Gym member tells me I'm doing deads wrong.

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Amused
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http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/BBDeadlift.html

^ That's how I do it (although unable recently due to tennis elbow :| ).

However, this thread reminds of why I don't like gyms, and prefer to workout at home.

I've been lifting for over 30 years, it always seems to be the nOObs who wanna offer advice. When I did exercise at a gym (while in university away from home) I knew guys that were serious lifters (held state and other records in various lifts) and I never saw them offer unsolicited advice.

Fern

The only time I ever offer advice is when I see someone about to hurt themselves.

And no noob tries to give me advice. Probably because they know I'd laugh in their face.

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: crt1530
Pfft. Even you snobby weightlifters use belts in competition.

Some guys do and some don't.

I have never used one and will never as long as I am able to do so. And I wouldn't see why not, unless I got injured badly...

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Amused
-snip-

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/ErectorSpinae/BBDeadlift.html

^ That's how I do it (although unable recently due to tennis elbow :| ).

However, this thread reminds of why I don't like gyms, and prefer to workout at home.

I've been lifting for over 30 years, it always seems to be the nOObs who wanna offer advice. When I did exercise at a gym (while in university away from home) I knew guys that were serious lifters (held state and other records in various lifts) and I never saw them offer unsolicited advice.

Fern

The only time I ever offer advice is when I see someone about to hurt themselves.

And no noob tries to give me advice. Probably because they know I'd laugh in their face.

I may try and give you advice if I ever see you in a gym

I was giving some guys on advice about squats a few days ago. It is amazing no one changes their routine or takes a rest week(cut volume and cut weights) every so often!

Koing

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
[...]

Wow, thanks! There's a few helpful pointers in there that I didn't think about before.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Yeah... I learned a few things too. I have never been a real powerlifter... I really don't have the body for it.

But if I ever get serious about lifting again it will be almost all compound movement, powerlifting style. I gained more strength in 3 months of powerlifting with good coaching than I did in 2 years of standard free weight weightlifting.

 

[f4phantom2500]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
I believe everything should be done naturally

Which is why I don't do exercises like that. Any exercise that requires you to wear belts and straps so that you don't break a bone is too unnatural imo. All I do is run, swim, and calisthenics (push ups, sit ups, pull ups, and dips) and the closest thing to an injury I've ever gotten doing those was shin splints, which could have been avoided by stretching.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: f4phantom2500

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
I believe everything should be done naturally

Which is why I don't do exercises like that. Any exercise that requires you to wear belts and straps so that you don't break a bone is too unnatural imo. All I do is run, swim, and calisthenics (push ups, sit ups, pull ups, and dips) and the closest thing to an injury I've ever gotten doing those was shin splints, which could have been avoided by stretching.

You don't NEED to use any equipment to peform a deadlift. I've been doing them for a few years and have never had a problem. All I use is a bit of chalk to help my grip. I also know many guys much older than me who have been doing them for far longer, and they agree as well. If you do them correctly, you're not going to have a problem.

 

[f4phantom2500]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: f4phantom2500

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
I believe everything should be done naturally

Which is why I don't do exercises like that. Any exercise that requires you to wear belts and straps so that you don't break a bone is too unnatural imo. All I do is run, swim, and calisthenics (push ups, sit ups, pull ups, and dips) and the closest thing to an injury I've ever gotten doing those was shin splints, which could have been avoided by stretching.

You don't NEED to use any equipment to peform a deadlift. I've been doing them for a few years and have never had a problem. All I use is a bit of chalk to help my grip. I also know many guys much older than me who have been doing them for far longer, and they agree as well. If you do them correctly, you're not going to have a problem.

True, it's not *necessary* but there's a much greater chance for injury; if you do a push up incorrectly you'll probably look stupid, but you won't break your back. What I'm saying is that the exercise isn't exactly safe due to its extreme nature.

 

[ManBearPig]

Heres a question:

for SLDLs, do you bend your knees or keep them straight? I have heard of people doing both.

And for what its worth, for regular dls you do let them touch the floor, but you can do a variation called continuous grip DLs without letting them touch the floor. it's more difficult and i wouldn't do them for very heavy weights.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: f4phantom2500

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: f4phantom2500

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
I believe everything should be done naturally

Which is why I don't do exercises like that. Any exercise that requires you to wear belts and straps so that you don't break a bone is too unnatural imo. All I do is run, swim, and calisthenics (push ups, sit ups, pull ups, and dips) and the closest thing to an injury I've ever gotten doing those was shin splints, which could have been avoided by stretching.

