guru3DAMD Announces DirectX 12 Game Engine Developer Partnerships

[Arachnotronic]

I post news about many different products (from Intel, NVIDIA, Samsung, Qualcomm, etc.). My posting pattern certainly doesn't include hit and run threads with little to no text (and rare replies) concerning a single company. And I don't do this on multiple forums either, only AnandTech.

I find your postings valuable, Sweepr. Thanks for all you do.

 

[coercitiv]

I find your postings valuable, Sweepr. Thanks for all you do.

I find Sweepr's postings valuable as well, but can't help asking myself: had csbin only posted Intel or Apple related news, would either of you consistently confront him with his bias, or would you let that slide?

Either we accept all bias as diversity and debate the messages, or we condemn bias as toxic and deter all messengers equally.

csbin may have something to gain by avoiding confrontation, but he also loses a lot in communication efficiency and credibility when he does so. I can see how that can be occasionally frustrating though.

 

[Erenhardt]

Some people should take into account that he may have them on ignore list. Also nice callout.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I find Sweepr's postings valuable as well, but can't help asking myself: had csbin only posted Intel or Apple related news, would either of you consistently confront him with his bias, or would you let that slide?

Either we accept all bias as diversity and debate the messages, or we condemn bias as toxic and deter all messengers equally.

csbin may have something to gain by avoiding confrontation, but he also loses a lot in communication efficiency and credibility when he does so. I can see how that can be occasionally frustrating though.

Diversity is the opposite of bias is it not?

 

[coercitiv]

Diversity is the opposite of bias is it not?

Only when one bias is allowed.

 

[Silverforce11]

Only when one bias is allowed.

Some people...

More news and things to talk about = bad? What?

Don't like the news or story? Don't click on it. -_-

 

[BlitzWulf]

Some people...

More news and things to talk about = bad? What?

Don't like the news or story? Don't click on it. -_-

Seriously right? I mean somebody literally posted Amazons GPU top sellers page as news yesterday(not so subtle dig at AMD) and they didn't get half as much flack.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I find Sweepr's postings valuable as well, but can't help asking myself: had csbin only posted Intel or Apple related news, would either of you consistently confront him with his bias, or would you let that slide?

Either we accept all bias as diversity and debate the messages, or we condemn bias as toxic and deter all messengers equally.

csbin may have something to gain by avoiding confrontation, but he also loses a lot in communication efficiency and credibility when he does so. I can see how that can be occasionally frustrating though.

Threads to posts ratio

 

[itsmydamnation]

Threads to posts ratio

contribution to dribble ratio

 

[PPB]

contribution to dribble ratio

Non-FUD to post ratio.

The difference between csbin and the people calling him out, he mostly post news with little or no judgemental value from then. On the other hand, I see some people digging and digging for news and benchmarks that find their beloved brands being on top or in a favorable light. The guy bringing us pclab results of nfs after a week of us seeing every other bench site coming to totally different results and thus failing miserably, albeit funny, shows the tremendous underlying bias he has.

No good thing will ever come out of someone whose posting behaviour reeks confirmation bias. So in reality I prefer semi-bots just bringing news that then we can discuss of that people that try to disguise their bias under "news" and "benchmarks", and have the nerve to claim they are neutral or try to call out other members.

 

[Sweepr]

The difference between csbin and the people calling him out, he mostly post news with little or no judgemental value from then.

Posts a week old prescripted The Division CPU benchmark because a particular FX beats Skylake by 1 FPS, knowing GameGPU (and other websites usually quoted by him) shows the opposite:

【Techspot】Tom Clancy's The Division CPU Benchmarks

Selects a few GameGPU benchmarks where AMD does relatively well and doesn't update the thread since then, because lately the competitor is doing better.

【gamegpu】2016 New Game CPU Benchmarks

Surely 'little to no judgemental value' doesn't apply to non-AMD news.

intel Tick-Tock？？？

Posts a single CPU-Z pic to show off something we've known for years and disappears.
I7 6700k CPUZ

Many other examples...

No good thing will ever come out of someone whose posting behaviour reeks confirmation bias. So in reality I prefer semi-bots just bringing news that then we can discuss of that people that try to disguise their bias under "news" and "benchmarks", and have the nerve to claim they are neutral or try to call out other members.

I don't have a problem with the news he posts, forums need different people with different preferences, but you're blind if you think there's no confirmation bias here. Couldn't care less about your oppinion, many people appreciate the info I share and I'd rather do this occasionally as a hobby here in AnandTech than doing it as a full-time shill all over the internet.

I find your postings valuable, Sweepr. Thanks for all you do.

Thanks.

