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crt1530

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Don't worry about the noise. Most of the time when people talk about "dropping" they are either letting go of the bar or letting it fall at the speed of gravity. It doesn't sound like you are doing that. On the other side of the coin, if your deadlift reps are perfectly quiet, you're not using enough weight. It sounds like you have a good idea about what to do. Just keep training and focus on getting stronger.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

Conventional DL form for reps dicates you lower the bar down for to touch the floor. You get more range from your DL and making the exercise better.

There are many varieties and depending on what your focus is you can choose to lower the bar so it is a few inches off the floor and then pull back up. You have to reverse the direction and keep tension but you'll need an almost crazy amount of strength to keep your back from rounding with this method, but you could build up to decent numbers here also.

Some guys will also DL on a raised platform to get more of a range in the DL also...not for the faint hearted!

You can also DL with one arm also.

Koing
 

EvilYoda

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Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

Joined yesterday and already name calling...you really do belong here.

You might want to read the rest of the thread and see what some of the more respected voices have to save about the subject at hand.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Not to call you out, but it would seem that the majority of the posters in this thread--many of whom have experience in competitive weight-lifting--as well as most of the posted videos regarding proper DL form seem to say that placing the weight on the floor between reps is how the exercise should be done.

Weightlifting != Powerliting
Weightlifting != weight training!

Koing (sorry it is a pet peeve!)
 

edro

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Yes, it's supposed to touch.

The only people who give advice in the gym are ego maniacs who think they know what they are talking about.

I get my advice by watching the obvious body builders in my gym.

I would definitely recommend getting a belt though (and pants for deadlifts, as your knees get banged up). There are a few exercises that you can cause serious injury from without using a belt. One is deadlifts, the other is squats.

I started out with the same mentality that you have. I didn't want any straps or belts, I wanted to do it naturally. After a while though, your grip and stomach / lower back can't keep up with your legs and back.

I use straps for most rows, as my grip isn't nearly as strong as it needs to be for the weight I pull. Also, my palms are sweaty, so it slips out easier.

 

WCRemix

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Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

Conventional DL form for reps dicates you lower the bar down for to touch the floor. You get more range from your DL and making the exercise better.

There are many varieties and depending on what your focus is you can choose to lower the bar so it is a few inches off the floor and then pull back up. You have to reverse the direction and keep tension but you'll need an almost crazy amount of strength to keep your back from rounding with this method, but you could build up to decent numbers here also.

Some guys will also DL on a raised platform to get more of a range in the DL also...not for the faint hearted!

You can also DL with one arm also.

Koing


From my experience not lowering to the floor hasa given a better workout. Like you said it requires more strength, so I keep the weight a little lower when doing it. This is the direction I have been given. But it sounds like you could basically do it either way.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

Go away, little boy. Men are talking.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

Nothing special. I'm 5'8" 183lbs and I currently deadlift 500lbs. I wasn't posturing and talking stats. The advice you offered was completely incorrect and people who don't know any better should be advised that you have no idea what you're talking about and should be ignored.
 

Whisper

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Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: Whisper
Not to call you out, but it would seem that the majority of the posters in this thread--many of whom have experience in competitive weight-lifting--as well as most of the posted videos regarding proper DL form seem to say that placing the weight on the floor between reps is how the exercise should be done.

Weightlifting != Powerliting
Weightlifting != weight training!

Koing (sorry it is a pet peeve!)

Post edited to appease the pet peeve.

:)
 

WCRemix

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Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

Nothing special. I'm 5'8" 183lbs and I currently deadlift 500lbs. I wasn't posturing and talking stats. The advice you offered was completely incorrect and people who don't know any better should be advised that you have no idea what you're talking about and should be ignored.

It was not incorrect advice. It seems pretty clear people do some exercises differently and can get results from both. Check out some deads by IFBB pros and tell them they dont know what they are talking about.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: Whisper
Not to call you out, but it would seem that the majority of the posters in this thread--many of whom have experience in competitive weight-lifting--as well as most of the posted videos regarding proper DL form seem to say that placing the weight on the floor between reps is how the exercise should be done.

Weightlifting != Powerliting
Weightlifting != weight training!

Koing (sorry it is a pet peeve!)

Post edited to appease the pet peeve.

