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slimrhcp

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: Motorheader
Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: Motorheader
GNR coming - no one cares!! Axl will show up late, lose his voice, slap-fight with someone, blah blah blah, yawn yawn yawn.


If you bothered to read any of the reviews from shows dating back to May of this year you'd be eating your words about now.

You're kidding, right. Some of their original stuff was epic, but 15 years is a couple of lifetimes in music and musical trends. Did you happen to catch it when they closed the MTV awards show a couple of years back? What a boring burn out retread that was. He couldn't carry a note and his voice was toasted - and they weren't even touring at the time.

Pffft...reviewers, record promoters, tour promoters. They are all in the same boat - money and how much can be milked from the past. Axl bought the rights to a name/product and is milking it for all it's worth. The significance of GnR touring now is right up there with the American Idol Tour coming to a town near you.

A fan of GnR past.

Okay, have you heard any of the new songs? If so, then you'll realize that all of the "epic songs" were almost entirely composed by Axl.

As far as the 02 vma debacle goes, the problem was Axl couldn't hear his voice during Welcome to the Jungle. If you watch the video of it, you'll notice him trying to adjust his earphone. By the time they were playing the second song, he was on key, and sounded good.

What do reporters have to gain from giving the new GNR a positive review?

The reason Axl bought the name was because he wanted to ensure that the name they made would live on no matter what. It's not hard to see why Axl was worried when you think about the substance abuse problems in the band (ie Duff, Slash, Izzy, and Matt) after what happened with Steven Adler.

If you took the time to listen to GNR before, what is it going to cost you to listen to some of the new songs?
First of all, Axl is a nut case, period. His history proves this beyond all shadow of a doubt, even some antics on this current tour.
He is the reason that Chinese Democracy, which is mostly crap, hasn't come out yet.
Bob Ezrin was called in to give an opinion on C.D. and told Axl he had maybe 2 good songs.
Axl went ballistic, supposedly...not surprising.

Axl bought the GnR name so he could have control....and he isn't capable of having control. That's why no new music.
That's why the real GnR is defunct.

And I heard the 02 VMA's...Axl sounded like he always does live. I've heard numerous recordings from the current tour of varying quality...and the one thing that doesn't vary is that Axl's voice is about the same as it was 12-14 years ago...hit or miss.

I don't think he's ever sang Sweet Child good live. Always sounds like a frog singing that song.
He's very erratic on other live songs. Just like always.


I'm not going to debate his mental status with you. How would you know if Chinese Democracy is crap? Are you privy to information that very few others are?

Bob Ezrin got involved on the project at horrible time for the band, when Robin left to go back with NIN, so to say the new GNR was a low point would be a safe assumption.

Once again, if you've heard various recordings from the current tour, you're in a lucky position considering no bootlegs have popped up on any of the GNR message boards.

Like I said in a previous post, if you read any of the reviews you would at least respect his performances of late.

I won't deny that GNR looked like crap in 02, but this year is a much different story.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Motorheader

You're kidding, right. Some of their original stuff was epic, but 15 years is a couple of lifetimes in music and musical trends. .[/b]

15 years doesn't have to be much.

The Rolling Stones put out good stuff after 15 years. So did The Who. And Aerosmith. And the Moody Blues. And Bob Dylan. And The Kinks.
 

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Ever think about the fact that Axl and Dizzy were the only two members of the band without a substance abuse problem? .


Huh? It's well known that Axl did have a substance abuse problem.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: Motorheader
Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: Motorheader
First of all, Axl is a nut case, period. His history proves this beyond all shadow of a doubt, even some antics on this current tour.
He is the reason that Chinese Democracy, which is mostly crap, hasn't come out yet.
Bob Ezrin was called in to give an opinion on C.D. and told Axl he had maybe 2 good songs.
Axl went ballistic, supposedly...not surprising.

Axl bought the GnR name so he could have control....and he isn't capable of having control. That's why no new music.
That's why the real GnR is defunct.

And I heard the 02 VMA's...Axl sounded like he always does live. I've heard numerous recordings from the current tour of varying quality...and the one thing that doesn't vary is that Axl's voice is about the same as it was 12-14 years ago...hit or miss.

I don't think he's ever sang Sweet Child good live. Always sounds like a frog singing that song.
He's very erratic on other live songs. Just like always.


