Guns Definitely Aren't the Problem (Obligatory Sarcasm) - 11y/o Bystander Killed by Stray Bullet

[vi edit]

Keep bleating responsibility. This is so much more systemic than that. Income inequality makes people do drastic and irrational things.

 

[MrSquished]

1. Training.
2. Much stricter regulations.

example: Switzerland Gun Laws: Why the Country Has Fewer Gun Deaths Than the US (businessinsider.com)

Switzerland is a terrible example because it's a very tiny homogeneous nation but you did give the answer

Strict regulation.

But apparently God has only blessed America with unreasonable people in regards to guns

 

[vi edit]

I'm not sure you could pick a *worse* country to compare the US to than Switzerland.

Is Switzerland a utopia of wealth distribution?

It's been said that Switzerland is a less socialist but more successful utopia than Scandinavia. Is there any truth in this?

www.swissinfo.ch

Turns out, when you aren't constantly worried about economic ruin you end up being pretty stable. Switzerland has one of the lowest income disparities of any 1st world country.

 

[blackangst1]

Switzerland is a terrible example because it's a very tiny homogeneous nation but you did give the answer

Strict regulation.

But apparently God has only blessed America with unreasonable people in regards to guns

And training. You forgot that.

 

[Moonbeam]

One thing is clear. The people of the us and its politicians would rather wage war against each other over guns than fix the inequality here of wealth distribution here. Blame anything for violence but never ever blame that. I love imagining I am going to become a billionaire far more than I worry about getting shot so lets pretend the problem is guns or gun bans. The real cowards in America are the ones that deny realy by shifting the blame to something other.

 

[fskimospy]

Guns arent the problem. Irresponsible people with guns are.

This is true, but also irrelevant.

I think what you’re trying to say is that if everyone with a gun was responsible we wouldn’t have a gun problem but well, we know very clearly that’s not the case and that’s human nature.

So knowing people will never be responsible what’s the problem?

 

[Moonbeam]

And training. You forgot that.

The thing that keeps others save from my guns is that I don't want to shoot anybody and it's a bedrock moral principle I was born with. The only exception is imminent threat.

 

[ch33zw1z]

And training. You forgot that.

what training? The mandatory military service training?

 

[blackangst1]

This is true, but also irrelevant.

I think what you’re trying to say is that if everyone with a gun was responsible we wouldn’t have a gun problem but well, we know very clearly that’s not the case and that’s human nature.

So knowing people will never be responsible what’s the problem?

Ive long said it should be mandatory to have gun training to own a gun.

 

[fskimospy]

Ive long said it should be mandatory to have gun training to own a gun.

Training doesn’t mean much of anything though because gun deaths are (overwhelmingly) not from someone not knowing how to use a gun, it’s about them explicitly using the gun for its intended purpose.

 

[blackangst1]

what training? The mandatory military service training?

Gun owners who want to carry their weapon for "defensive purposes" also have to prove they can properly load, unload, and shoot their weapon and must pass a test to get a license.

Read the article.

 

[blackangst1]

Training doesn’t mean much of anything though because gun deaths are (overwhelmingly) not from someone not knowing how to use a gun, it’s about them explicitly using the gun for its intended purpose.

Then why do we have so many accidental shootings or 6 year olds who shoot their teachers?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Read the article.

link says can’t find the article.

by your description, they have to prove they can operate a killing machine?

Edit:

Owning a weapon in Switzerland

The Weapons Act governs who is allowed to own a weapon in Switzerland. Depending on the type of weapon, you will require a sales contract, a weapon acquisition permit or an exemption permit.

www.ch.ch

 

[Moonbeam]

This is true, but also irrelevant.

I think what you’re trying to say is that if everyone with a gun was responsible we wouldn’t have a gun problem but well, we know very clearly that’s not the case and that’s human nature.

So knowing people will never be responsible what’s the problem?

It is a range of expression among people who are fucked up. That does not make it human nature, it means it is a characteristic of the fucked up. Now what fucked them up and can that be fixed. I think I know and I think they can be fixed and especially prevented from developing those habits in the first place. Treating guns as a cause is part of the sickness. People do not want to know they are fucked up because it was done under tremendous amounts of emotional pain we do not want to relive ever again.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Then why do we have so many accidental shootings or 6 year olds who shoot their teachers?

suicides are majority of deaths, no accidental at all.

guns are very easy to operate, even a child can do it .

we call unintentional deaths accidents because they weren’t intentional, but a finger was still on the trigger.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Switzerland is a terrible example because it's a very tiny homogeneous nation but you did give the answer

Strict regulation.

