(Guru3D) kaby Lake i7 is another boring quad

[IndyColtsFan]

I am excited about Kaby Lake. Might finally bring down Skylake prices.

Nowadays the best deals on CPUs are Intel's previous models right when actual stores (Fry's, Microcenter) start to need to clear inventory space.

6700K prices are dropping like a rock. Slickdeals has a frontpage deal for $310 from a vendor on eBay. I think Newegg was selling them on eBay for around $325 last week.

I'd LOVE to upgrade but know I can't justify it. Looks like I'll have to wait over a year to see SKL-E.

 

[Sheep221]

amd has to focus on power consumption.

and if you haven't heard notebooks are dead.

there niche is gone.

Oh boy here we go again...it doesn't matter there are still some 300 million new computers sold each year, it doesn't matter that you can't do on smartphone or tablet practically anything beyond calling, messaging, listening to music and browse web. It doesn't matter that every major industry sector (such as economy, medicine, engineering, military, transport, entertainment, manufacturing, science,, telecommunications, astronomy, media...etc) uses computers as primary work tool. It doesn't matter that there are more and more computers everywhere. It doesn't matter anyhow to you, because you junked your grandma's core2 machine and bought her an iPad, finished, those billions of computers in the world are now useless niche market. This PC is dead crowd is getting really annoying for the past few months on these forums.

 

[frozentundra123456]

It is not just these forums, but in the popular press and even some technical press as well. But I agree. PCs and smartphones/tablets both have their place. There are some things (well a lot of things actually) that are simply much easier on a PC than a smartphone/tablet.

 

[poofyhairguy]

6700K prices are dropping like a rock. Slickdeals has a frontpage deal for $310 from a vendor on eBay. I think Newegg was selling them on eBay for around $325 last week.

That is a "fair price" but I usually only upgrade when it's a "can't say no" deal. When I can get a 5820K for $325 at Frys anything quad core needs to be sub-$300 to move into that category.

 

[DrMrLordX]

I am excited about Kaby Lake. Might finally bring down Skylake prices.

Don't count on it too much . . . a 4790k will still run you ~$320 in a lot of places.

It's more than Haswell refresh, there are actual improvements/changes to the SoCs. Haswell Refresh truly was just, "hey, let's boost the clock speeds of these Haswell chips a bit."

Don't forget the new TIM under the IHS!!!
!!
!
. . .

6700K prices are dropping like a rock. Slickdeals has a frontpage deal for $310 from a vendor on eBay. I think Newegg was selling them on eBay for around $325 last week.

I'd LOVE to upgrade but know I can't justify it. Looks like I'll have to wait over a year to see SKL-E.

What's surprising to me is that either a). the 6700k prices are coming down or b). the 4790k prices aren't. Not sure how Kabylake plays into either one of those phenomena.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Don't count on it too much . . . a 4790k will still run you ~$320 in a lot of places.

At the optimal time for purchasing it last year (aka when Frys was dumping inventory for space) it got as low as $250. I almost bought one at that price just to flip on ebay.

 

[frozentundra123456]

No surprise really. 4790k is still within spitting distance of the 6700k performance wise, and isnt as dependent on fast ram for good performance. I never understood the high initial prices for Skylake, or the supposed high demand. I still think it was mainly supply problems that kept prices high for so long.

 

[tential]

That is a "fair price" but I usually only upgrade when it's a "can't say no" deal. When I can get a 5820K for $325 at Frys anything quad core needs to be sub-$300 to move into that category.

My mobo+CPU was cheaper than these processors and I have a 4770k.
Seriously, this needs to be the go to post right here.

When the 5820k is $325.... no processor matters until they release the hexacore into the mainstream.

No surprise really. 4790k is still within spitting distance of the 6700k performance wise, and isnt as dependent on fast ram for good performance. I never understood the high initial prices for Skylake, or the supposed high demand. I still think it was mainly supply problems that kept prices high for so long.

Are there seriously people who think differently?

 

[Arachnotronic]

Are there seriously people who think differently?

A few very pro-Intel people, yes. In the real world, Intel's yields on 14nm were garbage which kept supply of 6700K very tight for a long time.

Yields are good now (not 22nm level good, but still pretty good) so 6700K is nearly at MSRP.