I'm not going to debate his mental status with you. How would you know if Chinese Democracy is crap? Are you privy to information that very few others are?

Bob Ezrin got involved on the project at horrible time for the band, when Robin left to go back with NIN, so to say the new GNR was a low point would be a safe assumption.

Once again, if you've heard various recordings from the current tour, you're in a lucky position considering no bootlegs have popped up on any of the GNR message boards.

Like I said in a previous post, if you read any of the reviews you would at least respect his performances of late.

I won't deny that GNR looked like crap in 02, but this year is a much different story.
As I stated before, varying quality video and audio of this year's tour can easily be found. Axl sounds like he always has, since they got popular basically.
I have some old school boots, on VINYL no less, plus some practice tapes from back in the day, and he hasn't sounded like that live since before Appetite.

How do I know CD is crap? Where have you been? There have been several songs available from that album for years, not to mention live boots of them being performed, and they all suck.

Irrelevant when Bob Ezrin got involved....bottom line was, the songs weren't there. That's also how I know the songs sucked. Doesn't matter what was going on in the band...the songs were already on tape. And they already sucked.

As far as Axl's performances of late go, I'm not saying he sucks....just that he's no better than he's ever been. Which is okay, I guess.

Just don't go raving about how good they are. It's Axl, singing like he has for the last 15 years, with a different band, that's all.
 
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Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: LikeLinus
Slash isn't touring with them is he?


Slash walked out on the band in 1995/6. He's great no doubt, but he's the one that didn't want to work things out.

He basically said he will never speak with Axl again.

Oh, and I guess Axl's voice isn't there anymore.

So have fun at the show!
 

Motorheader

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: Motorheader
Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: Motorheader
First of all, Axl is a nut case, period. His history proves this beyond all shadow of a doubt, even some antics on this current tour.
He is the reason that Chinese Democracy, which is mostly crap, hasn't come out yet.
Bob Ezrin was called in to give an opinion on C.D. and told Axl he had maybe 2 good songs.
Axl went ballistic, supposedly...not surprising.

Axl bought the GnR name so he could have control....and he isn't capable of having control. That's why no new music.
That's why the real GnR is defunct.

And I heard the 02 VMA's...Axl sounded like he always does live. I've heard numerous recordings from the current tour of varying quality...and the one thing that doesn't vary is that Axl's voice is about the same as it was 12-14 years ago...hit or miss.

I don't think he's ever sang Sweet Child good live. Always sounds like a frog singing that song.
He's very erratic on other live songs. Just like always.


I'm not going to debate his mental status with you. How would you know if Chinese Democracy is crap? Are you privy to information that very few others are?

Bob Ezrin got involved on the project at horrible time for the band, when Robin left to go back with NIN, so to say the new GNR was a low point would be a safe assumption.

Once again, if you've heard various recordings from the current tour, you're in a lucky position considering no bootlegs have popped up on any of the GNR message boards.

Like I said in a previous post, if you read any of the reviews you would at least respect his performances of late.

I won't deny that GNR looked like crap in 02, but this year is a much different story.
As I stated before, varying quality video and audio of this year's tour can easily be found. Axl sounds like he always has, since they got popular basically.
I have some old school boots, on VINYL no less, plus some practice tapes from back in the day, and he hasn't sounded like that live since before Appetite.

How do I know CD is crap? Where have you been? There have been several songs available from that album for years, not to mention live boots of them being performed, and they all suck.

Irrelevant when Bob Ezrin got involved....bottom line was, the songs weren't there. That's also how I know the songs sucked. Doesn't matter what was going on in the band...the songs were already on tape. And they already sucked.

As far as Axl's performances of late go, I'm not saying he sucks....just that he's no better than he's ever been. Which is okay, I guess.

Just don't go raving about how good they are. It's Axl, singing like he has for the last 15 years, with a different band, that's all.

Izzy got out while the getting was good - whether he got the boot or not. He was also the primary music/song writer of their BEST stuff. That's why they flamed in 5 years - Axl's mental state and ego, band member turnover, and lack of continuity that results from it.
 

Dean

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Well some people still have faith in him. They Sold out the Metro Centre in Halifax(my home town) for Nov 20th in a mere few days. It is a 10,000 seat arena.