But apparently God has only blessed America with unreasonable people in regards to guns

200 deaths a year, mostly suicides. We have 30,000, and I read it’s 4x per capita

 

[blackangst1]

suicides are majority of deaths, no accidental at all.

guns are very easy to operate, even a child can do it .

we call unintentional deaths accidents because they weren’t intentional, but a finger was still on the trigger.

Which is a training issue. Every basic training class for kids (and adults) includes "muzzle down, dont hold your finger on the trigger, and dont point at anything you dont want to kill.

 

[Moonbeam]

Training doesn’t mean much of anything though because gun deaths are (overwhelmingly) not from someone not knowing how to use a gun, it’s about them explicitly using the gun for its intended purpose.

We could pass a law that everybody has to wear mittens and trigger loops need to be finger six. That way the burden of gun control could be shared by folks who don't mind passing laws that don't inconvenience them. It could be done in the spirit of good will and for the sake of the children.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Which is a training issue. Every basic training class for kids (and adults) includes "muzzle down, dont hold your finger on the trigger, and dont point at anything you dont want to kill.

muscle memory starts early. So when will you want to ban children’s toys like water guns, cap guns, and so forth?

And how will you account for the majority of gun deaths being 100% intentional?

 

[vi edit]

Or we could look at how centuries of systemic racism that prevented any accumulation of wealth along with shit policing and justice policies lead to a life of gang violence.

Or how crippling medical debt and loss of pensions drives old white men to the woods with a gun.

Or how any lack of social safety nets leaves people on the streets with drugs as their only escape and people feeling like they need guns to protect themselves from the homeless.

Or how we have embraced a ammosexual culture bowing at the altar of our Lord and Savior "AR-15" as a means of making ourselves feel better for our short comings.

Or how our national leaders have dog whistled and gaslit people into insane acts of hatred and brutality.

Nope none of that. Gotta be more responsible. That'll fix it.

 

[Moonbeam]

suicides are majority of deaths, no accidental at all.

guns are very easy to operate, even a child can do it .

we call unintentional deaths accidents because they weren’t intentional, but a finger was still on the trigger.

Why do people kill themselves? Isn't that the clearest evidence of the presence of self hate you could ever imagine? Why do people hate themselves? Can self hate be cured? Can it be prevented or vastly ameliorated? If so wouldn't effort in that direction be worth far far more than just the prevention of suicide? But hey, I know, we're not supposed to open that can of worms. Who wants to know if we ever had any love at all it was conditional of behavior.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why do people kill themselves? Isn't that the clearest evidence of the presence of self hate you could ever imagine? Why do people hate themselves? Can self hate be cured? Can it be prevented or vastly ameliorated? If so wouldn't effort in that direction be worth far far more than just the prevention of suicide? But hey, I know, we're not supposed to open that can of worms. Who wants to know if we ever had any love at all it was conditional of behavior.

explain how you can legislate that

 

[Moonbeam]

muscle memory starts early. So when will you want to ban children’s toys like water guns, cap guns, and so forth?

And how will you account for the majority of gun deaths being 100% intentional?

And how will you know if you are capable of understanding the real answer if it were in fact the last think you want to know which it is.

 

[Moonbeam]

explain how you can legislate that

Real, enlightened progressive policies that collapse duality at a higher level of understanding. Conscious evolution.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Why do people kill themselves? Isn't that the clearest evidence of the presence of self hate you could ever imagine? Why do people hate themselves? Can self hate be cured? Can it be prevented or vastly ameliorated? If so wouldn't effort in that direction be worth far far more than just the prevention of suicide? But hey, I know, we're not supposed to open that can of worms. Who wants to know if we ever had any love at all it was conditional of behavior.

While we are at it why don't we make it so people can't die or take any damage at all. Make everyone immortal and indestructible. That will also fix the problem. As long as we are talking about fantasy solutions, I think mine should at least be considered.