[Guru3d] Hitman (2016) DirectX 12 updated benchmarks review

tential · Apr 30, 2016

Pinstripe said:
The GPU Bios?

Source from Steampowered as to this is how they do it? That they combine the R9 300/R9 200 series...

Pinstripe said:
Counted as 200 series, since they're using the identical chips (Tonga and Hawaii).

Also are you saying Tonga and Hawaii are identical?

linkgoron · Apr 30, 2016

I don't really see how you can take that poll seriously. Do you really think there are more AMD Radeon HD 4670,AMD Radeon HD 4350 or NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 or SiS Mirage 3 cards than r9 390?

Also, what happens if you have multiple computers? For example I believe that I answered the poll with my laptop (960m) however on my main desktop PC I have a 390. How should the poll treat me?

Pinstripe · Apr 30, 2016

tential said:
Source from Steampowered as to this is how they do it? That they combine the R9 300/R9 200 series...

Also are you saying Tonga and Hawaii are identical?

Steam collects the data based on GPU id. And yes, Tonga and Hawaii are the chips used across the R9 200 and 300 series.

Questions?

tential · Apr 30, 2016

Pinstripe said:
Steam collects the data based on GPU id. And yes, Tonga and Hawaii are the chips used across the R9 200 and 300 series.

Questions?

Can you link me to a Tonga GPU and a Hawaii GPU please?
Hint: Tonga and Hawaii are not remotely identical.... But I'd love a source saying they were if you'd like to make such a silly claim.

Source on steam collecting data based on "GPU ID". Where is steam identifying this GPU "ID" from? Sources? Any specifics?
Like what are the exact GPU IDs that allow Tonga and Hawaii GPUs to be grouped together?

parkerface · Apr 30, 2016

Three steam accounts in my house, all created in 2003-2004. I've seen the hardware survey one time. Once!

It's cringeworthy to see how many times the Steam hardware survey is used to justify bad claims.

Why? 'Cause statistics.

linkgoron · Apr 30, 2016

BTW when running a survey (run: steam://takesurvey/4/ ) I get this:

Video Card:
Driver: AMD Radeon (TM) R9 390 Series

DirectX Driver Name: aticfx32.dll
Driver Version: 16.150.2211.0
DirectX Driver Version: 8.17.10.1452
Driver Date: 21 Mar 2016
OpenGL Version: 4.5
Desktop Color Depth: 32 bits per pixel
Monitor Refresh Rate: 60 Hz
DirectX Card: AMD Radeon (TM) R9 390 Series
VendorID: 0x1002
DeviceID: 0x67b1
Number of Monitors: 1
Number of Logical Video Cards: 1
No SLI or Crossfire Detected
Primary Display Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Desktop Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Primary Display Size: 20.75" x 11.65" (23.78" diag)
52.7cm x 29.6cm (60.4cm diag)
Primary Bus Type Not Detected
Primary VRAM Not Detected

EDIT:
Oh, apparently I could've just clicked on help->system information

Pinstripe · Apr 30, 2016

tential said:
Can you link me to a Tonga GPU and a Hawaii GPU please?

Source on steam collecting data based on "GPU ID". Where is steam identifying this GPU "ID" from? Sources?

Learn to read. Steam lists the "series". FYI, that includes the whole patch of different cards within the series.

tential · Apr 30, 2016

Pinstripe said:
Learn to read. Steam lists the "series". FYI, that includes the whole patch of different cards within the series.

So still no evidence showing how the R9 300 can be categorized by Steam as the R9 200 other than your own educated guess.
No source or anything...

Common theme in this thread.
"Steam says this"
"Where does it say that?"
"excuses...."

Pinstripe · Apr 30, 2016

Either Steam doesn't detect it then (unlikely), or it's bundled together with 200 series. Take your pick. Either way, a sad state of affairs for AMD.

tential · Apr 30, 2016

Pinstripe said:
Either Steam doesn't detect it then (unlikely), or it's bundled together with 200 series. Take your pick. Either way, a sad state of affairs for AMD.