From what I gathered from the concerts they had so far is at first they sucked and had no legs and Axl had no voice. As they played their warmup tour in Europe they really came together and started sounding great. Axl got his voice back and all who attended their shows had a great time.

I guess time will tell how well this will turn out.



 

DarkKnight69

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Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Is anyone here planning on seeing GNR on tour in the next couple months? I'm going in a couple weeks with fellow ATOTer ShortSpanishGuy to see them at the MCI Center in Baltimore.

Please refrain from making any comments relating to Slash in this thread.

We preordered our tickets when they hit Edmonton...
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: slimrhcp

I'm not going to debate his mental status with you. How would you know if Chinese Democracy is crap? Are you privy to information that very few others are?

Bob Ezrin got involved on the project at horrible time for the band, when Robin left to go back with NIN, so to say the new GNR was a low point would be a safe assumption.

Once again, if you've heard various recordings from the current tour, you're in a lucky position considering no bootlegs have popped up on any of the GNR message boards.

Like I said in a previous post, if you read any of the reviews you would at least respect his performances of late.

I won't deny that GNR looked like crap in 02, but this year is a much different story.

Chinese Democracy IS crap. Feel free to download the "Whenever It's Done" bootleg, which is 10 songs from Chinese Democracy. It's got MAYBE 1-2 good songs. The rest are utter BS. As I said, Robin Finch was a good guitarist for NIN, but he is NOT a good lead guitarist. The songs are generic with no soul.

As far as his "performances of late" - Axl hasn't changed at all.


On June 11, 2006, Guns N' Roses headlined the Download Festival in Donington Park, England. Within the first half hour of the show; Axl had become annoyed with the quality of the sound and had also lost his footing almost causing him to fall due to the "slippery stage". After briefly leaving and returning the set mid song, throwing the microphone on the floor, yelling at the crowd for throwing a waterbottle at him, insulting a security guard and then finally exiting the stage citing technical difficulties while leaving Bumblefoot to play an instrumental of the song 'Don't Cry', he returned on stage with tennis shoes on (he was previously wearing boots), announced that he had some old friends to bring out, and was joined by Izzy Stradlin to play "Used to Love Her". Stradlin left and returned on stage multiple times, for "Patience", and the final number "Paradise City". During the night, Axl was also joined by Sebastian Bach and together they sang "My Michelle".

On July 19, 2006, At a show in Newcastle, England, Axl walked off-stage during the performance of "Nightrain" after what was alleged to be a £1 coin was thrown on to the stage directly at him. Rose addressed the crowd off-stage and informed them that any person caught throwing objects at him or any other members of the band must be ejected from the auditorium. The band returned to the stage to finish the song after which Rose declared "The show is over", the band departed and the house lights were resumed.

On June 27, 2006, Axl was arrested in Stockholm, Sweden, after an early morning altercation in his hotel lobby with hotel security. Axl is alleged to have bitten a security guard's leg and shattered an antique lobby mirror while in a drunken rage.

In May 2006, Rose had a close encounter with Tommy Hilfiger at the Plumm in New York City. Hilfiger reportedly took a couple of swings at Rose, before being carried away by his own security guards. Rose made the claim that the attack began when Rose moved the drink of Hilfiger's girlfriend so that it wouldn't spill. [7]

In March 2006 Axl Rose's lawyer released the following statement: "In October of 2005 Slash made an unannounced 5:30 AM visit to Axl Rose's house. Not appearing to be under the influence, Slash came to inform Axl that: 'Duff was spineless,' 'Scott Weiland was a fraud,' that he 'hates Matt Sorum' and that in this ongoing war, contest or whatever anyone wants to call it that Slash has waged against Axl for the better part of 20 years, that Axl has proven himself 'the stronger.' Based on his conduct in showing up at Rose's home, Axl was hopeful that Slash would live up to his pronouncements that he wanted to end the war and move on with life. Unfortunately that did not prove to be the case."

This guy is a real class act.

"Axl Rose was in trouble numerous times with the police and was arrested over twenty times on charges such as public drunkenness and assault."

