guns

[deadlyapp]

I condone gun use... Just saying. You can have a lot of fun with a gun without killing something.

I meant gun use in a violent sense, like he mentioned.


By no means do I want to shoot someone, and I don't think any responsible gun owner wants to shoot someone, but we know theres a chance of it, otherwise we wouldn't carry or warrant home defense.

Target shooting is different IMO. Same with hunting. I didn't mean to lump those two into "gun use"

 

[Cogman]

Everybody should learn safety and how to shoot.

Yep, the world would be a better place if everyone learned the lesson "Don't point the gun at something you don't want to destroy". This goes for any potential weapon (IG a knife).

 

[nick1985]

BTW, hiromizu, what is your current plan for home invasion?

 

[shortylickens]

Maybe it's my cultural background but I find it amazing that you actually skip the whole part where a good idea is NOT to promote GUN use but instead to teach a child a proper method of handling a GUN as if it's socially acceptable. Hilarious, outrageous and quite simply, extraordinary. I really do value our differences in morality and rationale and I'm not saying you're wrong but I think you should all put your thinking caps on a bit and brainstorm about how you can contribute to society instead. I feel like we're living in the Wild West in a civilization that needs positive social progression.

It is definitely your cultural background.
But in America we also have many people who absolutely despise guns and wish to know nothing of them. At least you think about guns and make assumptions, even if they are completely wrong.

 

[Cogman]

I meant gun use in a violent sense, like he mentioned.


By no means do I want to shoot someone, and I don't think any responsible gun owner wants to shoot someone, but we know theres a chance of it, otherwise we wouldn't carry or warrant home defense.

Target shooting is different IMO. Same with hunting. I didn't mean to lump those two into "gun use"

Gotcha. I don't really have a problem with gun owners that have their guns with protection either. I'm just saying some people have this extreme taboo about guns where in their world nothing good can come from them.

I (obviously) don't condone the reckless endangerment of another life. However, I do support someones right to defend themselves and their property with any means necessary. If that involves a gun, then having everyone trained in how to handle said gun can only result in more safety for everyone.

 

[hiromizu]

Now I'm confused. Nobody here condoned gun use, only teaching the proper safety skills. If you grow up in a household with firearms, it's only natural that you know how to properly handle them if for some reason you were in that sort of situation. If you keep a firearm near where you sleep, like most firearms owners do, and your son/daughter walked in, you would want him/her to know how to respect it and what not to do. Otherwise you get shot by your kid accidentally like we've heard in the news.

You should move to a foreign country where you don't have to worry about guns in our society. You're the kind of person who would shit a brick if you saw me walking around open carrying.

I wouldn't shit bricks as I live and work in NYC where there are police officers and sometimes MP standing around with rifles like AR-15s to protect people from terrorists and other criminals. I know how to shoot and have shot some larger caliber guns. Perhaps where you live it may be a necessity where there are no officers in sight and criminals could take advantage of that scarcity but where I come from and currently live, it's a) illegal and b) no need nor demand for such things and would be an absolute nightmare should they become legal and socially acceptable. Think about it..millions of people from different countries and cultures carrying weapons in a mingled state..a very bad idea..

That said, my original post was a bit of a sarcastic post and I was hoping you'd all get that. I'm not as anti-gun as I pretend to be. I can see their needs and uses and they are definitely fun but I do see pretty extreme arguments made for them that justifies equally extreme arguments against them to make a strong statement. In other words, I'm just dicking around

 

[deadlyapp]

Fuckin trolls.

 

[nick1985]

I wouldn't shit bricks as I live and work in NYC where there are police officers and sometimes MP standing around with rifles like AR-15s to protect people from terrorists and other criminals.

So you are OK with the government having rifles, but you dont like citizens having them?

 

[Cogman]

So you are OK with the government having rifles, but you dont like citizens having them?

He's a troll, ignore him.

 

[hiromizu]

BTW, hiromizu, what is your current plan for home invasion?

