Guns Are Number 1!

[Captante]

You can't understand this. Not your fault.

pretentious
Adjective

pre·ten·tious | \ pri-ˈten(t)-shəs \

Definition of pretentious

1: characterized by pretension: such as

a: making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing)the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture that is alien to him

b: expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature

 

[JulesMaximus]

When people have no answer to statistical evidence the most common answer is to claim statistics don’t count.

You have failed to convince me. I am keeping my guns and still oppose more gun legislation.

 

[Captante]

At that point the odds involved may not even approach that of smoking or driving your car without the belt, however, you see how not all gun owners is as responsible as you are right? So maybe it would be fair to prove that you are said level of responsible, license, whatever?

Not only that I STRONGLY suspect OTHER PEOPLE may well be aware that he has those valuable guns locked up in his house.

Nothing between him, his family and an armed robber breaking into his house (unaware they're in a safe) and attempting to steal said guns but AIR AND OPPOURTUNITY.

 

[fskimospy]

You have failed to convince me. I am keeping my guns and still oppose more gun legislation.

Okay, so let’s discuss why.

Do you accept the fact that gun ownership increases your odds of dying by both suicide and homicide?

 

[Captante]

You have failed to convince me. I am keeping my guns and still oppose more gun legislation.

Convince you of what exactly?

I said ZERO about gun-laws and I couldn't care less if per your "feelings" facts are "not convincing" to you. (ROTFL)

You and your guns are fine.... just STAY far away from me with your false sense of security. (I hope you and your family never learn the hard way how those statistics were compiled)

 

[Moonbeam]

I am looking at the whole picture - that’s the point. You are more likely to be the victim of homicide and suicide by owning a gun so if you’re owning one to protect yourself you are making a foolish decision. Don’t take my word for it, there is a large body of empirical research that establishes this.

Every gun owner is a responsible and law abiding citizen until they aren’t. There are plenty of dead people who viewed themselves just like you do.

I don't own guns to protect myself. That is a side potential. I have many guns by inheritance and only bought one someone who needed money years ago sold me, that is until recently, when, having time on my hands, I became curious about them again. For me they are masterpieces of artistic and engineering genius. Had I money to waste I would be a collector.

Lately, the AR 15 is in the news. It differs from the standard hunting rifle in Lego-like modularity. It offers an interesting challenge to people with a mechanical inclination and a desire to master detail and complexity as a form of entertainment.

The only statistic, as I said, that interests me in owning a gun is how likely it is for someone to successfully assault me armed as opposed to unarmed. I am not the slightest bit worried I would shoot somebody in a fit of temper, by accident, or that I would kill myself with one. The last time I thought seriously about suicide was before I woke up one night long ago realizing that everything I had ever hoped for had always been hidden deeply within me.

Sorry .... not running with "worthless" and I don't hate myself either. (even though I CAN be a real douchebag sometimes!)



Thanks for wishing me good luck though!



*(AND that's MR Douchebag thank you very much!)

I did mention, did I not, it would be the last thing you would ever want to know.

 

[Moonbeam]

[Verse 1]
No one knows what it's like
To be the bad man, to be the sad man
Behind blue eyes
No one knows what it's like
To be hated, to be fated
To telling only lies

[Chorus]
But my dreams, they aren't as empty
As my conscience seems to be
I have hours, only lonely
My love is vengeance that's never free

[Verse 2]
No one knows what it's like
To feel these feelings like I do
And I blame you
No one bites back as hard
On their anger, none of my pain and woe
Can show through

[Chorus]
But my dreams, they aren't as empty
As my conscience seems to be
I have hours, only lonely
My love is vengeance that's never free

[Bridge]
When my fist clenches, crack it open
Before I use it and lose my cool
When I smile, tell me some bad news
Before I laugh and act like a fool
And if I swallow anything evil
Put your finger down my throat
And if I shiver, please give me a blanket
Keep me warm, let me wear your coat

[Outro]
No one knows what it's like
To be the bad man, to be the sad man
Behind blue eyes

 

[Captante]

I did mention, did I not, it would be the last thing you would ever want to know.