"Desperately poor, the fledgling band struggled to survive in the streets of LA. Allegedly, Rose and Stradlin even sold drugs for petty cash. According to Rose, they manipulated women for their money, an example being at a party at an unnamed woman's house and while one band member had sex with the woman, the others would raid her wallet for the little cash they could salvage."

Yeah Izzy and Axl were completely clean and sober. It's been noted before that Axl was/is an alcoholic and has used drugs. I don't know about currently, but you're acting like axl is some stand up guy.
 

Cobalt

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Originally posted by: Dean
Well some people still have faith in him. They Sold out the Metro Centre in Halifax(my home town) for Nov 20th in a mere few days. It is a 10,000 seat arena.

From what I gathered from the concerts they had so far is at first they sucked and had no legs and Axl had no voice. As they played their warmup tour in Europe they really came together and started sounding great. Axl got his voice back and all who attended their shows had a great time.

I guess time will tell how well this will turn out.

Axl sounded good from the first show in New York in May.
 

Dean

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Originally posted by: LikeLinus/B]

In May 2006, Rose had a close encounter with Tommy Hilfiger at the Plumm in New York City. Hilfiger reportedly took a couple of swings at Rose, before being carried away by his own security guards. Rose made the claim that the attack began when Rose moved the drink of Hilfiger's girlfriend so that it wouldn't spill. [7]



Well from the looks at this one anyway, it looks like Tommy was the retard.

The rest well, well that is Axl!haha
 

LikeLinus

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Originally posted by: Dean
Originally posted by: LikeLinus

In May 2006, Rose had a close encounter with Tommy Hilfiger at the Plumm in New York City. Hilfiger reportedly took a couple of swings at Rose, before being carried away by his own security guards. Rose made the claim that the attack began when Rose moved the drink of Hilfiger's girlfriend so that it wouldn't spill. [7]


Well from the looks at this one anyway, it looks like Tommy was the retard.

The rest well, well that is Axl!haha

Well I'm pretty sure there's more to that story. I don't see why anyone would start swinging for moving a drink :) He probably hit on her or something.

Either way, Axl is axl. He's always into something.

They've had their 15 mins. They put out some great albums, but that was 15 years ago. Let it die guys. It's over.
 

slimrhcp

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Ever think about the fact that Axl and Dizzy were the only two members of the band without a substance abuse problem? .


Huh? It's well known that Axl did have a substance abuse problem.


Axl never went to rehab numerous times like Matt did.

Axl's spleen didn't burst like Duff's did.

Axl never ODed on heroin like Slash did.

Axl never had any of the problems that Steven did.

I never said Axl didn't do any drugs or drink, but he knew how to control his indulgences. Axl actually quit the band a couple of times because the rest of the guys were out of control.
 

slimrhcp

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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

As I stated before, varying quality video and audio of this year's tour can easily be found. Axl sounds like he always has, since they got popular basically.
I have some old school boots, on VINYL no less, plus some practice tapes from back in the day, and he hasn't sounded like that live since before Appetite.

How do I know CD is crap? Where have you been? There have been several songs available from that album for years, not to mention live boots of them being performed, and they all suck.

Irrelevant when Bob Ezrin got involved....bottom line was, the songs weren't there. That's also how I know the songs sucked. Doesn't matter what was going on in the band...the songs were already on tape. And they already sucked.

As far as Axl's performances of late go, I'm not saying he sucks....just that he's no better than he's ever been. Which is okay, I guess.

Just don't go raving about how good they are. It's Axl, singing like he has for the last 15 years, with a different band, that's all.

I'm fine with you saying that Axl sounds like he always has. Consistency isn't a bad thing. I have the old school boots as well. His voice is amazing on the vinyl version of Don't Cry. I think he's still capable of that sound but he chooses not to sing that way. He's never used the voice he used in the Don't Cry demo live or on an album. He prefers the raspy style.

Granted there are a couple of throw away songs from CD. However, the leaks are another story. IRS, Catcher in the Rye, and There Was a Time seem to almost pick up where Illusions left off. Better, which will likely be the first single off CD is a completely new sound.

Brian May is a huge fan of CD, so his word is good enough for me.
 

Pacfanweb

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Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

As I stated before, varying quality video and audio of this year's tour can easily be found. Axl sounds like he always has, since they got popular basically.
I have some old school boots, on VINYL no less, plus some practice tapes from back in the day, and he hasn't sounded like that live since before Appetite.