I don't need one. I have a doorman and live in a hipster area (yea THOSE fruity looking hipsters) where guns are certainly not acceptable. If I drop a wallet, someone would pick it up and rush to give it back. I worry and spend my energy doing work so that I can continue living this way.

 

[nick1985]

I don't need one. I have a doorman and live in a hipster area (yea THOSE fruity looking hipsters) where guns are certainly not acceptable. If I drop a wallet, someone would pick it up and rush to give it back. I worry and spend my energy doing work so that I can continue living this way.

Ah, so you ARE a troll. Gotcha.


How about we trade off Constitutional rights. I'll get rid of my guns, and you never say another word in your life. Deal?

 

[hiromizu]

So you are OK with the government having rifles, but you dont like citizens having them?

Are you planning on having an armed fight with officers who are far more trained and heavily armed? Do you really think you have time to train and have the money to equip yourself well enough to be a protector of civilians?

I work, pay taxes and vote for a gov that consumes the money, distributes it to public programs and regulates a somewhat functional social framework that I live in and accept that as reality. A passive mentality that doesn't change anything perhaps but I'm not going to be stupid and pretend like I'm some hiro.

 

[nick1985]

Are you planning on having an armed fight with officers who are far more trained and heavily armed? Do you really think you have time to train and have the money to equip yourself well enough to be a protector of civilians?

No, but I do plan on being able to defend myself against threats.

I work, pay taxes and vote for a gov that consumes the money, distributes it to public programs and regulates a somewhat functional social framework that I live in and accept that as reality. A passive mentality that doesn't change anything perhaps but I'm not going to be stupid and pretend like I'm some hiro.

Must be an Obama supporter

 

[hiromizu]

Ah, so you ARE a troll. Gotcha.


How about we trade off Constitutional rights. I'll get rid of my guns, and you never say another word in your life. Deal?

What are you talking about? I already said I was just dicking around with the gun stuff but I really do live that way.

I think the constitution should be re-written from the ground up because for the most part it's pretty irrelevant to the requirements of a global era.

 

[hiromizu]

Must be an Obama supporter

FAR from it my friend I'm an ultra capitalist that accepts the reality and necessities of socialist ideals.

 

[mizzou]

15 is sort of old to start "hunter safety"

better late then never

 

[nick1985]

Check out these quacks

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."

George Washington

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."

Thomas Jefferson


"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Ben Franklin

 

[nick1985]

I think the constitution should be re-written from the ground up

Ah, the truth comes out!

 

[hiromizu]

Ah, the truth comes out!

...well it was written over 200 years ago when we were doing pretty good as a self sustaining economy. A lot of things have changed since in my opinion.

 

[nick1985]

...well it was written over 200 years ago when we were doing pretty good as a self sustaining economy. A lot of things have changed since in my opinion.

Do you know what a living document is? How about amendments?

 

[hiromizu]

Do you know what a living document is? How about amendments?

I do and yes, amendments are fine. I just think it needs a ground up refreshment to better reflect today's needs, much like maintaining the structure of a building but re-renovating the lobby and interiors. I don't have anything specific in mind but I'll leave that up to the pros, such as yourself perhaps : )

 

[Triumph]

what are the pros and cons of showing a 15 yo how to handle a gun?

This is like asking, "What are the pros and cons of showing a 15 yo how to handle a fire extinguisher?"

 

[hiromizu]

This is like asking, "What are the pros and cons of showing a 15 yo how to handle a fire extinguisher?"

That's exactly right. Except one is designed to do something good - extinguish dangerous fires and the other to kill people but otherwise a fantastic analogy :thumbsdown: Your and idiot :biggrin:

 

[nick1985]

That's exactly right. Except one is designed to do something good - extinguish dangerous fires and the other to kill people but otherwise a fantastic analogy :thumbsdown: Your and idiot :biggrin:

You're*


idiot.


And the purpose of both is to defend your home.

 

[Triumph]

That's exactly right. Except one is designed to do something good - extinguish dangerous fires and the other to kill people but otherwise a fantastic analogy :thumbsdown: Your and idiot :biggrin:

My and idiot? What?