 

[DigDog]

this 5-10 increase is getting quite dull.

you want to stay away from the financial market

 

[escrow4]

Now I remember why I am sticking with this 5930K. Build a box that lasts and you won't upgrade for years. I'm sure VirtualLarry would disagree. :sneaky:

Even for a basic box skip the tired Pentium and the fake i3 and go to an i5.

 

[poofyhairguy]

When the 5820k is $325.... no processor matters until they release the hexacore into the mainstream.

Yup, especially when you can get a x99 mobo for $150:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128772R&cm_re=x99-_-13-128-772R-_-Product

 

[moonbogg]

I'd LOVE to upgrade but know I can't justify it. Looks like I'll have to wait over a year to see SKL-E.

Our rigs are pretty similar. It doesn't suck AT ALL does it? Nope, didn't think so

Now I remember why I am sticking with this 5930K. Build a box that lasts and you won't upgrade for years. I'm sure VirtualLarry would disagree. :sneaky:

Even for a basic box skip the tired Pentium and the fake i3 and go to an i5.

5930K will last you for !D:EVERD:!

This boring quad core crap is going to be for the birds as soon as Zen is released. Intel will have to offer more affordable 6 and 8 core chips or else they *WILL* lose a ton of people to Zen and they will bork themselves in the foot and overnight people will start recommending Zen over i7's.
Once that train gets moving good luck stopping it.

 

[jpiniero]

Intel will have to offer more affordable 6 and 8 core chips or else they *WILL* lose a ton of people to Zen and they will bork themselves in the foot and overnight people will start recommending Zen over i7's.

At least initially AMD will try to price it like the HEDT lineup, that much you can be guaranteed. Performance in games should be much better than FX but expecting miracles is just that. In a decently threaded game it (should) be faster than the i5 but i7 would be pushing it.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Our rigs are pretty similar. It doesn't suck AT ALL does it? Nope, didn't think so



5930K will last you for !D:EVERD:!

This boring quad core crap is going to be for the birds as soon as Zen is released. Intel will have to offer more affordable 6 and 8 core chips or else they *WILL* lose a ton of people to Zen and they will bork themselves in the foot and overnight people will start recommending Zen over i7's.
Once that train gets moving good luck stopping it.

As much as I complain about intel not producing a mainstream hex core, Zen is still a total unknown. If it (8 core) competes with hex core HEDT (which is what I am expecting), then it may not bring a lot of pressure on intel, unfortunately, because there is already a hex core under 400.00. (I am assuming Zen will be in short supply and expensive initially.)

But if 8 core zen can compete with 8 core BW-E then yea, things will get interesting real fast. The real threat to intel from zen though, is in servers and APUs with HBM. Even with skylake, I am not impressed with intel igpu performance compared to the die space they are giving to it.

I do agree though, that mainstream quad i7 from intel is overpriced. Basically a hundred dollars for turning on hyperthreading.

 

[chucky2]

To me, Kaby Lake will be worth the wait if the chipset can run not only Kaby Lake but Cannonlake...and perhaps even beyond.

If it can't, and it's just Kaby Lake, then Yes will truly suck...

 

[Zodiark1593]

Our rigs are pretty similar. It doesn't suck AT ALL does it? Nope, didn't think so



5930K will last you for !D:EVERD:!

This boring quad core crap is going to be for the birds as soon as Zen is released. Intel will have to offer more affordable 6 and 8 core chips or else they *WILL* lose a ton of people to Zen and they will bork themselves in the foot and overnight people will start recommending Zen over i7's.
Once that train gets moving good luck stopping it.

Considering we don't even know the performance of Zen, I'd say this is far too early to tell. If Zen is only a minor performance bump from Excavator, expect things to remain the same as ever.

That said, if Zen does live up to the Hype Train (big If), I don't imagine it will be difficult for Intel to get some hex and octa cores onto the mainstream platform, even without a new chipset if they so desire.

Even so, don't expect Zen to challenge Intel in the server space as well as you hope. Though Intel is certainly resting on it's laurels as far as the mainstream is concerned, if I remember correctly, Broadwell-E is now on 20 cores. Even in the best case scenario for Zen, the server space will be an uphill battle no matter how you put it.

 

[ehume]

The new TIM under the IHS of the 4790k compared to the 4770k means the 4790k is not heat bound the way the 4770k is. I'll also note that the gain in maturity on the 22nm process really showed. I had an early 4790k and a 4790k from a year later. Better CPU, IMO.