How do I know CD is crap? Where have you been? There have been several songs available from that album for years, not to mention live boots of them being performed, and they all suck.

Irrelevant when Bob Ezrin got involved....bottom line was, the songs weren't there. That's also how I know the songs sucked. Doesn't matter what was going on in the band...the songs were already on tape. And they already sucked.

As far as Axl's performances of late go, I'm not saying he sucks....just that he's no better than he's ever been. Which is okay, I guess.

Just don't go raving about how good they are. It's Axl, singing like he has for the last 15 years, with a different band, that's all.

I'm fine with you saying that Axl sounds like he always has. Consistency isn't a bad thing. I have the old school boots as well. His voice is amazing on the vinyl version of Don't Cry. I think he's still capable of that sound but he chooses not to sing that way. He's never used the voice he used in the Don't Cry demo live or on an album. He prefers the raspy style.

Granted there are a couple of throw away songs from CD. However, the leaks are another story. IRS, Catcher in the Rye, and There Was a Time seem to almost pick up where Illusions left off. Better, which will likely be the first single off CD is a completely new sound.

Brian May is a huge fan of CD, so his word is good enough for me.
I could care less what Brian May thinks.

I have boots from WAY older than "Don't Cry". I'm talking back before they were popular.
I doubt you have those, unless you were a big fan back in 87-88 like I was, and went to record shows to get them.
That's when Axl really sounded good.
I have yet to hear a good version of Sweet Child live. Ever. Even on the live album a few years ago, he sounded like absolute crap. I started to wonder if he hated the song and intentionally found the worst possible version.

And picking up where the UYI's left off isn't necessarily a good thing. Between the two UYI albums, there was enough good material for one good album.
Lots of crap on those two discs.
That was when Axl started to get control, and that's why they took 3 years to come up with those two discs....and remember, some of those songs were old and dated back to before they did Appetite. So they didn't even write all that material after Appetite and it STILL took freaking forever.

Well, that was considered forever until the current drought between new material.

Axl is a complete and total moron. He hasn't changed a bit, and he is TOTALLY the reason that the orignal GnR broke up.

Maybe the other members had some problems, but they weren't ever the ones who caused a delay in the start of a show, didn't show up for a show, didn't show up to record new material, etc.

That was all Axl.
 

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I saw GNR last Wednesday in Tampa... and all I can say is WOW, that show kicked ass! I really doubted the ability of Axl to deliver, let alone show up for the gig..but he did.

check out www.newgnr.com for some great clips, etc. I am looking forward to the new album... Better is my favorite new song he played that night.
 

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Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: slimrhcp
Ever think about the fact that Axl and Dizzy were the only two members of the band without a substance abuse problem? .


Huh? It's well known that Axl did have a substance abuse problem.


Axl never went to rehab numerous times like Matt did.

Axl's spleen didn't burst like Duff's did.

Axl never ODed on heroin like Slash did.

Axl never had any of the problems that Steven did.

I never said Axl didn't do any drugs or drink, but he knew how to control his indulgences. Axl actually quit the band a couple of times because the rest of the guys were out of control.

FYI, the lyrics to Coma were written by Axl about his drug induced, suicide motivated, actual coma.
 

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I'm going to the December 2nd show at the Target Center in MN. It should be a good show.
 

Genx87

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Ok who besides Axl from the original band is on this tour?

I actually started listening to GnR again a couple of weeks back and they had some serious talent.

 

spacelord

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The only member that existed in GNR back from Use Your Illusion is Dizzy Reed on Keyboards.

I would have loved to see Slash or Matt Sorum on tour with Axl.. but it just aint going to happen, and the current lineup is pretty good, with 3 guitarists who are all quite excellent. I just don't understand the need for 2 keyboardists.
 

Cobalt

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Originally posted by: spacelord
The only member that existed in GNR back from Use Your Illusion is Dizzy Reed on Keyboards.

I would have loved to see Slash or Matt Sorum on tour with Axl.. but it just aint going to happen, and the current lineup is pretty good, with 3 guitarists who are all quite excellent. I just don't understand the need for 2 keyboardists.

The second keyboardist isn't actually a keyboardist. Chris Pitman does all the effects/synth.