You don't NEED to use any equipment to peform a deadlift. I've been doing them for a few years and have never had a problem. All I use is a bit of chalk to help my grip. I also know many guys much older than me who have been doing them for far longer, and they agree as well. If you do them correctly, you're not going to have a problem.

True, it's not *necessary* but there's a much greater chance for injury; if you do a push up incorrectly you'll probably look stupid, but you won't break your back. What I'm saying is that the exercise isn't exactly safe due to its extreme nature.

Maybe, but a perfectly safe exercise is a perfectly worthless exercise from a bodybuilding or powerlifting standpoint. You aren't going to build any muscle doing running or calisthenics. I'm not saying such movements are worthless, but for the bodybuilder or powerlifter, the deadlift is one of the core movements.

If you have no interest in building muscle or in just lifting heavier weights, then I'd say sure, pass on the deadlifts and squats.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Heen05
Heres a question:

for SLDLs, do you bend your knees or keep them straight? I have heard of people doing both.

And for what its worth, for regular dls you do let them touch the floor, but you can do a variation called continuous grip DLs without letting them touch the floor. it's more difficult and i wouldn't do them for very heavy weights.

You can do them either way. There are a lot of variations of the SLDL.

 

[ManBearPig]

Well, using heavier weightages kinda really bothers me knees. I don't think this is detrimental to my health or anything...i just should probably use knee bands/wraps so that theres more pressure on that area.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Heen05
Heres a question:

for SLDLs, do you bend your knees or keep them straight? I have heard of people doing both.

And for what its worth, for regular dls you do let them touch the floor, but you can do a variation called continuous grip DLs without letting them touch the floor. it's more difficult and i wouldn't do them for very heavy weights.

I keep them straight.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
So I walk into to the gym all psyched out and read to pull, the deadlift being my favorite exercise. I push through my sub-maximal sets and get ready to break my PR. Last week I struggled to pull 265 x 1 so when I put on 275, I didn't no what to expect. Anyway, I managed to get 3 reps out of it, which obviously made me happy; however, a after I racked the bar, an unfamiliar gym member asked where I had learned to deadlift. I told him that I had taught myself, to which he said I was doing it all wrong.

Normally, when I'm doing near maximal weight, I allow the barbell to hit the floor for a count before I begin another rep. If I were to stop before the bar hit the ground, I would be placing a tremendous amount of stress on my erectors which would be probably break my form. I don't slam the weight to the ground powerlifter-style, but I lower till I'm a few inches from the floor before allowing a controlled "drop" to the floor. Sort of like this but with a slight one-second pause before I begin again.

So this man says to me that I'm never supposed to allow the weight to hit the floor on a deadlift no matter what, and he also tells me I should lift with a belt since I am approaching twice my BW. Now I respect the everyone's opinion, but I take it with a grain of salt until I have "evidence" to back their claims. I lift without straps, suits, or wraps, as I believe everything should be done naturally; so obviously I'm not going to wear a belt. Personally, I don't like the idea of weakening my inner abdominals by having artificial support, but am I fine by touching with a pause before I take another rep, especially with maximal weight?


Edit: I was reading the EliteFitness forums and just came across this video. Bad form aside, this is almost exactly what I do, only with a shorter pause.

You rack your deadlift bar?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Special K
Um, you are definitely supposed to let the bar come to rest between each rep. Why do you think its called a "dead" lift?

I think the belt wearing is a personal preference. Some say if you use it, it is only acting as a crutch for what your core muscles should be able to handle the weight alone. If you are using bad form, it's not like a belt is going to prevent you from getting hurt.

Most seem to say a belt is fine for a max attempt. Personally I never use them, although I have never gone below a triple on deadlifts.

QFT.

Deadlift is from a dead position. If you are able to push them out with touch and go's, you are not DL'ing.

 

[cdmccool]

"The people sensible enough to give good advice are usually sensible enough to give none."
-unknown

A quote I think of everytime I see someone walking around the gym trying to give everyone advice.