This post can be summed up with "I don't know and never did know".

Pinstripe · Apr 30, 2016

You can calm down now tential. Don't get your panties into a twist over some unclear marketshare data. We all know who the king is in that regard.

TypoFairy© · Apr 30, 2016

Pinstripe said:
You can calm down now tential. Don't get your panties into a twist over some unclear marketshare data. We all know who the king is in that regard.

Yes yes intel is king long live intergrated graphics

Pinstripe · Apr 30, 2016

Good. Intel deserves their top spot. They have earned it.

airfathaaaaa · Apr 30, 2016

Pinstripe said:
Counted as 200 series, since they're using the identical chips (Tonga and Hawaii).

you do know that steam survey had the 3xx series and removed them to fix a glitch eh
its been months that they said they will "fix" it..you should have known that but meh obviously its easy to say "listed as 2xx"

airfathaaaaa · Apr 30, 2016

Pinstripe said:
Steam collects the data based on GPU id. And yes, Tonga and Hawaii are the chips used across the R9 200 and 300 series.

Questions?

you do know the bios on the 3xx is different eh they dont have the same id especially the aftermarket ones..

tential · Apr 30, 2016

Pinstripe said:
You can calm down now tential. Don't get your panties into a twist over some unclear marketshare data. We all know who the king is in that regard.

Hey, at least you're willing to admit it's unclear and you don't know for sure and are willing to give what you BELIEVE to be the case.

I don't know either, and I ran into the same problems when I used to use Steampowered surveys to back my arguments, which is why I stopped.

However, if you are willing to backtrack some of your statements and be as unclear as possible and not answer any direct questions, you could be the king in that regard.

nvgpu · Apr 30, 2016

http://www.techpowerup.com/222100/hitman-episode-two-update-breaks-directx-12-support

If you bought this garbage of a poor coded DX12 game, your got what you asked for.

PhonakV30 · Apr 30, 2016

Yes it's garbage because it's nerfed GTX 980TI.

Maverick177 · Apr 30, 2016

Yeah a game is hot garbage when the 980Ti loses to Fury X and the 390. Samething can be said to Witcher 3, GTA V, almost all games use UE Engine.

Magee_MC · May 1, 2016

Pinstripe said:
Counted as 200 series, since they're using the identical chips (Tonga and Hawaii).

And Fiji chips? Where are they?

ShintaiDK · May 1, 2016

Magee_MC said:
And Fiji chips? Where are they?

I doubt they could even break the entry barrier to be listed and sits among "other", unlike the GTX980TI with 0.89%.

airfathaaaaa · May 1, 2016

Magee_MC said:
And Fiji chips? Where are they?

combined with hd3850 obviously

linkgoron · May 1, 2016

Magee_MC said:
And Fiji chips? Where are they?

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey?platform=pc

Looking into the results, you can actually find Fury cards.
If you look into "DirectX 10 Systems (Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 with DX 10/11/12 GPU)" you can actually find "AMD Radeon R9 Fury 0.04%".
Seems kind of low, to me, but they're there.

BTW, the only 3 series I could find was the "AMD Radeon R7 360" with "0.13%" marketshare, so apparently according to some users here it was probably the most successful card in the 3XX line, which would obviously explain why Polaris is going for midrange/low-end and not high-end.

ShintaiDK · May 1, 2016

To put things into perspective.

DX12 with Windows 10.
0.04% Fury
0.67% GTX980TI

Vulkan
0.08% Fury
1.72% GTX980TI

Fury was a bad seller.

Gikaseixas · May 1, 2016

Pinstripe said:
unclear marketshare

ShintaiDK even your buddy here admits it, just give up.

I have 5 PC's in my household and i took the survey once. I have mostly AMD GPU's powered machines an none was offered a survey.

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