 

[railven]

Well this thread turned to garbage. Don't like a post, report it or ignore it. Don't like a thread, ignore it.



AMD needs to secure more devs and this is a good start. Nothing on their list excites me like 2013, but hopefully as they make more bank they'll expand to genres/franchises I prefer.

 

[krumme]

I dont read csbin post and still even havnt read the topic here as i know the result before hand.
I read your posts and threads with interest so this response is of respect of your great work here.

But excactly therefore its damn irritating for me when you post eg this pclab crap and start similar anti amd threads. So biased and onesided its incredible. I like to think you know its bs. You call it your hobby but the end result is people buying gfx that is not optimal. Why do you post/spam this biased crap? Is it to counteract the commercials from eg csbin? Imo i can do without that part and it also looks like a new pattern you didnt do prior so it should be possible to give it some slack and get back on track. Thumbs up !

 

[Sweepr]

I dont read csbin post and still even havnt read the topic here.
I read your posts and threads with interest so this response is of respect of your great work here.

...Is it to counteract the commercials from eg csbin? Imo i can do without that part and it also looks like a new pattern you didnt do prior so it should be possible to give it some slack and get back on track. Thumbs up !

Thanks for you oppinion, maybe you're right. I'll try to avoid that in future threads.

Ps: I usually quote PCLab CPU tests, didn't know they had a GPU vendor bias.

 

[Pariah]

I find Sweepr's postings valuable as well, but can't help asking myself: had csbin only posted Intel or Apple related news, would either of you consistently confront him with his bias, or would you let that slide?

I'm assuming the either people are Sweeper and myself. I have never called out csbin of any other poster about their bias, so where you are getting that I do it consistently about him I have no idea. Heed your own advice, don't call out others without the evidence to back it up.

Back to csbin, you've completely missed the point here. There is no issue with the bias, most of the posters here are clearly biased towards certain companies and product lines and the regular posters know who they are and either ignore them or laugh at them. However, practically every major message board, tech related or not, has rules against company employees promoting their products incognito. As I said earlier, csbin's posting pattern is peculiar. Why so many of you have to turn this into another defend the castle battle is beyond me.

 

[Bacon1]

Thanks for you oppinion, maybe you're right. I'll try to avoid that in future threads.

Ps: I usually quote PCLab CPU tests, didn't know they had a GPU vendor bias.

Really?

Title of post: 【PCLab】Need for Speed - Graphics Card Benchmarks

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2467752

Yet they are the only testing that shows massive Nvidia lead compared to every other test from the older thread with multiple sources: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2466527

And for your "unbiased":

And they tested stock. Max OC would look even more favourable to NVIDIA.

You also managed to find a golden sample OC'd 970 vs a minimal OC'd 390 as your "proof" that 970 OC is so much better, even when multiple other sites have shown they both OC about the same with normal cards and not golden samples.

So before you claim CSBin is biased and only posts for his agenda, look at your own as anyone here can see, they are alike.

 

[PPB]

Posts a week old prescripted The Division CPU benchmark because a particular FX beats Skylake by 1 FPS, knowing GameGPU (and other websites usually quoted by him) shows the opposite:

【Techspot】Tom Clancy's The Division CPU Benchmarks

Selects a few GameGPU benchmarks where AMD does relatively well and doesn't update the thread since then, because lately the competitor is doing better.

【gamegpu】2016 New Game CPU Benchmarks

Surely 'little to no judgemental value' doesn't apply to non-AMD news.

intel Tick-Tock？？？

Posts a single CPU-Z pic to show off something we've known for years and disappears.
I7 6700k CPUZ

Many other examples...



I don't have a problem with the news he posts, forums need different people with different preferences, but you're blind if you think there's no confirmation bias here. Couldn't care less about your oppinion, many people appreciate the info I share and I'd rather do this occasionally as a hobby here in AnandTech than doing it as a full-time shill all over the internet.




Thanks.

Okey, so at best he does the very same you do by posting "news", with the slight difference he NEVER adds onto the information provided, yet you do and try to paint the information you quote as the reality when it clearly isnt. That is the difference between just being informative and trying to pass vendor bias a reality.

I would take you criticism of him as an introspective effort to find you have the same behaviour in that regard, yet you clam yourself to have no bias. I havent heard csbin proclaim such thing about himself neither comment on other people's bias.