I had been considering getting a Kaby Lake upgrade for my kid. But she has no complaints about her i7 875k. An SSD and sequential upgrades of her GPU made the most difference. Since I have to go with dGPU's anyway, the Kaby Lake seemingly has little to offer. What a sad thing to say -- I'm looking at how many generations skipped? Six?

 

[escrow4]

The new TIM under the IHS of the 4790k compared to the 4770k means the 4790k is not heat bound the way the 4770k is. I'll also note that the gain in maturity on the 22nm process really showed. I had an early 4790k and a 4790k from a year later. Better CPU, IMO.

I had been considering getting a Kaby Lake upgrade for my kid. But she has no complaints about her i7 875k. An SSD and sequential upgrades of her GPU made the most difference. Since I have to go with dGPU's anyway, the Kaby Lake seemingly has little to offer. What a sad thing to say -- I'm looking at how many generations skipped? Six?

That 875 shows why you should get something with a bit more balls than a basic dual. Its over 5 years since its come out and its still acceptable for an allrounder (minus gaming).

 

[nenforcer]

As much as I complain about intel not producing a mainstream hex core, Zen is still a total unknown. If it (8 core) competes with hex core HEDT (which is what I am expecting), then it may not bring a lot of pressure on intel, unfortunately, because there is already a hex core under 400.00. (I am assuming Zen will be in short supply and expensive initially.)

But if 8 core zen can compete with 8 core BW-E then yea, things will get interesting real fast. The real threat to intel from zen though, is in servers and APUs with HBM. Even with skylake, I am not impressed with intel igpu performance compared to the die space they are giving to it.

I do agree though, that mainstream quad i7 from intel is overpriced. Basically a hundred dollars for turning on hyperthreading.

Yeah if AMD Zen can offer say Haswell level IPC but 8 cores of it at .16nm GF FinFET at less than $400 - then Intel mainstream platform may start to fell the pinch especially on the i3 and i5 price levels. This will probably force Intel to come out with 6 core and maybe even 8 core .10nm mainstream Cannonlake chips in 2017. I don't think Intel can justify $300 i5 Skylake / Kabylake quad cores when there is an AMD Zen 8 core sitting just above them at $350 or so.

 

[CHADBOGA]

To me, Kaby Lake will be worth the wait if the chipset can run not only Kaby Lake but Cannonlake...and perhaps even beyond.

If it can't, and it's just Kaby Lake, then Yes will truly suck...

Just Kaby & Skylake

 

[LTC8K6]

Yeah if AMD Zen can offer say Haswell level IPC but 8 cores of it at .16nm GF FinFET at less than $400 - then Intel mainstream platform may start to fell the pinch especially on the i3 and i5 price levels. This will probably force Intel to come out with 6 core and maybe even 8 core .10nm mainstream Cannonlake chips in 2017. I don't think Intel can justify $300 i5 Skylake / Kabylake quad cores when there is an AMD Zen 8 core sitting just above them at $350 or so.

They justify it now with 6 and 8 core AMD chips at half the price.

Intel would likely just need to lower prices on their 6 and 8 core chips to keep Zen in check, if that should become necessary at release.

We still have yet to see anything on Zen performance, or in what order AMD will release Zen chips.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yea, back to the great performance, low price hope from Zen. I seriously doubt we are going to get both. They may undercut intel by 50 or a hundred bucks, but I seriously doubt they are going to sell 8 core haswell performance for four hundred bucks. At least for sure not initially.

My most likely guess is that performance of 8 core zen will be competitive to hex core intel, maybe better in highly multithreaded, less in lightly threaded. If that is the case, they might sell it around 300 to 350.

A big advantage ultimately though will be that it is on the mainstream platform. Unfortunately, initially, the platform is new too so there wont be many people upgrading from a lower core count chip to top of the line Zen.

 

[tential]

I mean also the main thing with zen is I'm expecting more cores. May not be useful for gaming or something but for home server usage if zen has far more cores than Intel for the same price, even if the performance isn't the same I don't care. I mean anything above Sandy/ivy bridge is good If the core count is appealing

 

[AtenRa]

ZEN could give us 6 or 8 cores at the price of those Quad Core KabyLakes but no OEM will ever use ZEN (no iGPU) so Intel will not lower prices.

Its the ZEN APUs Intel will need to worry more but those will face 10nm Cannonlake in the mobile segment in 2H 2017 and beyond.

Also, i wouldn't expect any CannonLake 10nm Desktop SKUs in 2017.