Here is where you've failed to effectively communicate .... care to explain what exactly "IT" is in this case?



And just falling back on "you wouldn't understand" repeatedly in actuality means that YOU are the one incapable of explaining.

Remember if you can't explain it to a 5-year old, you don't actually understand "IT" yourself... this applies nicely here.


And this is my favorite from Who's Next.

The story behind The Who's Who's Next album artwork

How a rubbish dump in County Durham provided the backdrop to The Who's iconic album sleeve

 

[JulesMaximus]

Okay, so let’s discuss why.

Do you accept the fact that gun ownership increases your odds of dying by both suicide and homicide?

Not measurably, no.

 

[fskimospy]

Not measurably, no.

But it has literally been measured and is strongly statistically significant so this is not true.

Are you saying the research is wrong?

 

[Captante]

Not measurably, no.

You DO grasp that ANYTHING more then zero is "measurable" right?

I'm done with this "insightful" debate.

To be clear I sincerely hope your good luck holds out and nobody ever tries to steal those expensive guns you don't hesitate to announce to the world are inside your home.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sorry .... not running with "worthless" and I don't hate myself either.

Here is where you've failed to effectively communicate .... care to explain what exactly "IT" is in this case?

It is "not running with worthless and I don't hate myself either.", that is the last thing you want to know you do feel. Not your fault you don't know it. Not the slightest bit interested in whether you think this makes me pretentious. Wasn't me that made the truth sound pretentious when presented. It just happens to be a threat to our egos which we, out of our victim mentality, turn into something that sounds like an insult. That is only possible because we already feel insulted by believing we are the worst in the world. Why do you suppose that staring at people can be dangerous?

 

[Captante]

It is "not running with worthless and I don't hate myself either.", that is the last thing you want to know you do feel. Not your fault you don't know it. Not the slightest bit interested in whether you think this makes me pretentious. Wasn't me that made the truth sound pretentious when presented. It just happens to be a threat to our egos which we, out of our victim mentality, turn into something that sounds like an insult. That is only possible because we already feel insulted by believing we are the worst in the world. Why do you suppose that staring at people can be dangerous?

I'm just trying to understand what you mean not make you feel bad, however you implying that the only reason "other people don't understand" is because they're incapable of it is the very definition of pretentious.

Unlike most here I'm giving you the benefit of a doubt that you MIGHT actually have a point other then "being right".

Am I wasting my time? (stop patting yourself on the back and give me a straight answer)




I think you need to consider the very real possibility... just for a moment... that you COULD be the one who is confused.... I still have zero clue what you're getting at with "IT".

 

[fskimospy]

It is "not running with worthless and I don't hate myself either.", that is the last thing you want to know you do feel. Not your fault you don't know it. Not the slightest bit interested in whether you think this makes me pretentious. Wasn't me that made the truth sound pretentious when presented. It just happens to be a threat to our egos which we, out of our victim mentality, turn into something that sounds like an insult. That is only possible because we already feel insulted by believing we are the worst in the world. Why do you suppose that staring at people can be dangerous?

‘If you disagree with me it’s only your own failures to blame’

‘no, I’m not pretentious’

 

[JulesMaximus]

But it has literally been measured and is strongly statistically significant so this is not true.

Are you saying the research is wrong?

Strongly significant? If I am at low risk of suicide, and I am, owning a gun isn’t going to change that at all… unless you are arguing that guns are a depressant.

 

[fskimospy]

Strongly significant? If I am at low risk of suicide, and I am, owning a gun isn’t going to change that at all… unless you are arguing that guns are a depressant.

Do you agree that gun ownership is a statistically significant risk factor for death by suicide or homicide? Yes or no?

 

[Captante]

Do you agree that gun ownership is a statistically significant risk factor for death by suicide or homicide? Yes or no?