Also feigning ignorance regarding PCLAB wont do because you arent a freshman here and PCLAB's ridiculous bias has been discussed to death. Also as you critique csbin tendency to post 1 benchmark, I would take you dont do that and check that the information of the 1 site you always provide tends to correlate with the biggest denominator of benches done by other sites. Well that didnt happen in NFS's case, did it? :sneaky:

It's okey, you tried to pass your own bias as the truth in one thread and got shut down almost instantaneously by several posters. Either try to either get rid up of that bias if you have some decency or be more smart about it and dont try to insult our intelligence with such a bad attempt at FUDing and disguise it a bit more next time. I dont really care about your emotional values regarding certain companies, I just dont want to see this subforum polluted with FUD without filling my ignore list up.

 

[Sweepr]

So before you claim CSBin is biased and only posts for his agenda, look at your own as anyone here can see, they are alike.

Most of us have a bias/preference (me included), but as Pariah mentioned, I find it strange that his posts are usually 'drive by' copy and paste new threads, all related to AMD. As you can see I am not a bot and I take time to reply in my own threads (latest being about the new Playstation 4.5).

I would take you criticism of him as an introspective effort to find you have the same behaviour in that regard, yet you clam yourself to have no bias. I havent heard csbin proclaim such thing about himself neither comment on other people's bias.

Did I said something about being unbiased? So sad you have to make up stuff to support your personal attacks in disguise.

I dont really care about your emotional values regarding certain companies, I just dont want to see this subforum polluted with FUD without filling my ignore list up.

There's always the AMD subsection and the ignore button if you can't deal with different oppinions.

 

[Bacon1]

Most of us have a bias/preference (me included), but as Pariah mentioned, I find it strange that his posts are usually 'drive by' copy and paste new threads, all related to AMD. As you can see I am not a bot and I take time to reply in my own threads (latest being about the new Playstation 4.5).

Or maybe he just doesn't care to get tied into the inevitable garbage that all posts turn into? Look at this post, nothing is on topic thanks to you and others attacking him instead of talking about the topic itself.

 

[raghu78]

Okey, so at best he does the very same you do by posting "news", with the slight difference he NEVER adds onto the information provided, yet you do and try to paint the information you quote as the reality when it clearly isnt. That is the difference between just being informative and trying to pass vendor bias a reality.

I would take you criticism of him as an introspective effort to find you have the same behaviour in that regard, yet you clam yourself to have no bias. I havent heard csbin proclaim such thing about himself neither comment on other people's bias.

Also feigning ignorance regarding PCLAB wont do because you arent a freshman here and PCLAB's ridiculous bias has been discussed to death. Also as you critique csbin tendency to post 1 benchmark, I would take you dont do that and check that the information of the 1 site you always provide tends to correlate with the biggest denominator of benches done by other sites. Well that didnt happen in NFS's case, did it? :sneaky:

It's okey, you tried to pass your own bias as the truth in one thread and got shut down almost instantaneously by several posters. Either try to either get rid up of that bias if you have some decency or be more smart about it and dont try to insult our intelligence with such a bad attempt at FUDing and disguise it a bit more next time. I dont really care about your emotional values regarding certain companies, I just dont want to see this subforum polluted with FUD without filling my ignore list up.

well said :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Or maybe he just doesn't care to get tied into the inevitable garbage that all posts turn into? Look at this post, nothing is on topic thanks to you and others attacking him instead of talking about the topic itself.

The tendency to forget the thread topic and get into attacking the OP is something we see happening over and over and over.

 

[nurturedhate]

The tendency to forget the thread topic and get into attacking the OP is something we see happening over and over and over.

Even more so by certain individuals with a certain company bias as we approach the release of new cards. I like my VC&G Soap Operas as much as the next person but it has been a little extreme the past month or so, almost as if some people feel their position is threatened in some manner. And this thread has completely come off the rails, just like they wanted. Congrats.

Time to lock it. Can't have a positive AMD thread here.

 

[ShintaiDK]

On the AMD capsiacin Event it was mentioned that TW Warhammer comes with DX12 support. There is a video link on AMD Homepage where it is discussed. So it should have DX12 (for AMD at least ; ))

Doesn't seem to be DX12 initially.

http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_WARHAMMER_Specs

 

[Bacon1]

Doesn't seem to be DX12 initially.

http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_WARHAMMER_Specs

They seem like they are pushing it pretty hard. Its obviously a DX11 engine first, with DX12 being very new, but it looks like they are getting some good perf gains from going that route.

https://youtu.be/Z3EpI43PkQ0?t=18

and
http://www.gamersnexus.net/news-pc/2349-amd-and-total-warhammer-enter-dx12-partnership

http://www.game-debate.com/news/?news=19646

 

[AtenRa]

They have announced in AMD Capsaicin that Total War : Warhammer will be fully DX-12 compatible and it can have 10K units on the battlefield.

 

[ShintaiDK]

10K isn't impressive when you can already have 12800 units.