessary.

I look forward to improved graphics and the new era we are entering with DX12. Bring on better graphics, don't strip them down. Every gamer should be for this.

 

[Jaydip]

Apparently. Instead of giving gamers the feature options, which they can turn on or off, some people would rather the feature options not even be there in the first place, giving gamers less options in terms of visual quality in games. I don't get it either.

I am for, not against, moving gaming forward by providing better visuals in games, and using graphics features that make games look better. If progress was never made on improving game graphics over time game graphics would stagnate, and newer GPUs would not be necessary.

I look forward to improved graphics and the new era we are entering with DX12. Bring on better graphics, don't strip them down. Every gamer should be for this.

Brent according to many posters here you guys are in bed with NV so don't waste your time here, even without being a member of [H[ I appreciate the quality reviews you guys are doing, keep it up!

 

[maddie]

I think this is a very interesting topic- what do we expect out of console ports?

Is it enough to just have higher resolutions, higher FPSes, longer draw distance, higher texture detail, etc. ? Or, as [H] proposes, do we want to see PC specific technology that also pushes PC hardware to the limits (maybe unevenly to each vendor)?

For me personally I am torn. I don't mind basically getting plus versions of games, as 30 fps can be annoying and AA is nice. But I also like hairworks and Tressfx and that is the kind of thing that might push me to upgrade faster to get it (when for say resolution I am less apt to upgrade my display). That is the kind of stuff you show off to buddies who play the same game on a console and they go "wow."

I don't know what I prefer. Well obviously I know what I prefer- non vendor related PC specific technology created by the game developer. But it doesn't seem like the economics of PC gaming makes that option possible. So we are forced to chose it seems.

Yes.

The problem arises when you push most hardware beyond the limits for an enjoyable experience.

Forced upgrades? Most of the world can't afford rapid changes in hardware, regardless of what some vocal members believe.

 

[96Firebird]

do you know the topic at hand? it is about H's review. read it and read this thread.

I am fully aware, thanks, do you have a meaningful response to my post?

 

[Snarf Snarf]

Apparently. Instead of giving gamers the feature options, which they can turn on or off, some people would rather the feature options not even be there in the first place, giving gamers less options in terms of visual quality in games. I don't get it either.

I am for, not against, moving gaming forward by providing better visuals in games, and using graphics features that make games look better. If progress was never made on improving game graphics over time game graphics would stagnate, and newer GPUs would not be necessary.

I look forward to improved graphics and the new era we are entering with DX12. Bring on better graphics, don't strip them down. Every gamer should be for this.

The issue isn't that we don't want the options, the issue is that when a certain set of features are added to games they almost always inherently have terrible launch performance. The Gameworks program does not have a very good track record when it comes to balanced performance in regards to image quality on both vendors. I can't speak for others but what I want in a game is a great engine that talented developers created with the intention of good image quality and balanced performance on modern hardware. CDPR with The Witcher 3 is a perfect example here, turn hairworks off and the game runs great on all hardware because the engine doesn't use Nvidia source code (the tesselation is a bit high but that doesn't break the game on Radeon).

If a game developer wants to make a console port and wants our money, they better try a little harder than dropping in Gameworks code and calling it an upgrade. When said "upgrade" costs 20-30% performance but is almost indiscernible from the original is when people start to take objection to these "forward thinking" games. A beautiful engine trumps the extra check boxes all day every day. Everyone at this forum wants to see new technology and we do get excited by it, but execution of the tech is even more important than just saying that they used it.

 

[tential]

Apparently. Instead of giving gamers the feature options, which they can turn on or off, some people would rather the feature options not even be there in the first place, giving gamers less options in terms of visual quality in games. I don't get it either.

I am for, not against, moving gaming forward by providing better visuals in games, and using graphics features that make games look better. If progress was never made on improving game graphics over time game graphics would stagnate, and newer GPUs would not be necessary.

I look forward to improved graphics and the new era we are entering with DX12. Bring on better graphics, don't strip them down. Every gamer should be for this.

So you truly believe that Gameworks is simply a tack on option. It never has an effect on the overall quality of the game?

 

[boozzer]

I am fully aware, thanks, do you have a meaningful response to my post?

ok, what are we talking about? in this thread.

Apparently. Instead of giving gamers the feature options, which they can turn on or off, some people would rather the feature options not even be there in the first place, giving gamers less options in terms of visual quality in games. I don't get it either.

I am for, not against, moving gaming forward by providing better visuals in games, and using graphics features that make games look better. If progress was never made on improving game graphics over time game graphics would stagnate, and newer GPUs would not be necessary.

I look forward to improved graphics and the new era we are entering with DX12. Bring on better graphics, don't strip them down. Every gamer should be for this.

what do you think of the "tack" on options lowering fps no matter if it is turned on or not? because that has been the case for alot of games with those tack on options.