Thought you might need a little practical assistance!

*(it's as likely to yield positive results as continued posting in this thread on-topic although I STRONGLY suggest printing it out before any actual head-banging to avoid significant monitor-damage!)


Here is a simple explanation of the logic-skills at play here:

THAT was NEVER 5 minutes!

 

[IronWing]

pretentious
Adjective

pre·ten·tious | \ pri-ˈten(t)-shəs \

Definition of pretentious

1: characterized by pretension: such as

a: making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing)the pretentious fraud who assumes a love of culture that is alien to him

b: expressive of affected, unwarranted, or exaggerated importance, worth, or stature

In this case, he's been proven correct.

 

[Captante]

In this case, he's been proven correct.

It's just that far as I can tell we've yet to actually establish exactly WHAT the "case" is! (aside from extremely disturbed/confused)



Seriously if you can make those moonbeam-posts appear logical I'll be the first to reach right into this sub-forum and shake your hand!

 

[Bitek]

Strongly significant? If I am at low risk of suicide, and I am, owning a gun isn’t going to change that at all… unless you are arguing that guns are a depressant.

I'm depressed when ammo prices are high and it's too expensive to go shooting.

 

[fskimospy]

Thought you might need a little practical assistance!

*(it's as likely to yield positive results as continued posting in this thread on-topic although I STRONGLY suggest printing it out before any actual head-banging to avoid significant monitor-damage!)


Here is a simple explanation of the logic-skills at play here:

THAT was NEVER 5 minutes!

Trust me, you don’t have to save me from myself.

 

[Bitek]

Yup, you don't want to shoot it out of a 30 caliber gun that isn't for Russian rounds. You can buy American made Russian rifles even one that is California legal but I am not a fan of featureless. I am studying how what parts to buy for my AR15 full feature build while remaining legal. That requires a max ten round fixed magazine that can legally be changed quickly. Personally, I hope the SC rules that California law unconstitutional. No matter what fire rate I could achieve I have no intention or desire to shoot anybody. Such an act would be the height of immorality and violate all norms on which one can ever have any self respect.

Gotta say, would not have picked you out as on this side of the issue.

Happy building

 

[Captante]

I'm depressed when ammo prices are high and it's too expensive to go shooting.

To be clear IMO there's nothing wrong with legally owning a gun that you handle responsibly and are properly trained to use. (guns are tools)

However arguing against accurate stats that show how likely you are to have your own gun taken away and used against you when they are based on fact because they are worrisome to you just makes anyone doing so appear to be stupid.

It's sorta like how if you drive your car a lot of miles your more likely to die in a car-accident NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU DRIVE. It's not rocket-science to figure this out.

If it were me I'd prefer to be aware of the risks rather then pretend they don't exist.

Trust me, you don’t have to save me from myself.

Do feel free to carry on!

 

[Bitek]

My father used a 308 and my brother a 30-06 for hunting back in the 70's. I had a lowly 32 special.

If you want to see something crazy, Kentucky Ballistics blew up two 50 cal guns - The Barrett was intentional.

Yeah, dude is lucky to be alive.

IDK if you saw the video of the 700 nitro vs ballistics gel zombie torso. OMG lololol

 

[Bitek]

To be clear IMO there's nothing wrong with legally owning a gun that you handle responsibly and are properly trained to use.

However arguing against accurate stats that show how likely you are to have your own gun taken away and used against you when they are based on fact because they are worrisome to you just makes anyone doing so appear to be stupid.

Sorta like how if you drive your car a lot of miles your more likely to die in a car-accident. It's not rocket-science to figure this out.

If it were me I'd prefer to be aware of the risks.

I'm not a carry dude because they seem of limited value unless if you are highly trained to use it, and from what I have seen at the range, plenty of people with carry guns struggling to put decent groupings on paper at even 5-7 yds.
IDK how they expect it to go if they got into an actual gunfight.

Better off figuring out how to avoid danger than diluting yourself you will conquer it.