:)

:p

It is better for my sport that people know the differences :)

WC, most people generally DL the conventional way first. Then they move on to other varities later on. NO ONE is taught to keep the bar off the floor for the first time generally. Having an exercise being harder is not necessarily good. You can DL on a swiss ball and that is a hell of a lot harder but is it ANY better for you? It would actually be one of the most stupid exercises.

It depends on what you want from your exercises and what your focus is. For a DL he should lower to touch the floor. There is no 'set' way to do it but this is the 'normal' way that most people do it.

Koing
 

Sukhoi

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You touch the ground in a controlled motion. Don't drop it to the ground. Lower it at the same speed you lower it from the standing position.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

Nothing special. I'm 5'8" 183lbs and I currently deadlift 500lbs. I wasn't posturing and talking stats. The advice you offered was completely incorrect and people who don't know any better should be advised that you have no idea what you're talking about and should be ignored.

It was not incorrect advice. It seems pretty clear people do some exercises differently and can get results from both. Check out some deads by IFBB pros and tell them they dont know what they are talking about.

It is correct advice and it is generally what people know for a DL for reps is.

YES but the bulk of their training will also include rack DL from various heighs, DL with the bar under the pins etc. These would not be called a 'conventional' DL though! They'd be called rack deadlifts below knee, at knee, mid thigh etc.

Koing
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: CKent
Hrm, will be interesting what Amused or someone else very knowledgeable has to say. I've always heard for most stuff you don't want to rest between reps. On top of not resting at the bottom of motions, this also means no locking your joints at the top of benches, squats, etc. as the idea is to keep tension on your muscles.

So you don't ever lock your legs when standing? Or when walking? Locking your joints out is fine. Most people don't lock their arms when BP because they are f0cking lazy and it saves effort not having to go all the way to the top...

[...]

Koing

I thought that locking out on heavy lifts could be detrimental to join health?
 

amicold

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Originally posted by: Whisper
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

Not to call you out, but it would seem that the majority of the posters in this thread--many of whom have experience in competitive powerlifting--as well as most of the posted videos regarding proper DL form seem to say that placing the weight on the floor between reps is how the exercise should be done.

This is primarily why it's called the deadlift. The weight rests between reps, making it "dead". Now personally I do them like exrx demonstrates, I let the weight down between sets, and even let the bar "rest" in the plate, as soon as that happens I lift it back up again.
 

WCRemix

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Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

Nothing special. I'm 5'8" 183lbs and I currently deadlift 500lbs. I wasn't posturing and talking stats. The advice you offered was completely incorrect and people who don't know any better should be advised that you have no idea what you're talking about and should be ignored.

It was not incorrect advice. It seems pretty clear people do some exercises differently and can get results from both. Check out some deads by IFBB pros and tell them they dont know what they are talking about.

It is correct advice and it is generally what people know for a DL for reps is.

YES but the bulk of their training will also include rack DL from various heighs, DL with the bar under the pins etc. These would not be called a 'conventional' DL though! They'd be called rack deadlifts below knee, at knee, mid thigh etc.

Koing


Thanks for clearing that up.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

He was talking about my information, dumbass. Go away.
Nothing special. I'm 5'8" 183lbs and I currently deadlift 500lbs. I wasn't posturing and talking stats. The advice you offered was completely incorrect and people who don't know any better should be advised that you have no idea what you're talking about and should be ignored.

It was not incorrect advice. It seems pretty clear people do some exercises differently and can get results from both. Check out some deads by IFBB pros and tell them they dont know what they are talking about.

It is correct advice and it is generally what people know for a DL for reps is.

YES but the bulk of their training will also include rack DL from various heighs, DL with the bar under the pins etc. These would not be called a 'conventional' DL though! They'd be called rack deadlifts below knee, at knee, mid thigh etc.

Koing


Thanks for clearing that up.

He wasn't agreeing with you, dumbass.
 

platinumike

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That guy is an idiot. Its a deadlift hence the WORD DEAD. You Place the weight dead on the floor after each rep, now touch and go kinda thing
 

WCRemix

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Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: WCRemix
Not letting the bar touch the ground is one of the main points of the exercise. You are still obviously getting a good workout, even though it is touching. But try lowering the amount of weight you put on, and not letting it touch the ground between reps and you will probably getter better effects from the lift. As for the belt, I would never use one, but there are some benefits when weights get too high.

