Gunman with automatic rifle shooting in the Netherlands

[wuliheron]

To semi-quote Penn and Teller, "Please show me where else in the Constitution the founding fathers fucked up the wording?"

Hint: Your point fails because it is based on a modern day interpretation and usage of the word "Arms" vs what the distinction of the word "arms" vs "ordnance" in the era of the signing of the Constitution.

So now you're an expert on etymology and constitutional law. Sorry, I don't buy it without proof.

 

[alkemyst]

The whole ordinance vs arms is more or less a creation to limit what was intended to be allowed.

Many of the wealthy land owners had cannons.

 

[Tom]

Cool. That doesn't have anything to do with my post though.

Actually it's completely relevant. You say liberals react in an improper way, I guess you mean they want to ban guns or something like that.

And I'm saying that's wrong, what liberals favor is identifying and treating people with mental health issues.

And spending more money to keep unstable people from getting guns.

 

[ElFenix]

You can't give away constitutional rights son. Someone has to take them from you.

i'm not your son, friend.

[since everyone else has explained that the constitutional right to small arms doesn't extend to artillery]

 

[wuliheron]

i'm not your son, friend.

How do you know? I'm pretty popular with the ladies.

[since everyone else has explained that the constitutional right to small arms doesn't extend to artillery]

A constitution interpreted by popular debate is an oxymoron. The whole point is the constitution protects minorities. The majority can and will take care of themselves.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Dunno but in my country no one may in possession of a automatic assault rifle unless your in the Military or in the Police Service. The private sector do have assault rifles but its not automatic. Automatic clip has been removed. So its single shot.

 

[schneiderguy]

Dunno but in my country no one may in possession of a automatic assault rifle unless your in the Military or in the Police Service. The private sector do have assault rifles but its not automatic. Automatic clip has been removed. So its single shot.

Assault rifles by definition are capable of automatic fire.

Semi automatic rifles cannot be assault rifles, something that the media and government doesn't understand very well.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Gun control is stupid because then people will just use knives. People are more than 2x as likely to be stabbed in the United Kingdom as they are to be shot in the United States.

Also, a lot of the people getting shot here are gang members against other gang members.

You forgot to mention reality :
People may get stabbed often but also the chance of survival is greater.
If a person stabs you, the chance is more likely that you will survive then when you get shot. Of course it all depends on the stabbing weapons used when compared with the bullets used and the type of gun used.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Assault rifles by definition are capable of automatic fire.

Semi automatic rifles cannot be assault rifles, something that the media and government doesn't understand very well.

LM5, the semi-automatic version of the R5 Assault Rifle

R5 carbine

 

[DucatiMonster696]

So now you're an expert on etymology and constitutional law. Sorry, I don't buy it without proof.

I'd don't have to be an expert when discussing a commonly held and factual point that is held by Constitutional experts on both sides of the debate of whom both sides agree on the actual usage and definition of the word "arms" when discussing the 2nd amendment in the Constitution, ie "Arms" /= "Ordnance". Your straw man implication that the 2nd Amendment somehow allows individuals to own ordnance such as nukes is just that a straw man.

 

[alkemyst]

Unfortunately the terms ordnance never was mentioned and the constitution did a good job of explaining limitations. The ordnance part is a modern invention...I am willing to bet most of those defending that believe God is part of the constitution as well.

 

[wuliheron]

Unfortunately the terms ordnance never was mentioned and the constitution did a good job of explaining limitations. The ordnance part is a modern invention...I am willing to bet most of those defending that believe God is part of the constitution as well.

Damn straight Skippy. I don't need a bunch of mealy mouthed lawyers to give me their modern interpretations of the Bible either. White man speaks with forked tongue and always will, but lawyers speak it right out their ass as well.

 

[William Gaatjes]

The story unravels slowly.

The responsible department of the police giving of licenses for guns to Tristan van der V, had no integrity check. It was a 2 officer post where several corruption scandals have taken place in the recent decade. I assume myself because of cut backs, there is no repetitive audit system. Completely assuming responsibility and honest behavior of government officials by government officials. Normally there are no issues but government officials and police officers are human too with humans flaws. Most will give their lives for an honest country and to protect innocent people but exceptions to the rule always exist. For what ever reason that may be. Again proof that redundancy is the key to solving common problems.

And according to the news : Recent mental illness is a reason to deny a gun license in the Netherlands. This reason to deny was already existing but apparently not applied.

1# Thus we have a person with severe mental illness that could be a danger to himself and others while not willing to cope with it ( Hence the voluntary use of weapons by himself while knowing his own state of mind).
2# A failed police department.



As a side note :
Redundancy is the key to preventing and solving common problems.
Judging that everyone is evil or some people are evil from the start is a failure that will cause hate and separation(Roman Catholic ? Islam ?). Assuming people can make mistakes is accepting life in all ways.