meltdown75
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meltdown75
Lifer
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How many cops does it take to remove one uncooperative person? I'm going to go out on a limb and say two although I'm sure some cops could do it all by their lonesome.
If I were the cop, I could carry the idiot person / student out of the building with help from my fellow cops. Sounds too simple though, and my taser finger is getting itchy.
Easy to say when in hindsight and behind the keyboard. But I can agree that the situation should've been handled differently (without knowing all the facts). For all we know, the kid could've verbally threatened the officers, had a prior history, etc.
meltdown75
Lifer
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Hindsight is all we have here, and we're all behind keyboards. I was responding to a hypothetical question.
My last quip here will be towards all the attitude shown towards "students". Rampantly throughout the thread we have this trend which shows various members on both sides of the fence bashing students. Last time I checked, only the top 1 or 2% of people in this world actually get to attend post-secondary educational institutions. Those people trashing students are basically labelling the most intelligent cross-section of society (and your future bosses and CEOs, etc) as a bunch of idiots. Ouch...
meltdown75
Lifer
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Where's the part that says, "We can't do our job and need to bring in the big guns if anything such as disobeyance shall occur."
Screw this, I'm buying stock in tasers.
http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=39009
I'm in the belief that both the kid was a complete idiot who does not belong at UCLA, and the cops may have taken the situation a little too far..but this really tops the cake here. He HAD HIS BRUINCARD did not show his ID because he thought he was being racially profiled, which would've prevented everything in the first place..but does he not f'in realize the school he goes to has a HUGE number of persians/iranians..perhaps higher than any other university in the US? Plus he was born here so he has an American accent, howTF can you possibly justify any sortof racial profiling here?
I'm in the belief that both the kid was a complete idiot who does not belong at UCLA, and the cops may have taken the situation a little too far..but this really tops the cake here. He HAD HIS BRUINCARD did not show his ID because he thought he was being racially profiled, which would've prevented everything in the first place..but does he not f'in realize the school he goes to has a HUGE number of persians/iranians..perhaps higher than any other university in the US? Plus he was born here so he has an American accent, howTF can you possibly justify any sortof racial profiling here?
Was there not multiple cops and one student? Doesn't exactly mention if the person was cuffed or under control at the point the person asked. I would assume that when the person asked, the person being tasered was in control. Before leaving one of them should be able to give that information, and should not hesitate to either. It is not an unreasonable request.
If i saw an officer doing something I thought was in the wrong legally, I wouldn't hesitate to ask for his badge number, granted that the area was secure and he was not in a struggle at that time. Don't see the harm in it, they can ask for my drivers license, I can ask for their name and badge if I wish, as long as your civilized about it they should comply.
About tasers, I thought tasers were created for use as an alternative for a gun if the officer was in life threatening danger, not to help in escorting someone out of a building.
Look at it this way, do you think they should be right to shoot him at that point? If not, the taser probably was not the correct solution.
I know the kid was being stupid about the whole thing, I think the campus police could have done better, and did not need to taser him.
AAjax
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I think the police over reacted, but I also think this guy caused the incident by being an asshat. He wanted attention, wanted to cause a scene. Well he got attention, and now he got a lawyer. Big surprise.
Look at me, Ill make a scene with the police BAD IDEA. All he had to do was show his ID. He was not in a public place, he was in a restricted area where ID was required after a certain time.
Im not saying what the police did was right, it wasnt. But he was the one who caused it to begin. At that point you gotta take some responsibility for the outcome. Odds are though, he wont.
You want my respect? get a lawyer after you comply with a standard request. Be willing to invest the time and energy to fight it out the right way. Of course you will have to pay for the lawyer. So much easier to cause a huge scene and make the taxpayers of said state pick up the bill for your idiocy.
follow the cops and do EXACTLY what they ask, regardless of how unfair it sounds or whether or not you agree with it.
Or else there is a good chance you will get tazed.
Or else there is a good chance you will get tazed.
It's quite obvious that both parties have fault.
1. Asshat who can't handle his 'pride' of being US born Iranian and refused to follow SIMPLE procedure by not showing ID when asked. I'm sure he did not even state why he refused to show it. (If he did, this would'd been turned out to be just a nice simple debate about racial prejudice and stereotype in UCLA between the kid and the library worker)
2. Police who got agitated by him and over-reacted by tasering him not once but numerous times.
Solution?
1. Kid needs to continue his education and not worry about damm lawsuit. Fill your brain with common-sense before you scream like a jackas$ in a public place
(Look at the video, he screamed well before he was tasered)
2. Policeman needs some anger-management class and/or small punishment because if he were in the kid's shoe, he'd been very pissed too understandably.
and stop with the neo-nazi's and all that crap while most of you haven't even lived in the ages of real nazi world. It's giving up our rights when we follow what police tells us to do? pathetic! Yeah it's giving up the rights if police tells you to go out and shoot someone, it's not giving up rights when you are instructed to follow steps to remedy a situation.
It's another rotten side of the cheese in America where people jump on and off a bandwagon too fast.
1. Asshat who can't handle his 'pride' of being US born Iranian and refused to follow SIMPLE procedure by not showing ID when asked. I'm sure he did not even state why he refused to show it. (If he did, this would'd been turned out to be just a nice simple debate about racial prejudice and stereotype in UCLA between the kid and the library worker)
2. Police who got agitated by him and over-reacted by tasering him not once but numerous times.
Solution?
1. Kid needs to continue his education and not worry about damm lawsuit. Fill your brain with common-sense before you scream like a jackas$ in a public place
(Look at the video, he screamed well before he was tasered)
2. Policeman needs some anger-management class and/or small punishment because if he were in the kid's shoe, he'd been very pissed too understandably.
and stop with the neo-nazi's and all that crap while most of you haven't even lived in the ages of real nazi world. It's giving up our rights when we follow what police tells us to do? pathetic! Yeah it's giving up the rights if police tells you to go out and shoot someone, it's not giving up rights when you are instructed to follow steps to remedy a situation.
It's another rotten side of the cheese in America where people jump on and off a bandwagon too fast.
Praxis1452
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supposedly the kid was walking out and got grabbed by the officers and that's why he was screaming.
AAjax
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If you tease a Dog you might get bit. If you play with a gun you might get shot. If you make an ass of yourself when asked to do something simple that is within the SOP of your surroundings bad things might happen to you.
None of these things are pleasant but they do fall into the common sense realm. Hard to grasp for some I understand but true all the same. Its the two wrongs dont make a right scenario. Dont be caught bringing one of the wrongs to the table, you never know when someone else will show up with the other one.
ah, you want to blame the victim. If the kid would have open hand slapped the cop you would be fine with them shooting him.
when you hold a powerful position, responsibility comes with accountability.
cops have a position of authority dont get counseling for brutality, they get fired.
I could have overlooked the first time they tasered him with a way to subdue and then cuff him, but the next ones should cost them.
throw the book at them, without that tape, they would be laughing about this all night at the station.
He was already pulling the race card all along. Why else did you think he was screaming about the Patriot Act
Kind should've shown his library card, but the removal of a student from a library doesn't warrant the use of a taser.
HeroOfPellinor
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No, you get tazed when you resists arrest.....just like in many countries all over the world.
Me too.
this is why is avoided UCLA rallies, even at times when i agreed with the purpose of the rally. A handful of students always seem to take it too far
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