Don't offer weight training advice. You don't know what you're talking about.

Haha, right. What are your stats douche?

He was talking about my information, dumbass. Go away.
Nothing special. I'm 5'8" 183lbs and I currently deadlift 500lbs. I wasn't posturing and talking stats. The advice you offered was completely incorrect and people who don't know any better should be advised that you have no idea what you're talking about and should be ignored.

It was not incorrect advice. It seems pretty clear people do some exercises differently and can get results from both. Check out some deads by IFBB pros and tell them they dont know what they are talking about.

It is correct advice and it is generally what people know for a DL for reps is.

YES but the bulk of their training will also include rack DL from various heighs, DL with the bar under the pins etc. These would not be called a 'conventional' DL though! They'd be called rack deadlifts below knee, at knee, mid thigh etc.

Koing


Thanks for clearing that up.

He wasn't agreeing with you, dumbass.


Never said he was, dickhole.
 

SVT Cobra

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I am actually a powerlifter (I was not aware there were any actually here? Besides the armchair ones, and Koing is more on an olympic lifter.

First it has to be said, a body builder and a powerlifter are going to have different form. A body builder lifts so he gets the best workout for the muscle he wants to work. A powerlifter uses the form that is going to allow him to lift the most.

When I hold seminars at local gyms I usually teach conventional (not sumo style) deadlifts this way: (it is easier to show than type but I'll try).

Go up to the bar with your shins touching the bar, a little wider than shoulder width. Then place your hands right outside your ankles gripping the bar. Your arms should be touching the outsides of your legs. Then sink your butt so it is parallel to the floor (it is okay if it comes up a little during the lift, everybody rounds their back a little to a certain degree when maxing) and your chest is up and "proud" while your try to maintain the tightest arch in your back you can hold. Look up towards to corner where the wall meets the ceiling. Now you want to take a deep breath and hold it in your stomach not your chest and push out on your abs stabalizing your core (this is where learning with a belt comes in), and you want to act like you are trying to spread apart the floor with your feet forcing your knees out. Now lift the bar by concentrating on your ham strings, not your quads. Try to focus on thrusting your pelvis and hips out for power not just lifting it up with your back. Obviously keep your back straight. To lock out, roll your shoulders and arms back so the weight can almost rest on your theighs. Now if it is a max, drop the weight (unless you have a pvssy gym and they do not allow it). If you are doing multiple sets you need to come down controlled and some what slow. The negative part of the lift will build strength also, and you are still focusing on keeping everything as tight as possible with the empehsis on your hams, just like if you were going down for a squat. Try to act like you want to have the ends of the weight by your heels for the best possible position for the next lift. Repeat.

So yes you obviously touch the floor unless you are doing assisted lock outs or other types of exercises that are not conventional dead lifts, and you bring the weight back down as controlled as you possibly can. You do not let it fall or go down quickly as it allows your muscles to relax, and then you will lose your stability and put tremndous strain on your muscles as they have to tense again in the wrong position. You try to keep the bar in a straight line motion. Easy up, easy down.


As for the belt. This is an arguement that only newbies argue about. If you like using a belt (I do when attempting maxes as it helps you stabalize your core, it does not do it for you, you must still do it). But, when I do my dynamic effort says I do not use a belt as you do not want your core muscles to become dependent on it. As for wraps, straps, and suits, that is a whole other arguement. But, lifting RAW allows the use of a belt.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
As for the belt. This is an arguement that only newbies argue about. If you like using a belt (I do when attempting maxes as it helps you stabalize your core, it does not do it for you, you must still do it). But, when I do my dynamic effort says I do not use a belt as you do not want your core muscles to become dependent on it. As for wraps, straps, and suits, that is a whole other arguement. But, lifting RAW allows the use of a belt.

I'd say RAW would be with no belt either :p. RAW = nothing

Koing
 

Fern

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^ That's how I do it (although unable recently due to tennis elbow :| ).

However, this thread reminds of why I don't like gyms, and prefer to workout at home.

I've been lifting for over 30 years, it always seems to be the nOObs who wanna offer advice. When I did exercise at a gym (while in university away from home) I knew guys that were serious lifters (held state and other records in various lifts) and I never saw them offer unsolicited advice.

Fern